Official Cincinnati Reds Thread

[CaseIH]

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I had a sneaky feeling that the Reds may try to get Harvey when he refused his minors assignment with the Mets.
We have had some good luck with fixing a few pitchers over the past several yrs, but we also had Price, as pitching coach when we were taking pitchers off the scrap heap, and fixing them, like Simon, and Strailey. So hopefully the same can happen with Harvey.

The thing with Harvey is, I think he may have a drinking problem, which would make me leary of having him on the team. Hopefully thats not the case, but after he was late last yr, to a game, and he was sent home, and he said it was do to a headache, when he had been golfing earlier that day, had me thinking then, that his headache was likley do to drinking to much on the golf course. I know alittle bit about partying early in the day, and when you quit drinking after starting early, you end up with a horrible hangover headache, which is why if you sart drinking early in the day, you need to keep drinking till bed time,lol.

I wish Mez good fortune, and hope he can stay healthy, its too bad injuries took its toll on him, because Mesoraco had a chance to be a very special talent, but injuries just took its toll. It was wise for the Reds to move him, due to all the injuries.
Hopefully it works out for both Harvey and Mesoraco, and they can go on to have nice careers.

[slickdtc]

Official Cincinnati Reds Thread

Let it begin. He ain’t wrong.

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[CaseIH]

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Let it begin. He ain’t wrong.

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1528250

I cant blame Votto. I kind of wondered if Votto didnt happen to say something, which led to the 6 game win streak, that was snapped last night.
Im sure the armchair GM's, will be blowing off at the mouth about trading Votto, and the sports writers will start their Votto trade rumors, real soon now,lol.
1 thing about Votto, is he is a very loyal player, not many players these days think like and are as loyal as Votto. So Im not really worried about Votto wanting traded. He has been very open about his desire and plan to play his entire career with 1 team.
Although he did say, after Brandon was traded, that if they treat him ever like they did Brandon, he wont be as nice as Brandon was, and he will be a clubhouse cancer.

Votto isnt one to say much, but when he does, he dont mix words, and he was right with what he said during spring training, and he is right about what he said in that recent article.
Obviously fans are getting upset, but a true fan sticks with your team thru the ups and downs. No one hates the Cubs more than I do, I have more hatred towards the Cubs, and enjoy watching them lose more than I enjoy watching the Reds win. But got to give the Cubs fans credit, they stick with there team, no matter that there team has been and alwasy will be the biggest joke in all of sports, unless another big market sports team goes beyond 108 yrs without a championship. Cubs did finally win, but it will likely be a cold day in hell before some team let alone some big market team goes that long with winning it all.

Like Votto, I thought this was the yr we would start to see progression, not just in the younger players, but also in the W-L's as well. I wasnt expecting to contend for the posteason, but I thought 75 to possibly 80 wins, was realistic. And that aint happening, now.

I dont think Votto will ask for a trade this yr, nor do I think he will waive his no trade if they come to him and ask him if he would like to be traded. Now if Votto feels they are disrespecting him, then yeah, I think he would leave, and likely demand it, but I dont see the Reds ownership or management disrespecting Votto. BP sometimes stuck his foot in his mouth, and said things, he shouldnt have, which gave ownership and management some reason to be upset with him. However Votto has always been a class act, both on the field and off. So I dont think they will push to trade Joey, nor do I see Joey as for a trade.
Now come next season, or even this winter, if Votto feels, they arent going in the right direction, he may very well have had enough, and if the Reds want to move him, he many end up agreeing.

Not sure I would bet the farm, on it, but if I were a gambling man, I would likely bet on Votto being a Red for his entire career. He has talks about what that means to him, and how its lacking in sports today. But losing can wear on a player, even more so than it does us fans. Because as fans, we can just not watch, where as the player has to go thru it every single day. And when you get to the age Votto is, you start to think about father time a little more.

[slickdtc]

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I think this is the beginning of the end for Votto as a Red. He’s giving and given the team way more then they deserve, I think it’s pretty clear this team is going nowhere and it’s just a matter of time before those small voices become impossible to drown out. He’s holding up his end of the bargain, but we all know the Reds as a team won’t even come close to contending. So the calls better start up now.

And if we get practically nothing in return for Votto, like we did when we shed Cueto and Chapman, then I don’t even know. We dismantled a team that’s window had just closed and have pretty much nothing to show for it. That’s really bad. I think baseball media at large has given the Reds a pass for how botched the rebuild has been. We held on too long and then didn’t get nearly enough in return when we finally bit the bullet.

