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  • AUTiger1
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    • Oct 2008
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    #181
    Re: 2012 Atlanta Braves thread

    Originally posted by DonkeyJote
    Sure it could have. Tommy could've gotten lit up. Let's be real here, it's not like they were facing some scrub 5th starter. Dude's a 2-time Cy Young winner. That Johan guy, he's pretty good, and he had the emotion of it being his first start back going for him.
    How do you feel now? Our starters still can't make it past the 6th inning, JJ didn't even make it past the 5th inning and the Braves still can't score. 7 straight regular season losses while scoring a total of 9 runs.
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    • DonkeyJote
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      • Jul 2003
      • 9194

      #182
      Originally posted by AUTiger1
      How do you feel now? Our starters still can't make it past the 6th inning, JJ didn't even make it past the 5th inning and the Braves still can't score. 7 straight regular season losses while scoring a total of 9 runs.
      It's been two games! Oh, and btw, this team is starting the season without their best hitter and best pitcher. It's not like the Mets are scoring much either. Relax. Losing two games on the road to your principle rival while missing your #1 starter and #3 hitter isn't the end of the world.

      Seriously, what's with the sky is falling attitude in here? Did everyone forget that until injuries and fatigue set in last Sept, this was the second best team in the NL? Or the year before when if either Prado or Chipper don't get hurt at the end, they probably beat the team that went on to win the World Series? This team has way too much talent to not win. Just because they've lost two games doesn't mean they're a terrible team. They'll be fine. Baseball is a sport of patience. Show some.

      As far as pitchers not going deep, it's early in the year, and Hanson and JJ are both young and coming off injuries. Tommy only threw 83 pitches yesterday. I'm actually pretty pleased with that. He was much more economical than he has been. They're just stretching them out slowly (to avoid the fatigue later).

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      • Sportsforever
        NL MVP
        • Mar 2005
        • 20368

        #183
        Re: 2012 Atlanta Braves thread

        Tell me again Mike Minor why you deserve to have anything handed to you?
        "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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        • p_rushing
          Hall Of Fame
          • Feb 2004
          • 14514

          #184
          Re: 2012 Atlanta Braves thread

          Originally posted by Sportsforever
          Tell me again Mike Minor why you deserve to have anything handed to you?
          He actually didn't pitch that bad. He shouldn't have been out there in the 6th though and that cost him. They needed to get the bullpen some rest, so they sent him back out there.

          The bullpen is the same as last year, they don't shut down teams if they don't have the lead. They end up giving up a few runs that end up costing the Braves a chance to tie it. The offense again gets down and then scores some meaningless runs to make it look closer.


          I was right with the 3 hits. On to Houston and their 2 lefties, 0-6 or 1-5 is looking like a possibility.

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          • KSUowls
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            • Jul 2009
            • 5894

            #185
            Re: 2012 Atlanta Braves thread

            Originally posted by DonkeyJote
            It's been two games! Oh, and btw, this team is starting the season without their best hitter and best pitcher. It's not like the Mets are scoring much either. Relax. Losing two games on the road to your principle rival while missing your #1 starter and #3 hitter isn't the end of the world.

            Seriously, what's with the sky is falling attitude in here? Did everyone forget that until injuries and fatigue set in last Sept, this was the second best team in the NL? Or the year before when if either Prado or Chipper don't get hurt at the end, they probably beat the team that went on to win the World Series? This team has way too much talent to not win. Just because they've lost two games doesn't mean they're a terrible team. They'll be fine. Baseball is a sport of patience. Show some.

            As far as pitchers not going deep, it's early in the year, and Hanson and JJ are both young and coming off injuries. Tommy only threw 83 pitches yesterday. I'm actually pretty pleased with that. He was much more economical than he has been. They're just stretching them out slowly (to avoid the fatigue later).

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            This 100%

            We are 3 games into the season. Last year the Red Sox started the season 2-10 and it took an even worse end of season collapse than the Braves had for them to not make the playoffs. It's April 8th, the season isn't over until October 3rd. Lets start worrying if it's June and the team still looks like this.

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            • DonkeyJote
              All Star
              • Jul 2003
              • 9194

              #186
              Re: 2012 Atlanta Braves thread

              Last year the Braves started 8-12, and it still took a historic collapse to not make the playoffs. The year before they started 8-14 and still made the playoffs. And, oh yeah, there's an extra playoff spot this year.

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              • Sportsforever
                NL MVP
                • Mar 2005
                • 20368

                #187
                Re: 2012 Atlanta Braves thread

                Not how I expected to start the year, but let's remember it's a 162 game season...this isn't the NFL. I think we'll be fine, but it would be nice to get the monkey off our back and win one.

                My only disappointment so far is the hitters just look awful so far...and it's not from a production stand point so much as an approach stand point. Not a lot of patience...ever since TP was removed as hitting coach our guys have not taken a good approach at the plate. Hopefully it's a small sample size, but I'd like to see some better pitch selection.
                "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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                • p_rushing
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 14514

                  #188
                  It's not that the season is already over, it is that nothing has changed from last year. The same exact problems exist today that caused the collapse. Hopefully they find a way to fix it, it not it will be similar to last year. They may make the playoffs, but they won't be good enough to go far.

