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  • DonkeyJote
    All Star
    • Jul 2003
    • 9187

    #466
    Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

    He's not like other 30 year old players. As far as having not played in the majors yet, I don't have any doubt he'll do well; recent Cuban signees have been able to have success quickly, which points to Cuban pitching being much better than it used to be. He's played roughly half of the games as a typical 30 year old American because Cuban seasons are short. He's also under team control and cheap. You don't normally sign 30 year old players because they're more expensive. If the dude can put up an .850 ops at $6 mil, that's an absolute steal. The plan is to compete in 2017, and he'll still just be 32. It's reasonable he won't be in decline yet at that point. I'd rather move Wood now and bet on Wisler/Banuelos/Folty being up there with Julio and Miller than trade one of those younger guys.

    As far as Peraza, he was our top prospect, but that's not saying much. He'll probably be a good player; .350 obp, albeit with no power, but fantastic speed and plus defense. But, as far as top prospects go, he's not that great. In baseball America's midseason top prospects, Peraza was 26, Olivera was 16. Peraza obviously has more career ahead of him, but Olivera has a MUCH higher ceiling and floor.

    As far as Bird, we'll see. He was 15th for the Dodgers, we'll see where that puts him here. They have a better farm system than us; the Dodgers had 4 of the top 20 at midseason and Peraza is probably their 4th best prospect now.

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    Last edited by DonkeyJote; 07-31-2015, 02:59 PM.

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    • aukevin
      War Eagle, Go Braves!
      • Dec 2002
      • 14700

      #467
      Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

      I hope ATL gets Olivera in the big league lineup as soon possible after just a couple of his rehab assignments. Need to see something moving forward with this team to get the fans off the ledge.

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      • DonkeyJote
        All Star
        • Jul 2003
        • 9187

        #468
        Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

        I'm hoping so too. From the looks of it, I don't see any benefit to keeping him in Triple A.

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        • LowerWolf
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jun 2006
          • 12269

          #469
          Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

          I'm excited to see him play. I want to see just how good he is. There's no reason to keep him in AAA.

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          • Speedy
            #Ace
            • Apr 2008
            • 16143

            #470
            Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

            Originally posted by LowerWolf
            I'm excited to see him play. I want to see just how good he is. There's no reason to keep him in AAA.
            Did El Duque ever spend time in the minors?
            Originally posted by Gibson88
            Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
            It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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            • LowerWolf
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jun 2006
              • 12269

              #471
              Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

              Originally posted by Speedy
              Did El Duque ever spend time in the minors?
              Yeah, nine starts (2 in A+, 7 in AAA) before being called up, according to Baseball Reference.

              Cespedes spent three games in AAA before the A's called him up.

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              • DonkeyJote
                All Star
                • Jul 2003
                • 9187

                #472
                Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                I'm thinking he was only in the minors for LA because he hadn't played in a while and missed spring training working on his visa.

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                • Sportsforever
                  NL MVP
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 20368

                  #473
                  Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                  Hart said the plan is to have him do a 10-day rehab and be in the big league lineup by mid-August.

                  On another note...how bad are we playing right now!? It's like watching the last 6-weeks from last year all over. Is this really us? I can't believe we're this bad...
                  "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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                  • Speedy
                    #Ace
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 16143

                    #474
                    Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                    Originally posted by Sportsforever
                    On another note...how bad are we playing right now!? It's like watching the last 6-weeks from last year all over. Is this really us? I can't believe we're this bad...
                    I can't even watch, man. I tried last night, saw we were down 4-0 again and turned it off.

                    I'm also surprised we kept Cameron Maybin...I felt for sure he'd be gone. Amazing that both Maybin and JUp stayed where they are after the deadline.
                    Originally posted by Gibson88
                    Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
                    It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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                    • decga
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 2469

                      #475
                      Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                      Yeah our team is struggling big time right now. In Fredi G before getting his contract extending to next year. His post-game interviews were very upbeat, by after the extension he's back to same old Fredi.

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                      • KSUowls
                        All Star
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 5891

                        #476
                        Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                        He may not be like other 30 year old players who have never played in the bigs, but even assuming this team is set for 2016 he will already be 31 by then. More realistically, if this team is aiming for 2017 he will be 32. That isn't quite over the hill, but my issue is did we just give up a bunch of young talent for what would seem to work out like a veteran for 1-2 years. By that I mean, if we accept that this team is not going to be truly competitive until 2017 then he will be at an advanced age to expect sustained productivity. This was a move that would have made sense for a team who believed they were one player away from competing either this year or next. It does not make sense for a team that is still probably 2 years out.

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                        • DonkeyJote
                          All Star
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 9187

                          #477
                          Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                          See, I just don't see 32 as that advanced. I know we got burned with Uggla, but still. 6 of the top 10 are in their 30s (5 of those older than Olivera will be at the beginning of 2017). Olivera will be younger then than Wright is now. I don't see any reason he can't be a productive player, even an all star, for the life of his contract.

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                          • LowerWolf
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jun 2006
                            • 12269

                            #478
                            Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                            Originally posted by DonkeyJote
                            See, I just don't see 32 as that advanced. I know we got burned with Uggla, but still. 6 of the top 10 are in their 30s (5 of those older than Olivera will be at the beginning of 2017). Olivera will be younger then than Wright is now. I don't see any reason he can't be a productive player, even an all star, for the life of his contract.

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                            Agreed. We're talking about MLB players, not NFL running backs.

                            Sure, I wish he was younger. But at 30, he's not ancient.

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                            • TheMatrix31
                              RF
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 52920

                              #479
                              Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                              This team is atrocious now. Yikes. Losing Freeman for so long really put the kibosh on everything.

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                              • LowerWolf
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Jun 2006
                                • 12269

                                #480
                                Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                                So Freddie is out for awhile again ...

                                Maybe Chris Johnson will play well enough (he hit some balls hard last night) that we'll get somebody to take his contract in a waiver deal.

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