[CaseIH]

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I think this is the beginning of the end for Votto as a Red. He’s giving and given the team way more then they deserve, I think it’s pretty clear this team is going nowhere and it’s just a matter of time before those small voices become impossible to drown out. He’s holding up his end of the bargain, but we all know the Reds as a team won’t even come close to contending. So the calls better start up now.

And if we get practically nothing in return for Votto, like we did when we shed Cueto and Chapman, then I don’t even know. We dismantled a team that’s window had just closed and have pretty much nothing to show for it. That’s really bad. I think baseball media at large has given the Reds a pass for how botched the rebuild has been. We held on too long and then didn’t get nearly enough in return when we finally bit the bullet.

The Chapman deal was crap, why the Reds didn that was beyond me, it made no sense whatsoever, they sold at Chapmans low point. It was like they just didnt want to be bothered by it, and just gave him away.
However with Cueto, we got 2 of the Royals best pitching prospects in Finnegan and Reed, for a rental. Also whats his name John, something, was at one time a top prospect, before TJ, and if I remember right he was also in a car wreck. But he had been pitching well when the trade was made, so it looked like there was a shot he could amount to a solid pitcher. Unfortunately those players just havent panned out, or atleast not yet, but Finnegan, I wouldnt give up on, just yet, however the pen may be where he is best suited. Reed, I have no hope for anylonger, he is a mental case.

Sometimes prospects just dont pan out, they fail in baseball way more often than they succeed. Chapman deal was a joke, and ranks right up there with given up Frank Robinson.
But Cueto, its hard to blame the Reds, and Im sure it was the best offer they had at that time, but the scouts just missed.

I agree Votto has given so much to the team, but he is paid well also, but Votto could have easily said, I want to play in a large market, but he didn, as so many stars due now days. So if Votto at this stage of his career feels there isnt a chance that this team has the pieces to contend in the next yr or 2, then I wont blame him one bit if he says trade me.

Its been disappointing, probably the most disappointing season in my lifetime, and considering how bad we were in the 2000's with Carl Linder as owner, I didnt think we could get any lower, but we may very well. Growing up in the 70's, I have seen both great times and bad times, and this is by far in my lifetime, the most disappointed I have been, and some of those teams int he 2000's were painful to watch, because you knew going intot he season, that we had absolutley no pitching whatsoever.
This season we cant hit, pitch or field, it cant get much worse than that when you suck at all 3 phases of the game.

I do know, some of these young prospects will pan out, and be good players. Both Castillo and Mahle are going to be top of the rotation arms, if they stay healthy. IMO Amir Garrett, needs to be stretch out, I hope do to Amir saying he dont care whether he is a SP or RP, as long as he is in the majors, doesnt give the Reds the excuse to make him RP for good. I feel this kid can be a solid starter.
We also got some young position prospects, in the system who arent that far off. Its easy to be pessimistic with how bad we this season started, but were not that far off, from being competitive.
There is talent in the majors now, and talent down on the farm, were not that far off, if we get the right manager and coaching staff. Ive always thought Riggleman was a solid manager, but his quitting on his team due to the FO and the owners of the Nats doing him dirty, turn me off on him, and why I dont want him long term. But I suppose everyone deserves a 2nd chance. But I do hope the Reds really think long and hard about who the next manager is. Because getting the right manager and coaching staff is going to be of utmost importance. I worry they will just give it to Larkin, and while I like Larkin as a player, not sure he would make a great manager.

We actually have a good coaching staff now, as our hitting coach and the new pitching coach I trust. Our bench coach Pat Kelly is who I said should be the manager, but I get why they gave it to Riggleman, and as I said I never questioned Riggleman managing ability, just rub me the wrong way when a manager quits on his players, no matter how big a A-holes you have as owner, like he had with the Nats.

I told my wife the other day Im ready for baseball to be over with and next season to start,lol. I do know things, are going to turn around soon. We have started to play better, Peraza's defense at ss, is improving and he is hitting.
The biggest disappoinment besides our record is Billy Hamilton, not sure the kid is ever going to be more than a glorified defensive player and PR. The thing is Billy dont have to be as good at getting on base as other players, just do to the havoc he does wreck when he gets on base, but you got to get on base atleast .300 or slightly higher, and you sure the heck cant be hitting below the mendoza line. If Billy cant turn it around, this season, then its time to move on, because we got prospects who can hit, and play CF down on the farm.

[jasontoddwhitt]

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Is it just me, or is Harvey actually looking legit?


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[slickdtc]

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Reds have done a pretty good job with reclamation projects. I’m not entirely shocked Harvey looks good again. It would have been tough to look worse!

