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  • AC
    Win the East
    • Sep 2010
    • 14951

    #106
    Re: 2014 Blue Jays

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    • bhurst99
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      • Aug 2003
      • 9137

      #107
      Re: 2014 Blue Jays

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      • SPTO
        binging
        • Feb 2003
        • 68046

        #108
        Re: 2014 Blue Jays

        Well at least Reyes is making a statement.....with his mouth.

        Jays play is "not acceptable"
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        • AC
          Win the East
          • Sep 2010
          • 14951

          #109
          Re: 2014 Blue Jays

          #ZaidiForGM

          This is getting painful.
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          • tinpanalley
            MVP
            • Apr 2006
            • 3401

            #110
            Re: 2014 Blue Jays

            Originally posted by bhurst99
            It's clear I'm the problem with the 2014 Jays. They're now 1-4 when I'm in attendance.
            I feel like I should do something good for the community and just not go to games anymore.
            When I moved from Toronto to New York in 2004, so during the strike, the Leafs began their run of never coming close to making the playoffs. And every single Rangers game I went to against the Leafs and even the one Devils game I got to were all miserable losses. My friends asked me to stop going to Leafs games in NY. Sadly, the same thing happened with the Jays. Except for ONE time when they crushed the Yankees and the game was technically over by the 6th inning. Being a MASSIVE Yankees non-fan (the forum removed the other word I had), it was amazingly enjoyable watching them all filing out of the stadium at the end of the 7th. But that game represented my ONE experience watching my Toronto teams do well in NY.

            Two years ago I moved to Paris. Leafs made the playoffs in the shortened season. Of course I don't believe in superstition in any way shape or form, but what an unfortunate coincidence. Of course, the Jays seem to have improved on paper and somehow remained just as bad, if not worse.
            Last edited by tinpanalley; 05-01-2014, 09:21 AM.

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            • bhurst99
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              • Aug 2003
              • 9137

              #111
              Re: 2014 Blue Jays

              Originally posted by SPTO
              Well at least Reyes is making a statement.....with his mouth.

              Jays play is "not acceptable"
              From the department of likely meaningless stats that upset me:

              Jays record with Reyes in the line-up:

              2014: 3-8 (.272 winning percentage) (Jays are 12-15, .444)
              2013: 39-54 (.419) (Jays were 74-88, .457) (also means the Jays were 35-31 without him)

              Can't blame him for all the bad pitching around him. He's certainly better than any other option we have a short. But the win-loss record still disturbs me.
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              • tinpanalley
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                • Apr 2006
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                #112
                Re: 2014 Blue Jays

                Originally posted by bhurst99
                Can't blame him for all the bad pitching around him. He's certainly better than any other option we have a short. But the win-loss record still disturbs me.
                What shocks me more (not as much as the pitching of course) is the constant attention paid to Goins and Diaz who on any other time wouldn't even make the starting lineup on a AAA team. Kawasaki is seasoned, he's a boost of morale, and he's at LEAST a better hitter than the other two. He can play second better than both.
                I don't think this is a "let's see how we can arrange this pitching staff to make it work" situation. It doesn't work. Period. There is no bullpen. No matter how many guys you put in there, it is a non-existent bullpen. Rogers, Happ, Jenkins, Santos, and Jeffress. They're all useless. These guys aren't promosing guys who we have to give a chance to. They're all useless. Santos, maybe, has a chance of being reliable. Basically, if there isn't a four run lead, we have nothing to hold a lead from the 6th inning or so to the 9th.
                Even among starters, personally, for me Dickey had to go 4-0 in April to be promised a spot in the rotation. He was unacceptable last year. And I'm sick of hearing about what he did once the Jays were out of it. He doesn't make the rotation on any other team except maybe the Astros. If this were ANY other guy, he'd be cut. Again, Jays valuing players on what they've DONE not what they're DOING. I also think Hutchison and Morrow are killing the Jays.
                This team, as it stands, doesn't make the playoffs. They can't expect the other teams in the East to keep playing this poorly forever. Eventually they'll run away from us. I think firing people in the head office doesn't help. The Jays aren't playing like crap cause of Gibbons. He's doing the best he can with what he's got. It's Anthopolous that has to get out there and find a better team. NOW is the time to get rid of what doesn't work. Not August. I'd also package off any combination of Lind, Goins, those pitchers I mentioned, and see what's out there.
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                • SPTO
                  binging
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 68046

                  #113
                  Re: 2014 Blue Jays

                  ...and the hits keep on coming.