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                  Last edited by p_rushing; 04-09-2012, 07:02 AM.

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                  • aukevin
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                    • Dec 2002
                    • 14700

                    #189
                    Originally posted by p_rushing
                    It's not that the season is already over, it is that nothing has changed from last year. The same exact problems exist today that caused the collapse. Hopefully they find a way to fix it, it not it will be similar to last year. They may make the playoffs, but they won't be good enough to go far.

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                    I'm shocked at that result since the Braves made so many changes over the offseason.

                    I did read on twitter though that the last time the Braves lost the first 3 was in 2005 when they won 101 games. So there is hope.

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                    • DonkeyJote
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                      • Jul 2003
                      • 9194

                      #190
                      Re: 2012 Atlanta Braves thread

                      There's plenty of hope. This is a team that has traditionally started very slow. It's early. It is not uncommon for guys to start slowly offensively, especially on the road in a pitchers park. McCann is only hitting .091. Does anyone really expect that to not go WAY up? Everyone had a bad series. And despite that, they still lost by a combined 5 runs. The pitching, aside from your #5 starter, has been great. And, oh yeah, this team is missing their best hitter who could be back this week, and they're number 1 starter, who will likely be back by the end of the month. The Braves have always struggled against Johan Santana. Why would that change? Dickey is a knuckleballer, and on a given day, those guys can be unhittable if they're on. They only got two hits of Niese, but they walked 4 times and scored 3 runs. That's not too shabby.

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                      • DonkeyJote
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                        • Jul 2003
                        • 9194

                        #191
                        Re: 2012 Atlanta Braves thread

                        Chipper to be activated tomorrow.

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                        HOUSTON -- It appears Braves third baseman Chipper Jones will end up missing just the first four games of the season.

                        While taking swings from both sides of the plate and fielding grounders at Minute Maid Park on Monday afternoon, Jones accomplished his goal to persuade the Braves to activate him from the disabled list before Friday's home opener against the Brewers.

                        Barring any setbacks, Jones will be activated in time to start Tuesday night's game against the Astros at third base. He has made steady progress since undergoing arthroscopic surgery on March 26 to repair a torn meniscus in his left knee.

                        "While I've had some sore days along the way, today I feel great," Jones said. "I did what I had to today to prove I can go out there [Tuesday]." Given that Jones recorded just 25 at-bats in the exhibition season, the Braves initially thought Jones would play at least one Minor League rehab game before returning. The only live pitching he has faced since March 20 came courtesy of a short batting practice session against Randall Delgado on Friday.

                        Jones' activity on Monday was limited to regular batting practice and the fielding of some ground balls.

                        "He feels like he doesn't need to go out and have a rehab assignment," manager Fredi Gonzalez said. "He feels like he's fine. He's a guy with [10,166] plate appearances, you've got to take his word for it."

                        Jones played two Minor League rehab games after he underwent the same surgery on his right knee last year, then pulled his right quadriceps muscle in his first game back in the Atlanta lineup. He was activated from the disabled list 16 days after undergoing that surgical procedure.

                        After taking swings against Delgado on Friday, Jones said that he was still trying to regain his timing to hit fastballs. While a rehab assignment would allow him to see live pitching, he does not believe it would be any more beneficial than regaining his timing while facing big league pitching.

                        "I would have gone down for a couple at-bats," Jones said. "I just thought it was a waste of time because six at-bats in the Minors isn't going to help me be on 95 [mph pitches] when I get back up here. So might as well throw me back in the fire."

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                        • TheMatrix31
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                          • Jul 2002
                          • 52927

                          #192
                          Re: 2012 Atlanta Braves thread

                          Good. I don't want to see Juan Francisco anymore. Not after tonight.

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                          • Sportsforever
                            NL MVP
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 20368

                            #193
                            Re: 2012 Atlanta Braves thread

                            Didn't see tonight's game, but we'll be reaching panic time soon if these guys don't snap out of it. Yes, it's a long season, but good teams don't start like this often.

                            Can we get a starter to go more than 5 innings just once?
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                            • DonkeyJote
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                              • Jul 2003
                              • 9194

                              #194
                              Re: 2012 Atlanta Braves thread

                              Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                              Good. I don't want to see Juan Francisco anymore. Not after tonight.
                              Yeah, his defense is a giant liability. 3 errors? In half a game? Seriously? If that doesn't happen, the Braves probably win.

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                              • p_rushing
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 14514

                                #195
                                Can the Braves please end the mistake they made with Hernandez?

                                Uggla is once again terrible to start the year, maybe he should start the year in Jan. so he his ready by April.

                                5 innings again, it would have been longer if the defense hadn't made those errors. The starters haven't been bad, they just can't get past the 5th.

                                I'm glad Chipper is coming back, but I wouldn't count on him. This team needs a lot more than the best Chipper can give.

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