Official Cincinnati Reds Thread

[jake44np]

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You know the last time the Reds made a managerial decision without interviewing anyone? It was Bryan Price, which turned out spectacularly.
Riggleman is going a good, not great job with a talented team that got healthy and started hitting. He still manages like it's 1995. He's basically on his last chance after essentially being black balled after his stunt in Washington.
There is nothing that says the Reds should hire him now without interviewing anyone. That would be repeating the same mistakes the Reds have made so many times in their past.

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Again I totally disagree.
Who would you suggest that they interview what you would seriously want to hire?
And don't say Girardi, he is not coming to Cincy to manage?
Larkin?
NO THANKS! No experience at all.
They have a good thing going, why mess it up?

Per Joey Votto.
On interim manager Jim Riggleman: “He’s on top of us. He expects us to play a certain way. He challenges us. I think he brings a good energy to us during the game, after the game. He listens well. He’s really done a very good job.”

That's all I need to hear coming from Votto.

And he has not been black balled at all.
St Louis has already said they want to interview him after the season.

[CaseIH]

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You know the last time the Reds made a managerial decision without interviewing anyone? It was Bryan Price, which turned out spectacularly.
Riggleman is going a good, not great job with a talented team that got healthy and started hitting. He still manages like it's 1995. He's basically on his last chance after essentially being black balled after his stunt in Washington.
There is nothing that says the Reds should hire him now without interviewing anyone. That would be repeating the same mistakes the Reds have made so many times in their past.

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I understand where your coming from, but Price didnt have any experience as a manager, where as Riggleman has experience, so big difference between the 2 guys.


While Riggleman is a more old school manager, and there is nothing wrong with that either by the way, but he is by no means Dusty Baker when it comes to being set in his ways.

After all Riggleman hits Tucker in the 2 hole, due to him being one of the better guys at getting on base. Thats more of a new school way of thinking.


Riggleman seems to mix both old school with some new school approach to his managing. He also dont concern himself with ticking a player off either, like earlier this season PH'ing for Billy in the 9th inning of a game, to pulling a pitcher quickly at times.



Im not saying give him a contract right this minute, but if the team continues to play solid baseball, and the players are responding, there really isnt any reason to wait till the offseason.

If they do decide to wait till the offseason I wont be overly disappointed either, unless Riggleman ends up as the Cards manager, that is,lol.



Personally I was wanting Pat Kelly to be named manager, so I wasnt much of a fan when Riggleman was named interim manager. Not because I didnt think he could manage, it was due to how he walked out on his team in Washington.
However he has won me over, players are responding, which was what I was concerned about due to how he walked out on his Nats team, due to being made at ownership. But they seem to be playing hard for him.


I do think part of our turnaround is due to getting some players back from injury, but Riggleman, Pat Kelly and Danny Darwin, all I believe have played a major role as well in the team playing better.




On a another note, I hope this was just a bad start for Harvey, and he comes back strong in his next start. Sure would be nice to flip him for a solid prospect.
Harvey seems to like pitching for us, and our record since we got Harvey has been good, although I think thats just a coincidence, I dont think Harvey somehow made a huge difference in the team. Outside of him just pitching better, and seemingly getting his career back on track, which is likely due to Darwin helping Harvey out.

[jake44np]

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Love the Duvall trade, I enjoyed watching him hit HRs but will not really miss him.
He is not in there plans to start next year and I like the two young arms they got for him.
He is going to get a huge raise next year and again he is our 4th OFer.
I am not really sure why the Braves wanted him as he is going to be their 4th OFer too.

[jake44np]

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Really surprised Harvey wasnt traded.
Just read that 3 teams (SF, CHC, MWK) all contacted the Reds but they could not get a deal done.
I still look for him to be traded by Sept 1.

[CaseIH]

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Love the Duvall trade, I enjoyed watching him hit HRs but will not really miss him.
He is not in there plans to start next year and I like the two young arms they got for him.
He is going to get a huge raise next year and again he is our 4th OFer.
I am not really sure why the Braves wanted him as he is going to be their 4th OFer too.

Same here, I liked the Duvall trade. Sims, has a chance to be a top of the rotation type pitcher. Wisler before TJ was a highly touted prospect, and while he may still pan out as a starter, I think he could be a very good reliever. Preston Tucker could end up being a productive hitter, he likely isnt going to be as good defensively as Duvall was, but I think could hit for a better average, along with some power.