[CaseIH]

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Is it just me, or is Harvey actually looking legit?


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I think a big credit goes to our pitching coach, now that we actually have one,lol. Im sure Mac Jenkins was a nice guy, but he wasnt worth a crap as pitching coach, which is probably why he was always just a assistant pitching coach, till the Reds had the hair brain ideo of making him the pitching coach.

Not only has Harvey started to look like he may be getting things figured out, but since Mac was fired, the pitching has improved. Plus I think you got to give Riggleman some credit as well, he has a quick hook, not quite like Sparky's was,lol, but Riggleman dont fool around, too long before pulling guys.
I see where Finnegan is ticked off about his demotion, and voiced his despleasure to the media, about it, and with Riggleman. I like what Riggleman's comment was, when told about it, he said I'll just bit my tongue on that


Actually since Rigglemen has taken over, along with the addition of Pat Kelly as bench coach and Darwin as pitching coach, the team has played about what I expected out of them this, season, as they are hovering around .500. So we are seeing a improvement, too bad they wouldnt have fired Price and Jenkins sooner,lol. Not that Price deserves all the blame over his tenure, he wasnt given much to work with, but it dont matter who the manager is, if you go thru that many yrs of sucking, you got to make a change, regardless if the manager is to be blamed or not, just do to moral of a clubhouse, when you lose that much, you got to shake things up. Its just too bad, they wouldnt have made the decision sooner, like last off season

[jake44np]

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7 wins in a row!
4 game sweep over the hated CUBS!
I love the way Wriggleman has managed this club.
They are 30-30 since he took over and have won 10 of 12.
Many here in Cincy are saying to take the interim tag off of Wriggleman.
Thoughts?
Wow its nice to talk baseball in here. lol

[TheShizNo1]

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I don't feel like there's a rush. I say let it play out.

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[jake44np]

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I don't feel like there's a rush. I say let it play out.

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Why tho?
Who are they going to get that will be better.
What if some other team takes notice of how good he has managed the Reds and steals him away?
Why not give him a 2 year deal now?
There are not any big time managers that are going to come here anyway.

[redsrule]

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Why tho?
Who are they going to get that will be better.
What if some other team takes notice of how good he has managed the Reds and steals him away?
Why not give him a 2 year deal now?
There are not any big time managers that are going to come here anyway.

Nobody is going to steal Riggleman away lol. He's done a good job of righting the ship, but this team is/was way too talented to be 3-18.
The last thing the Reds need to do is hire someone without a full search, again. They did that with Price, and... Firing the manager them hiring his assistant for the full time job just screams you don't have a plan in place to me.

Riggleman deserves a fair shot to interview for the job this winter. But the Reds need to conduct a full national search for the position. Not just interview him and Larkin and call it a day.

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[jake44np]

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Nobody is going to steal Riggleman away lol. He's done a good job of righting the ship, but this team is/was way too talented to be 3-18.
The last thing the Reds need to do is hire someone without a full search, again. They did that with Price, and... Firing the manager them hiring his assistant for the full time job just screams you don't have a plan in place to me.

Riggleman deserves a fair shot to interview for the job this winter. But the Reds need to conduct a full national search for the position. Not just interview him and Larkin and call it a day.

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Maybe no one will steal him away but he is a different cat.
If they keep playing well and the Reds don't give him the gig, he may walk at the end of the year. And before you say oh well then let him walk, who is going to take this job?
Its going to be some no name that has never managed in the bigs, or some one that has already failed multiple times before. Or Larkin, and I want no part of Larkin.
Give me a better option?
Listen to the players talk about him, they love playing for him.
They are having fun and enjoying the game, something that was missing under Price.
He holds them accountable too, something that was really missing under Price.
Dude knows how to manage, give him the job already.
We can hire Larkin in 2 years, he will still be available.

[CaseIH]

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Why tho?
Who are they going to get that will be better.
What if some other team takes notice of how good he has managed the Reds and steals him away?
Why not give him a 2 year deal now?
There are not any big time managers that are going to come here anyway.

I dont think anyone is going to steal Riggleman away. Plus Riggleman is greatful to the Reds for giving him another shot, because when he walked out on his team back when he was the Nats manager, many lost respect for him. Granted I believe he had a right to be upset with ownership and manangement, for not giving him a extension, because the team was improving and he was bringing that young team at the time along. But still walking out like that, didnt look good.
So Reds dont need to give him a contract now, better to wait till the season is over, and let this play out. I always felt Riggleman was a good manager, he did a descent job with the Cubs and Nats, but the walking out on his team, turn me off on him.
I do know a few yrs back, he was asked about it, and he said he did regret how he handled the situation, but he also said it wasnt a spur of the moment thing, and he thought long and hard before walking out, and understood it wasnt a good thing to do.


