Official Cincinnati Reds Thread

[redsrule]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Makes it even dumber that they didn't trade him at the deadline.

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[jasontoddwhitt]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

If the Reds knew about it last month, aren't they responsible for telling the commissioner about the domestic violence? If so, is there any punishment they could enforce on the Reds if there is some rule that was broken? Regardless of that stuff, pretty shady of the Reds to not tell a trading team.

According to the Reds, they didn't find out about this till Monday, the same time as the Dodgers. Reportedly, the Red Sox found out back in October when they were conducting a background check, which is why they dropped their pursuit of Chapman and went for Kimbrel.

[PhantomPain]

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According to the Reds, they didn't find out about this till Monday, the same time as the Dodgers. Reportedly, the Red Sox found out back in October when they were conducting a background check, which is why they dropped their pursuit of Chapman and went for Kimbrel.

I have a hard time believing that the Red Sox found out and DIDN'T say anything to the Reds. But maybe I guess.

[slickdtc]

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I have a hard time believing that the Red Sox found out and DIDN'T say anything to the Reds. But maybe I guess.

I can see that, but why didn't Cincinnati know in the first place? Boston may have assumed as much and figured Cincy was handling it.

Just more sweeping under the rug for athletes and celebrities. I'm somewhat surprised his incident slipped through the cracks with social media and 24 hour news. He's a pretty well known player too, not some fringe utility man.

At this point, his value is really low. Sort out this DV issue, let him pitch a bit, let everyone forget, and trade him during the year when teams are more desperate.

[PhantomPain]

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I can see that, but why didn't Cincinnati know in the first place? Boston may have assumed as much and figured Cincy was handling it.

Just more sweeping under the rug for athletes and celebrities. I'm somewhat surprised his incident slipped through the cracks with social media and 24 hour news. He's a pretty well known player too, not some fringe utility man.

At this point, his value is really low. Sort out this DV issue, let him pitch a bit, let everyone forget, and trade him during the year when teams are more desperate.

The Reds pretty much have no choice but to let him pitch and try again later. No team is going to touch him at the moment. Then if he gets suspended by MLB, how long? He needs a certain amount of service time this season to be able to qualify as a Free Agent after this year. It may be in Cincy's best interest if he doesn't qualify and try again after next season.

[jasontoddwhitt]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Dodgers no longer interested in Chapman.

Best case scenario for the Reds at this point is for MLB to suspend him at least 46 games, that way he can't become a free agent till after the 2017 season. This would cause his value at the deadline to skyrocket, as teams would get a season and a half worth of Chapman.

His trade value is practically null and void at this point.

[HustlinOwl]

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[slickdtc]

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It's a full blown firesale, and I'm okay with that. What sense is there in keeping good players when the roster as a whole ain't worth it.

Honestly, Joey needs to waive his no trade clause. I get that he wants to earn his keep, but he has. The true fans know that. He's going to end up being resented as the star on a bad ball club and he doesn't deserve that.

Although his contract is massive, someone would be willing to take it on given how great he is. It's not often you can even have a shot at trading for/signing a player of his caliber. It would be worth the gamble for them too, IMO.

[jasontoddwhitt]

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It's a full blown firesale, and I'm okay with that. What sense is there in keeping good players when the roster as a whole ain't worth it.

Honestly, Joey needs to waive his no trade clause. I get that he wants to earn his keep, but he has. The true fans know that. He's going to end up being resented as the star on a bad ball club and he doesn't deserve that.

Although his contract is massive, someone would be willing to take it on given how great he is. It's not often you can even have a shot at trading for/signing a player of his caliber. It would be worth the gamble for them too, IMO.

Joey has already come out and said he won't waive his no trade clause because he loves playing in Cincinnati.

As for the haul for Frazier...eh, we should've traded him in July when his value was red hot. Instead, we let him cool off big time and hurt his value. And now with this trade, it sounds like talks are heating up between the Reds and Nats for Brandon Phillips.

So, the IF next year could be....

1B - Votto
2B - Peraza
SS - Cozart
3B - Suarez

Jim Bowden is blasting the trade on twitter, which means it is probably a decent trade. Never trust a man who wears leather pants.

[HustlinOwl]

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It's a full blown firesale, and I'm okay with that. What sense is there in keeping good players when the roster as a whole ain't worth it.

Honestly, Joey needs to waive his no trade clause. I get that he wants to earn his keep, but he has. The true fans know that. He's going to end up being resented as the star on a bad ball club and he doesn't deserve that.

Although his contract is massive, someone would be willing to take it on given how great he is. It's not often you can even have a shot at trading for/signing a player of his caliber. It would be worth the gamble for them too, IMO.

There is no way any organization would take on Votto's contract and crazy if you think otherwise

[slickdtc]

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Agree on Frazier. I get that you don't want to just settle during the trade deadline, but now they backed themselves in to a corner with how down his second half was. It's like, if this offseason plan was in place, why didn't they pull the trigger then? We sat on him and now we end up with a likely lesser haul because of it. I suppose they didn't foresee the bad second half.

HustlinOwl, any rational person would stay away from a contract like that. Definitely. But not all GM's are rational people. Some teams still love to spend money, and they've done it on lesser players. I'm not saying there's a good chance, but there is one. Regardless, any interest is null and void because he doesn't want to move.

I can't really blame him. Cincy is a good place to play. The only teams that could afford him are huge markets and he obviously doesn't want to do that. You think he's been unfairly vilified here (as I do)? Goodness, I can't imagine what NY, LA, etc media would do to him. It's actually scaring me.