I was wondering if the Reds would move Harvey, if they didnt get a haul back for him, as I got this feeling that Harvey wants to stay with the Reds, and may have said he's willing to take a little less money to stay a Red. I have heard anything, this is just my gut feeling. With how things wnet for him in NY, and then getting things figured out, he may just feel comfortable with the Reds.

I dont know what it was, but he has looked more like the pre injury Harvey than the post surgery Harvey since the trade. His velocity has even improved.


Although the trade deadline may have past, but there is still a chance they will trade him. I cant imagine them not moving him, unless there are talks of a new contract before season end, it would be a dumb decision to not move him. Better to take what we can get in a trade, than not get nothing and he ends up elsewhere come offseason, as anything is better than nothing, if your not going to be able to keep him.

[jake44np]

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Same here, I liked the Duvall trade. Sims, has a chance to be a top of the rotation type pitcher. Wisler before TJ was a highly touted prospect, and while he may still pan out as a starter, I think he could be a very good reliever. Preston Tucker could end up being a productive hitter, he likely isnt going to be as good defensively as Duvall was, but I think could hit for a better average, along with some power.


I was wondering if the Reds would move Harvey, if they didnt get a haul back for him, as I got this feeling that Harvey wants to stay with the Reds, and may have said he's willing to take a little less money to stay a Red. I have heard anything, this is just my gut feeling. With how things wnet for him in NY, and then getting things figured out, he may just feel comfortable with the Reds.

I dont know what it was, but he has looked more like the pre injury Harvey than the post surgery Harvey since the trade. His velocity has even improved.


Although the trade deadline may have past, but there is still a chance they will trade him. I cant imagine them not moving him, unless there are talks of a new contract before season end, it would be a dumb decision to not move him. Better to take what we can get in a trade, than not get nothing and he ends up elsewhere come offseason, as anything is better than nothing, if your not going to be able to keep him.

Per every baseball beat writer there is a 0% chance he resigns with the Reds much less takes less to resign with the Reds.
His agent is Scott Boras and he prefers playing in a larger market.
Boras is going to get him a long term deal, something the Reds will have no interest in.
I read an article C. Trent wrote and everyone involved knows he is not going to be with the Reds next year.

[jasontoddwhitt]

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Homer has actually looked good his last two starts. Even his velocity was up.


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[jake44np]

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Interesting fact...
Homer has 5 quality starts this year...
The Reds are 0-5 in those 5 quality starts.
They are 1-13 in his starts this year.

[CaseIH]

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Per every baseball beat writer there is a 0% chance he resigns with the Reds much less takes less to resign with the Reds.
His agent is Scott Boras and he prefers playing in a larger market.
Boras is going to get him a long term deal, something the Reds will have no interest in.
I read an article C. Trent wrote and everyone involved knows he is not going to be with the Reds next year.

If that is indeed the case, then it would be stupid to not move him. I know Scott Boras is his agent, but Im not so sure Harvey now cares about the big market, after what took place with the Mets.



Obviously they still can move him thru waivers, and trade him, so maybe thats the plan, hoping to get a better offer that way.


I did hear, someone, cant remember if it was someone from MLB network, or if it was one of our announcers, that said they may just feel like they want to keep this momentum and finish strong, and end the yr on a good note, rather than take the chance of moving Harvey and it having a negative impact. After all, for whatever reason, since the Harvey trade, we have been one of the better teams in the league. You wouldnt think someone like Harvey would have that kind of impact, and it my be just a coincidence too, but we have been better.


Harvey seems to really like being a Red, so who knows, maybe he overrides Boras, to stay a Red. I aint got much use for C Trent Rosencrap, so I dont pay any attention to what he says.

However I do know it would seem a long shot with Harvey, especially with Boras being his agent. But IMO, it wouldnt make much sense, to not move Harvey, Id rather get something that nothing, for him. Plus we got some pitchers in the minors, we could bring up and get a good look at them before season end, or in Robert Stephenson's case get another good look at him, as he has been better down in AAA, although his walk rate is still to high.

[CaseIH]

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Interesting fact...
Homer has 5 quality starts this year...
The Reds are 0-5 in those 5 quality starts.
They are 1-13 in his starts this year.

