Official Boston Red Sox 2005 Thread

[boston_sports_rule]

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With Boston grabbing Beckett from the Marlin fire sale, I think the sox should focus on acquirng an outfielder to become the 4th or even a starter (in case Damon really gets his 7yr deal some where else).

First trade could be:
SD trades Dave Roberts and Otsuka for David Wells

Second trade could be:
NYM trades Cliff Floyd, Aaron Heilman and Milledge for Manny and Shoppach.
or
I believe NESN proposed LAD trades JD Drew, Jeff Kent, Gagne for Manny, Foulke and Arroyo

I feel this would be the ideal circumstances.

Lineup
LF- Floyd or Drew
CF- Damon or Roberts
RF- Nixon
1st- Youks or platoon with Petagine
2nd- Pedroia or Kent
SS- Edgar
3rd- Lowell
DH- Ortiz

Rotation
Schill
Beckett
Wakes
Clement
Arroyo or Papelbon

Bullpen
Hansen
Delcarmen
Timlin
Myers
Foulke
with Heilman, Otsuka or even Gagne up in the air

[APD0290]

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Did anybody score Sox Pax this morning? I was able to get 4 tickets in the RF Grandstand to the Saturday Special Pack (Mariners, Orioles, Yankees, Royals).

[APD0290]

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Lucky me. Just got 4 more tickets to the Sunday Best Pack. The Sunday Best Pack is the games the day after the Saturday Special Pack.

So this season I've got tickets to:

April 15-16 vs Seattle
May 6-7 vs Baltimore
August 19-20 vs MFY
September 9-10 vs Kansas City

Good deal.

[Stu]

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You did better than I did. I never even got through the waiting room. My backup plan is to travel to Toronto and Baltimore instead of buying tickets for Fenway. I usually get a bunch of free tickets from business contacts so should still make it a few times.

[CWood2]

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Just heard rumors on EEI about a trade for Coco Crisp...the price would be Marte and Mota. Are they freakin' crazy??!! Our bullpen is not that deep, and how many teams can say they have a corner infielder of the future like Marte?

This coming after Damon is reportedly unsure about how he feels about the front office turnover and how it affects his resigning with the Sox. Oh boy...

[CWood2]

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Another thought...

we lose Renteria, 11 mil, Damon, Marte and Mota...and we get a man named Coco to play center. I'm assuming this rumor is a Damon backup plan, but it's pretty scary to me.

[Stu]

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I hope that's just a rumor. Sounds like a terrible deal for the Red Sox.

[CWood2]

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I hope that's just a rumor. Sounds like a terrible deal for the Red Sox.

Especially if Reed for Arroyo/Clement is still on the table. Maybe they're just drumming up rumors to act like they have a plan if Johnny's hesitance has some validity to it...

[Misfit]

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Interesting. I'm not sure how I feel about this one. On one hand, Damon is one of my favorite players on the Red Sox and he's a great lead-off man. However, will I feel the same way in 2009 or 2010, which is how long he'll be here (theretically). Coco Crisp on the other hand, is a very good, young player. He's 26 and if you go buy OPS he was actually a slightly better player than Damon last year. And he's not looking like a one year wonder as he was comparably good in 2004. I don't really like the idea of giving up both Marte and Mota to get him though, unless the Red Sox think they have the Mota of 2005 instead of the 2004 version. We'll have to see how this shakes out. If Crisp is merely a contingency plan in case Damon walks, then he's a pretty good one, at any rate. Reed sucks, I don't want the Sox to get him.

And on another note, Roger Clemens has said he will only consider pitching for these four teams: Astros, Rangers, Yankees, and Red Sox. A decision likely won't come for another month though and it's quite possible he will only be willing to pitch for half a season. That makes it pretty hard for these clubs to plan their rotation for the season. I guess you just go into the season with your 5, and whoever id doing the the worst gets demoted to the bullpen to make room for the Rocket. I still think it sounds too much like a fairy tale to have Roger finish his career in Boston, but I'll continue to hope.

[CWood2]

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Since they have Grady Sizemore, I'd hope we could get a guy like Coco Crisp for a little less...as in NOT Marte and anyone. Plus, with all the young guns that team has, I'd hate to give them another top prospect to go with that future nucleus. But looking at Crisp's numbers last year, you could make a decent argument that you wouldn't lose much if Damon walks.

