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[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

I just think it's funny that it always seems to be C. Trent in the middle of these tirades (first BP, now Price).

Also get enjoyment reading people's comments who are so offended by this tirade. Please...I'm more offended by Price's choice to keep sending Kevin Gregg in with a game on the line.*

(Unless he doesn't agree with Uncle Walt about Gregg being on the roster, so he keeps sending him during important situations as a "see Uncle Walt, he sucks" kind of move.)

I would be frustrated too if I had to keep managing with a man down, or with a roster where if my lead off hitter is down, my next best available option is Skip Schumaker???

That C Trent is a worthless piece of ****. I didn't blame BP for what he said and I don't blame Price either for going off on the reporters. I doubt you would see Cards reporters trying to give away info to other teams.


Even Mr C last spring wasn't happy with the Reds media, so while Im sure he didn't care for the F bomb being used every other word, I doubt he was upset with Price telling them off.


I guess anyone who didn't think Price had more fire in him than Dusty was mistaken,lol. Funny thing is Dusty was a firey player, and I loved watching him play, managing not quite as much


Im surprised Price went off like that, because Im pretty sure he devote Christian, but hey so am I and none of us are perfect.


Price with this tirade I can guarantee gain him more respect in the clubhouse with the players, especially BP, as Im sure he loved seeing that fat bastard C Trent get told off,lol.

[redsrule]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

He's a piece of crap because he was doing his job? BP went off on him because he has paper thin skin and couldn't handle being told his OBP was awful which it was.
Give me a break with that he deserved it. Walt Jocketty deserved it for leaving Price with someone who couldn't play for 10 days. If Mesoraco was put on the DL like he should have those questions would have never been asked. Let alone not pinch running Hamilton in the 9th against St. Louis which made 0 sense that he didn't.

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[jasontoddwhitt]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Joey Votto is now slashing .377/.492/.792...that's good, right? I mean it sounds good.

And Cozart has four homers, which matches his total last year. He is slashing .353/.389/.647. Now he can't keep this up, but he has been hitting the ball hard so far this year.

[redsrule]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Honestly I'd flip Cozart and Hamilton in the lineup right now. I think both will get closer to their normal selves but Hamilton has been horrid of late.

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[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

He's a piece of crap because he was doing his job? BP went off on him because he has paper thin skin and couldn't handle being told his OBP was awful which it was.
Give me a break with that he deserved it. Walt Jocketty deserved it for leaving Price with someone who couldn't play for 10 days. If Mesoraco was put on the DL like he should have those questions would have never been asked. Let alone not pinch running Hamilton in the 9th against St. Louis which made 0 sense that he didn't.

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I remember the whole BP ordeal with that idiot C Trent. Frazier's OBP was .320, BP's was .310, yeah big difference there,lol. Instead of him asking Dusty why are you moving your best run producer out of the cleanup spot and into the 2 hole, he had to take a shot an say what he did. That was the real ?, not OBP, considering we were talking .310 vs .320.


I agree Walt pulled the same BS on Dusty having to play shorthanded all the time, and he does it to Price too.


Seems our beat writers like to stir up trouble a heck of a lot more than you see out of other teams writers.


Personally I don't ever have a issue with a manager or player telling off a those guys, some of them are annoying and C Trent is definitely annoying. Its not like this hasn't ever happened anyway, not the 1st timeo r last time a media person gets rip into by a manager or player.


I don't think it a coincidence that its always C Trent that is causing issues

[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Honestly I'd flip Cozart and Hamilton in the lineup right now. I think both will get closer to their normal selves but Hamilton has been horrid of late.

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Ive thought about this, but not sure it would be wise to mess with Cozart, by putting him into a pressure spot in the lineup. He seems to do much better when he don't have pressure on him.


However you would like to take advantage of his hot bat while you can, players typically play to the back of their baseball cards, so thinking Cozart has all of a sudden become a good hitter might be pushing it some.


I do think Cozart seems much more confident at the plate, more like he did back when he 1st got called up. I felt that Dusty stuck with him so long at the top of the order that Cozart lost all confidence in himself, and that's not good on a young player. Although in Dusty's defense he didn't have much to choose from either for the top 2 spots in the order either.


Im just glad to see Cozart gain some confidence back, and hopefully he can look at this time when he does go into a slump and not get down on himself to the point of losing all faith in his ability.


Im not real sure what I would do, risk messing with Cozart comfort level down in the order, or move him up and try and take advantage of his hit bat right now. Tough call, cant say I would blame Price with whatever he would choose to do with this.

[redsrule]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

I'm not saying it'd be wise, but Hamilton is hitting sub .200 right now. That is not getting it done. Cozart is relatively quick as well. BP would be the only other person that could lead off and no thank you on that.
Also Byrd needs to be on the bench right now. One because his play and another because they can not let his option pick up for next year. I'm still frustrated with that trade. Winkler/Lutz should be out there everyday, not Byrd.

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[slickdtc]

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I hate our OF depth. We need a younger option then Schumaker and Boesch. Eating up a roster spot.

Hopefully Cozart's bat stays hot and we can get more value from him in a trade. I already think he'll be moved as a defensive specialist to a contending team, but if he's hitting too we can actually get something back.

Ugh, I've devolved into hoping players play well so we can get returns for them.

And what the hell happened last night?! 16-10? Awesome.

Poor Chapman, the only actual pitcher in that ****ing bullpen. I don't want those guys to rub their stink on him damn it!

[maxreds19]

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First time over here, but I do follow the Reds every day and watch every game.