                  Tolleson and Gose called up, Diaz demoted to AAA and Sierra has been DFA'ed.
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                  • speels
                    Pro
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 781

                    #114
                    Re: 2014 Blue Jays

                    It's good to see Gose up. I know he doesn't hit that well, but at least we have some speed on the bench and Bautista won't have play Centre when Rasmus gets injured.

                    On the Goins thing, I like him. The only reason he was sent down was because Rasmus, Reyes, and Lawrie are all batting below .200 and he really was the only one they could send down of those 3. If all of those guys are batting .250 or higher, his low average means a lot less and he is there. I have watched him play and he is the best defensive second baseman we have had since O-Dog, who is only behind Alomar.

                    We need a new pitching coach. How you can get rid of your hitting coach and not your pitching coach after the 2013 season we had blows me away. We need a coach that will get these pitchers throwing strike. Our bullpen sucks, and our starters are washed up already, except Hutch and Buehrle started the year fine, but we will see how his next games go.

                    The hitting is there and you can see it, but all of a sudden we have forgotten how to hit with RISP. Put the bat on the ball and forget about hitting home runs!! Also, if the ump calls it a strike, it is a STRIKE!!!! Adjust for cryng out loud, you are a professional ball player!!!!!!!!!!!

                    Also, I don't like Gibbons, so this is my opinion, but it's time to let him go. He can't get these guys fired up and he needs to right now. People will say, "you shouldn't need someone to get you going if you are a major league ball player" and I agree, but a good manager can make an average team great. Look at the Avalanche in hockey, they had the first pick in the draft last year, added one player (their draft pick), and were top of their division this year. Good coaches win.

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                    • AC
                      Win the East
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 14951

                      #115
                      Re: 2014 Blue Jays

                      Sierra DFA'd.

                      Today is a good day.
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                      • SPTO
                        binging
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 68046

                        #116
                        Re: 2014 Blue Jays

                        Originally posted by speels

                        Also, I don't like Gibbons, so this is my opinion, but it's time to let him go. He can't get these guys fired up and he needs to right now. People will say, "you shouldn't need someone to get you going if you are a major league ball player" and I agree, but a good manager can make an average team great. Look at the Avalanche in hockey, they had the first pick in the draft last year, added one player (their draft pick), and were top of their division this year. Good coaches win.
                        You hit the nail on the head here, Gibbons gives off this way too easy going vibe and it's extended to the clubhouse. I remember just before this season started Stephen Brunch mentioned how Gibbons fostered a country club atmosphere last year that wasn't conducive to winning baseball with the new personnel they acquired. I also think that Gibbons' pitcher usage leaves a lot to be desired with his over reliance on the bullpen even when sometimes he doesn't need to go the pen.

                        I really believe the Jays messed out in not promoting Butterfield, here's a guy who is one of the most highly touted 3B coaches and fielding instructors who actually WNATED to stay in Toronto but when no interview was forthcoming he jumped ship with Farrell to Boston. The Jays need either a seasoned manager who is a little rough around the edges or a guy who's recently retired who has a strong mind for the game. It also seems to me that since JP Ricciardi the Blue Jays have increasingly gone in favor of managers who can easily be made out to be puppets. The GMs have obviously more say than we're led to believe by the press.
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                        • AC
                          Win the East
                          • Sep 2010
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                          #117
                          Re: 2014 Blue Jays

                          6 man rotation. Happ in.
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                          • Bluejaysfan65
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                            • Jun 2011
                            • 4784

                            #118
                            Re: 2014 Blue Jays

                            Originally posted by ACMilan99
                            6 man rotation. Happ in.

                            Oh boy....
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                            • bhurst99
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                              • Aug 2003
                              • 9137

                              #119
                              Re: 2014 Blue Jays

                              Originally posted by ACMilan99
                              6 man rotation. Happ in.
                              Dumb, dumb, dumb move. What's the benefit of throwing Happ in there.

                              The rotation was actually pretty good in Kansas City.

                              Nice to see Gose get as many hits in one game as Sierra had all season.
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                              • SPTO
                                binging
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 68046

                                #120
                                Re: 2014 Blue Jays

                                Originally posted by ACMilan99
                                6 man rotation. Happ in.
                                A bit late but....WTF is Gibbons doing?! The way Happ pitches and the way Gibbons uses the bullpen....This defies all logic.

                                If there's a God in Heaven please have Gibbons out of the Job by mid May....PLEEEEEASE!
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