Damon: .316/.366/.439 with 10 HRs and 70 RBIs, 18 SBs
Crisp: .300/.345/.465 with 16 HRs and 69 RBIs, 15 SBs

Those are real close guys! Even if Damon has the edge, Coco has the potential to go up or atleast keep this going...Johnny will get worse, and become more of a liability in center. How can we get this guy without giving up Andy Marte, because I'm real interested, and I've never been adament about bringing Damon back...

[Misfit]

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I personally do not have a good feeling about Marte, for whatever reason, though if they can hang onto him I would like to see them do so. I'm not really sure who else in the farm system would entice the Indians other than one of their pitchers, and there's no way the Sox will part with Lester, Papelbon, or Pedroia. Maybe Youkilis instead? I don't know, but Crisp is entertaining, nonetheless. You basically get a slightly worse OBP with him but a little more pop. Crisp obviously has the higher ceiling though and Damon is likely to stay the same or go down a level. I'm more concerned about Damon 3 or 4 years from now than I am with him in 2006. I also do not know how good of a baserunner Crisp is nor do I know if he's a plus fielder. All things to consider...

[GBrushTWood]

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Crisp would be an excellent addition if they do not re-sign Damon. In fact, he may even be an upgrade. He's another player who was on my roto team last year (I came in 2nd place out of 15 teams, so I had a ton of good, underrated players). He has pretty solid speed, though I imagine he'd never steal with the Sox. I have no clue about his defense, though I know he played many games in CF before being overtaken by an even better player in Grady Sizemore. That doesn't mean he's not a good CF at all..

I'm a little worried about him as a leadoff hitter, however. Of course, the pricetag for Crisp would certainly be Arroyo, plus possibly somebody else.

[dales]

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For you Sox fans who are wondering about Coco's defense I can tell you that he is pretty good in the outfield. He takes good routes to the ball and doesn't mind sacrificing his body to make catches against the wall. His arm is slightly better than Damon's but should still be classified as "weak."

[CWood2]

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For you Sox fans who are wondering about Coco's defense I can tell you that he is pretty good in the outfield. He takes good routes to the ball and doesn't mind sacrificing his body to make catches against the wall. His arm is slightly better than Damon's but should still be classified as "weak."

As long as he throws better than my sister, it's a big upgrade.

As far as Crisp, even if Marte doesn't pan out, he's still a top-tier prospect. As I said in another thread, Prospectus had him # 1 last year, so to me he's too much. If Bronson, Youk, or maybe someone like Abe Alvarez could get it done (2 of those and a lower prospect), I'd be very happy to acquire Coco Crisp. You could then think of packaging Shoppach for a first baseman like Adrian Gonzalez who has a much bigger upside than Youk anyway.

[CWood2]

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This was posted over at SoSH, but it's from the Herald denying that Marte and Mota will be the ones traded, contrary to what the Globe reported. Also, if the Indians got Nomar to play the OF, Coco would be easier to trade...

"The Red Sox are having ongoing discussions with the Cleveland Indians about a trade for outfielder Coco Crisp, with the pricetag expected to be either starter Bronson Arroyo or Matt Clement. The Indians are believed to have a preference for Arroyo, who is still arbitration eligible, while the Red Sox are more keen on giving away Clement, who is due $19 million the next two seasons and drew the Indians’ interest as a free agent last year.

A trade for Crisp would benefit the Red Sox on a number of fronts, regardless of the fate of free agent center fielder Johnny Damon and unhappy left fielder Manny Ramirez. With four years remaining before becoming eligible for free agency, the 26-year-old, switch-hitting Crisp can play center or a corner outfield position, has good speed on the basepaths, has displayed some power and has shown steady improvement in his last two full seasons with the Indians. He can bat leadoff and it is clear the Red Sox are entertaining thoughts of trading for him, especially as a fallback in case Damon does not re-sign.

Crisp made about $365,000 last season. The Indians may not be willing to deal Crisp, however, unless they can land an outfielder themselves, and they are one of the four teams actively courting free agent Nomar Garciaparra, who would play the outfield in Cleveland. . . . "

If Nomar goes to LA and Crisp is off the market, you would think the Jeremy Reed discussions get louder. I'm hoping we get Crisp regardless if it doesn't cost Marte as reported above.