[CaseIH]

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There is no way any organization would take on Votto's contract and crazy if you think otherwise

Yep, wether you like it or not Votto isnt likely to go anywhere, because of his high contract. So Reds are stuck with him for better or worse so to speak.

Not that Im disappointed that were stuck with Votto, unless he starts having injury issues again, then I wont be to happy,lol. As long as Votto stays healthy he will have a positive impact thru most all of his contract I would guess.


Hated seeing Frazier traded, been following that kid since his LLWS days, an now he is sent to the craphole of america, I guess atleast its not the North Side trashville team he is playing for, so I will root for him to do well.

Not sure how I feel about what we got, cant say I know a lot about them players, when I st saw the news I had hoped it was for Tim Anderson, but I couldnt imagine White Sow giving him up.


Oh well, going tobe a rough 2016 for Reds fans more than likely, wonder who else will be on the move. I assume Bruce is being shopped extremely hard, as they have wanted to move Bruce for a while now, kind of surprised someone hasnt bit on Bruce yet, unless the Reds just have to high of a price still for him.

[PhantomPain]

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A healthy Votto is a Top 3-5 hitter in the majors. If someone can give Grienke $230 million, someone would be willing to take on Votto's contract as long as he is healthy. With that said, I agree that a rational person wouldn't do it but some GM's aren't rational as slickdtc said before. And if Votto doesn't want to go anywhere, which I don't understand, then so be it. We get one of the best hitters in baseball. But if I were Votto I would leave if I could. He isn't getting any younger and this team is probably at least 3-5 years away from being a deep playoff team (if we ever get there). Going to be a lot of losses over the next couple of years. As competitive as he is, I can't imagine that not bothering him (the L's).

Same with Phillips, he would be stupid not to waive his 10/5 to go to the Nats. I know he loves Cinci, but they aren't making the playoffs for the rest of his contract.

Trading Frazier...early last year I was whole heartedly against it until some of you convinced me why it was necessary. Then I was pissed they didn't trade him around the All Star game as his trade value was through the roof. We'll see how what we got pans out, but I bet it would have been better if we traded him last year.

[CaseIH]

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A healthy Votto is a Top 3-5 hitter in the majors. If someone can give Grienke $230 million, someone would be willing to take on Votto's contract as long as he is healthy. With that said, I agree that a rational person wouldn't do it but some GM's aren't rational as slickdtc said before. And if Votto doesn't want to go anywhere, which I don't understand, then so be it. We get one of the best hitters in baseball. But if I were Votto I would leave if I could. He isn't getting any younger and this team is probably at least 3-5 years away from being a deep playoff team (if we ever get there). Going to be a lot of losses over the next couple of years. As competitive as he is, I can't imagine that not bothering him (the L's).

Same with Phillips, he would be stupid not to waive his 10/5 to go to the Nats. I know he loves Cinci, but they aren't making the playoffs for the rest of his contract.

Trading Frazier...early last year I was whole heartedly against it until some of you convinced me why it was necessary. Then I was pissed they didn't trade him around the All Star game as his trade value was through the roof. We'll see how what we got pans out, but I bet it would have been better if we traded him last year.

Its basically impossible to trade Votto, but there has been some moves that would be dumber than if it happened over the history of the game, so some GM out there could go for it. Im not sure the Reds are even interested in trading Votto anyway, as long as he is healthy and if they feel they can be back in contention in 2 years, then no need to trade one of the best 5 hitters in baseball, and he will still be that in 2 years if healthy. And basically you can say if he stays healthy with any player on thsi earth, you never know what tomorrow is going to bring with any player.


Its almost a guarantee that 16 will be a very bad year for us Reds fans, but with all the young pitching we have I dont think this rebuild will take all that long as long as they dont screw up with poor moves that is. Quite frankly I dont think we came out on the good side of the Frazier trade, and thats not my love for Frazier blinding me either. I think the Dodgers probably got the best deal of the 3, with getting Montas. I understand we dont have a dire need for pitching, but never can have enough of that and we have a bullpen thats horrible and who knows how the young arms we have will fare, but Peraza has a chance to be a good player, so only time will tell if it pays off for us. Scott Schleuber intrigued me 2 years ago when I saw him play, so we will see how it all plays out.

Still go some more deal to go, so as long as Chapman ordeal isnt long an drawn out, we should get a good return in time for him. Bruce has been shopped for a while now and we still have him, so either the Reds are over valuing him, or teams arent all that interested in a high volume strikeout player who can look at times like a superstar and at times looks like he dont even belong in the majors. Not sure if we get much back in value for Bruce unfortunately.


While I expect 16 to be very bad an close to 100 losses once again, I do think there is a glimmer of hope that if Billy gets it going, and our young arms get it done, we could make some noise. Im not betting on that to happen, but baseball always has a team or 2 that surprises everyone.

[slickdtc]

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I think teams are waiting on where Gordon and Cespedes go and if there's any trades involving Gonzalez from Colorado before settling on Bruce for those left in the cold.

I don't see him having much value, so maybe letting him play out half a season in Cincy with no pressure to really win since our roster is gutted. Same for Chapman, though that's more because the uncertainty of any punishment coming his way.

It hurts to lose so many good players. Seeing the Frazier tributes moved me. But the Reds are doing this rebuild thing right. I thought they were going to halfass it but they're going all in. That takes guts knowing you're going to be bad for a few years and the return isn't guaranteed. Gotta tip my hat to Bob C and the front office.