For Hamilton and Cozart. I think Price should move Cozart up to lead off for now, and possibly move Hamilton down to 9th behind the pitcher. A .200 hitter right now shouldn't be leading off. By hitting him 9th you get his speed on base with Cozart and Votto behind him. Hamilton never will be an RBI guy so not a problem with him hitting right behind the pitcher, which he does now anyway.

[redsrule]

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I hate our OF depth. We need a younger option then Schumaker and Boesch. Eating up a roster spot.

Hopefully Cozart's bat stays hot and we can get more value from him in a trade. I already think he'll be moved as a defensive specialist to a contending team, but if he's hitting too we can actually get something back.

Ugh, I've devolved into hoping players play well so we can get returns for them.

And what the hell happened last night?! 16-10? Awesome.

Poor Chapman, the only actual pitcher in that ****ing bullpen. I don't want those guys to rub their stink on him damn it!

Lutz, Winker, Yorman Rodriguez. The Reds have some depth there, Jocketty just went after a horrid outfielder instead of trusting in his younger players.

[CaseIH]

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I'm not saying it'd be wise, but Hamilton is hitting sub .200 right now. That is not getting it done. Cozart is relatively quick as well. BP would be the only other person that could lead off and no thank you on that.
Also Byrd needs to be on the bench right now. One because his play and another because they can not let his option pick up for next year. I'm still frustrated with that trade. Winkler/Lutz should be out there everyday, not Byrd.

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Personally I wanted Aoki, he don't K much and can leadoff. I don't blame Walt really for getting Byrd, and I still think Byrd can be productive, it took Luddy a awhile before he heated up in 12, so Byrd can possibly be that.


What Idont like about the Byrd deal is ihe gets a certain amount of plate appearances, his deal bcomes guaranteed in 16. No thank you, don't want him after this yr, no matter how well he hits this year.

[maxreds19]

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Personally I wanted Aoki, he don't K much and can leadoff. I don't blame Walt really for getting Byrd, and I still think Byrd can be productive, it took Luddy a awhile before he heated up in 12, so Byrd can possibly be that.

Aoki would have been better for this lineup. It's still early, so Byrd has a chance to get going at some point, but right now he is the worst starter in all of baseball. Last (193/193 qualified players) in WAR so far (-0.7), dead last 193/193 in OBP (.137), last 193/193 in wRC+ (-27, didn't know that's possible), and 188/193 in AVG.

Good win tonight for Reds though...

[jasontoddwhitt]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

I was lukewarm on the Marlon Byrd acquisition, but I figured he couldn't do worse that Luddy. Zips projected Byrd to put up numbers similar to 2014. However, Steamer projected a dip in his performance, which would prove the acquisition to be a downgrade.

2014 Ryan Ludwick: .244/.308/.375 91 wRC+
2015 Marlon Byrd (Zips projection): .262/.304/.459 109 wRC+
2015 Marlon Byrd (Steamer projection): .242/.288/.393 87 wRC+

But goodness gracious, I don't think anybody expected a start like this....

.122/.137/.143 -27 wRC+
Zips updated projection: .249/.289/.430 96 wRC+
Steamer updated projection: .230/.274/.368 76 wRC+

I wanted Nori Aoki too. I know Byrd was the cheaper option (since the Phils are footing half the bill and that's assuming Aoki hits his incentives). But, surely to goodness, we could've squeezed an extra $1-$2 million out of the budget to outbid the Giants.

Current: .344/.408/.438 148 wRC+
Zips updated projection: .289/.354/.370 113 wRC+
Steamer updated projection: .287/.352/.378 114 wRC+

I would've liked that in LF instead of Byrd.

God Bless Joey Votto.

[maxreds19]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

I was thinking about the future a little bit this morning. This team has a lot of talent and good players, but I feel like with the way Jocketty handles the team, they will never win. I think you have to trade Cueto, Leake, Phillips, and maybe Bruce (depends what they can get back) all this year. Need to build this team for 2016 but more so for 2017. They need to trade Cueto for a top hitting propsect -- someone like Joc Pederson or Corey Seager, hopefully middle infield. Same for Leake, but obviously the prospect(s) won't be as good. Phillips is the type of player you could probably trade for a reliever and have to take half his salary, which I think is fine. You would need a lot back for Bruce, and I think the Reds should look around at options for trading him. I think Chapman is the player to resign, they need that type of pitcher out of the bullpen. Let's say they trade Cueto, Leake, and Phillips this year, it would look like this in 2017:
*The year in parentheses is the year they become a FA

C - Mesoraco (2018)
1B - Votto (2023)
2B - Prospect acquired in trade
SS - Cozart (2017)
3B - Frazier (2017)
LF - Winker
CF - Hamilton (2019)
RF - Prospect acquired in trade

SP:
Bailey (2020)
Desclafani (2020)
Cingrani (2019)
Stephenson
Lorenzen

RP:
F/A signings + Chapman

Basically, Jocketty needs to get a 2B and RF prospect and this team has a chance to be really good in 2017. It can't be that hard to get a top 2B and RF prospect by trading Cueto, Leake, Phillips, and Bruce, whose contract is up after next year.

The bullpen is where Jocketty can use extra payroll to get better relievers than we've had. I'm sure he can find something better than Kevin Gregg by then.

The future for the team looks pretty good, the problem is Jocketty is not the guy I want in charge for a quick rebuild like this.

[redsrule]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

The game is tied so who does he go to? Kevin Gregg! Price really doesn't have a clue I guess... Not to mention his refusal to use Cingrani instead of these other bums as well.