I was concerned when they gave him the job, that the team would likely improve under him. Because were werent as bad as our record showed, when Price was fired. Rigglemen definitely deserves credit for the team playing better, but the addition Darwin, as pitching coach, and Pat Kelly as bench coach has also played a huge role. Im sure Mack Jenkins was a good guy, but he wasnt a very good pitching coach, which is why I thought they should have never given him the job to begin with. Pat Kelly is a darn good manager, and who I wanted them to hire as manager, Ive watched a lot of Kelly, managing in the minors, and the guy knows what he is doing. So both Kelly and Darwin, have had a major hand in the teams turn around along with Riggleman.
While Pat Kelly, would be my 1st choice, as long as he stays on as bench coach, I will be fine with them making Riggleman the managers job, after the season is over, if the team continues to improve. Its just hard for me due to Rigglman walking out on his guys, if it werent for that, Id be all for him being the manager, because I do believe Riggleman is a solid manager.



The team is playing since Riggleman took over, more like the team I thought we had at the start of the season. But for whatever reason, they just got off to a horrendous start. Some of it is obviously due to injuries, but all teams have injury issues, and we had used that excuse long enough the past few yrs under Price. Now was it all Price is fault during his tenure as manager, no, but he is partly to blame, as the 1st couple yrs, Price made some poor decisions, that cost us some games, that a more experienced manager wouldnt have made. I felt the talent was there going into this season, to be competitive, and play close to .500 ball.



If this team continues to show improvement and we play around .500 ball, then they really have no choice but to hire Rigglemen as manager, as he will be deserving of it. I just hope were able to keep Darwin as pitching coach, and Pat Kelly as bench coach. But there is no need to really take the interem tag off till after the season is over. Rigglemen is greatfull the Reds gave him a managers job in the organization, a few yrs back, when other teams werent interested in him, due to the ordeal when he was the Nats manager, so I dont see him taking it personally if he they dont make him the manager till after season is over. I believe he will be loyal to them, due to them giving him a job when other teams werent interested. Like me, Im sure teams thought, how is he going to motivate kids, to play hard, when he walked out on his guy, due to being mad about his contract situation. However I due believe in 2nd chances and its been a while now since that ordeal in Washington happened, so if they play hard, and continue improving, I see no reason not to make Rigglemen the manager.

[CaseIH]

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12-3 in our last 15 games. That old sayin you cant win your division in April, but you can definitely lose it in April, is very true. Its a shame we got off to such a historical bad start.

Its nice to see Billy showing some signs of improvement, but he has did this before, so it may not to much of indication he is improving, although he is starting to be more patient. Billy is such a game changer when he can get on base at a descent rate, with his elite speed.

While our chance are slim to none, to get into contention for the Postseason, its nice to see the team playing hard and showing signs of improvement from players. With such a horrible stretch to start the season, and changes to manager and coaching staff, it would have been easy for guys to pack it in, so Im glad to see guys going hard, and playing to win, rather than just going thru the motions, wanting the season to get over with.

I dont know what it was, if it was a team meeting, or something else, but you can see a difference in players actions from earlier this season, as you can see it whenever they pan into the dugout during games. I kind of wonder if when Votto came out and said what he said to the media, but it seemed right after that, is when the team seemingly started playing better all around. Because before that, we couldnt pitch, hit or field, but since then everything has improved.


It will be interesting to see what management does at trade deadline, as far as trading for prospects. You know there is going to be a lot of interest in Iggy. Im sure teams will be asking about Suarez too, but I cant see us trading him away, as he is about as untouchable as Votto is. I just wonder if they will trade Scooter, as Im sure he will draw interest, but I would like to keep Scooter, he grew up a Reds fan, and he is a good leader in the clubhouse too. Harvey has improved since becoming a Red, so he may draw some interest, where we could something good out of moving him. Duvall is starting to hit better, so possibly could get a solid prospect or 2 maybe out of him. Im sure there will be teams interested in Billy, if he continues to hit descent, if nothing else, for his speed and defense, as Billy could be a difference maker for a team in postseason contention, even if it was just a late inning defensive replacement and PR. Not sure how many more yrs of control of Billy we have off the top of my head, so we may not be to inclined to move him, depending on the yrs left of control. Definitely will be interesting to see what moves are made, especially if we continue to see improvement, because this team could be a postseason contender next yr, with some of the young guys starting to figure things out.