Yeah, its been a odd season for Homer, when he has pitched extremely well, the offense doesnt show up. His last 2 starts have been impressive, and much needed, to give the bullpen some relief, as Riggleman has had to ride them hard, due to SP, not going deep enough into games. I like the fact that Riggleman doesnt baby these guys, and he plays to win each game, but at some point your starters, have to perform better and get deeper into games. You can ride a pen for stretches and have a short hook on your SP's, but they will wear down, and it will end up biting you in the rear at some point. Which is why that idiot Brian Kenny's theory on pitching wont work over a entire 162 game season,lol.

[jake44np]

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If that is indeed the case, then it would be stupid to not move him. I know Scott Boras is his agent, but Im not so sure Harvey now cares about the big market, after what took place with the Mets.



Obviously they still can move him thru waivers, and trade him, so maybe thats the plan, hoping to get a better offer that way.


I did hear, someone, cant remember if it was someone from MLB network, or if it was one of our announcers, that said they may just feel like they want to keep this momentum and finish strong, and end the yr on a good note, rather than take the chance of moving Harvey and it having a negative impact. After all, for whatever reason, since the Harvey trade, we have been one of the better teams in the league. You wouldnt think someone like Harvey would have that kind of impact, and it my be just a coincidence too, but we have been better.


Harvey seems to really like being a Red, so who knows, maybe he overrides Boras, to stay a Red. I aint got much use for C Trent Rosencrap, so I dont pay any attention to what he says.

However I do know it would seem a long shot with Harvey, especially with Boras being his agent. But IMO, it wouldnt make much sense, to not move Harvey, Id rather get something that nothing, for him. Plus we got some pitchers in the minors, we could bring up and get a good look at them before season end, or in Robert Stephenson's case get another good look at him, as he has been better down in AAA, although his walk rate is still to high.

I have no use for the way CTrent responds to tweets and acts as an individual.
The dude has gotten way too big for his britches! (If that's possible for a 400 pounds man)
He treats his twitter followers like crap and all of his responses are one word or a series of words putting down who ever asked the question.
But he is with the team almost everyday and says everyone inside the organization knows Harvey wants a long term big money deal. He has told the Reds this several times.

The younger pitchers love Harvey they say he is a great mentor.
So I am glad they have the rest of the year with him.

[jasontoddwhitt]

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I’d be shocked if Harvey was in a Reds uniform Sept. 1st.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to keep him. But I just don’t think it’s realistic.


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[CaseIH]

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I have no use for the way CTrent responds to tweets and acts as an individual.
The dude has gotten way too big for his britches! (If that's possible for a 400 pounds man)
He treats his twitter followers like crap and all of his responses are one word or a series of words putting down who ever asked the question.
But he is with the team almost everyday and says everyone inside the organization knows Harvey wants a long term big money deal. He has told the Reds this several times.

The younger pitchers love Harvey they say he is a great mentor.
So I am glad they have the rest of the year with him.

Im sure with everything that Harvey has went thru, he is able to pass on some knowledge to the younger pitchers. He has seen the highs, and he has seen the low of lows.


Still I think if there is not a chance in hell that we can sign him, it would be a dumb move not to move him even if it is a lower level prospect.


Its also possible that teams are leary of him, and just dont want to give up much of anything to get him. They may looks at it, as its much easier to perform when there isnt no pressure on a team going nowhere, that it is when your contending for the postseason spot, and in the postseason.


Personally I think with the major surgeries Harvey had, its just taken him a while to regain his stuff. THe farther away from the surgeries he gets the better he will likely be.



Although with what he has went thru injury wise along with the struggles, he isnt going to get top dollar on the FA market more than likely anyway. There may be a team willing to gamble on him. The way things ended with the Mets, and the rumors possibly about going out and drinking the night before he starts, may scare GM away from giving him a big pay day. Granted he hasnt seem to have any issues as a Red, and there is plenty of good party spots in Cincinnati, so maybe those rumors were blown out of proportion, that or he has learned his lesson

[CaseIH]

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WTH is wrong with Mahle, this is what 4 games in a row, where he has sucked. Typically rookies have some ups and downs, and Im sure he will get it figured out, and be better comes next season.



I hope there isnt a injury he isnt telling them about.


It also may just be team have figured him out, and he isnt making the adjustment. Mahle had a easy time of if coming up thru the minors, with very few rough outings. Sometimes pitchers that have a easy time of it down on the farm, have some bumps along the way once they get to the bigs, and teams get a better feel for them.

[jasontoddwhitt]

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And Hunter Green has been shut down with a sprained elbow ligament.

Might as well go ahead and schedule the eventual Tommy John surgery


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