2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

[apollooff320]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

See now we're discussing ideas. That's what I like to see. Not just "this is broken, rip it out" posts.

I'm taking notes guys, keep it coming.

I hope ideas can be put into a patch...I don't want to wait until next year.

[Gosens6]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

See now we're discussing ideas. That's what I like to see. Not just "this is broken, rip it out" posts.

I'm taking notes guys, keep it coming.

I can dig it, while you're listening, i'll drop some more ideas your way.

We need slumps, not just hot and cold streaks, but actual slumps that last games, weeks, months; And this also would tie in with the morale and roles issues.

If a guy is playing bad, just flat out bad, he should be benched. Not allowed to stay in the starting lineup just because his overall dictates so. Which is another reason overall and potential should go, or be severely tweaked.

Guys shouldn't be improving on a year to year basis just on potential alone. I feel like you can tie in statistical output, along with a tweaked potential system.

Let's say a guy has 2 star potential, but his attributes dictate that he has the possibility to become a MUCH better player. If he has a great year, his potential could bump, if he can repeat that performance on a consistent year to year basis, bump his potential to the max, but at the same time, don't over do it.

Basically, let's say a guy has 5 star potential, that means at the end of each season, he has the potential to improve the max amount of attributes, based on his performance on the court.

But if guys are stinking up the joint, let coaches have the ability to bench them, switch up starting lineups, etc. How about a personality badge that dictates a guy as a sixth man, or bench player. He'll know that's his specialty, and he will give you no hassle about coming off the bench.

I feel like only superstars and good to great starting players should be the only ones complaining about coming off the bench or about the minutes they're receiving. Then you have the Jamal Crawfords, Manu Ginobilis and Jason Terrys of the world. They know they're sixth men, they know they can start, but they know if it's asked of them, they'll come off the bench and be that spark. Most of the players in the game need this trait, but if you make "Sixth Man" a special sig skill or badge, those players could receive a rhythm boost when coming off the bench

[franzis]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

See now we're discussing ideas. That's what I like to see. Not just "this is broken, rip it out" posts.

I'm taking notes guys, keep it coming.

Few and simple suggestions:
- more difference between home and road games, with some kind of "homecourt factor" that should be higher for some arenas (see here http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...nas-in-the-nba)
- keep expanding coach role with badges. Make feel the difference between having Doc Rivers instead of Del Negro on the bench
- remove VC from the game lol

[Gosens6]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

Also, here's a big one, CPU trading...

I honestly, 100% feel like there should be a system in place, where teams play styles are attached to the coaches. Some coaches should love to run, shoot the 3, slow down the tempo, etc. Right now, there are a few options like that, but teams still fail to have a real identity, mainly because everything is dictated by overall rating.

If a coach is classified as loving to shoot the 3 ball, the AI should actively seek to sign 3 point shooting players to the team.

If a coach loves hard nosed, physical defense, they should look at defensive attributes when signing or trading for players.

This system could work for a variety of things. Play styles, the type of player a team seeks out, whether or not a certain player will want to play for a certain team because of the coaching system, it all needs to be much more in depth.

Also, big name free agents should factor in a lot more things when deciding where to sign. Market size, play style, coaching staff, how many players are at his position already on the team should determine where a guy goes; And money of course.

Basically, things need to feel more organic, and the potential and overall system is holding that organic feeling back. Everytime I play MyGM mode, I know that i'll have to eventually end up trading away, or not resigning half my team because most of the guys don't enjoy coming off the bench.

Trading away your 6th man backup center, or your 3 point shooting role player is NOT fun, just because they can't take coming off the bench and doing what they were signed for. Ray Allen, Jarrett Jack, JJ Redick, Javele McGee and countless other guys are perfect examples of that in the game.

[ataman5]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

See now we're discussing ideas. That's what I like to see. Not just "this is broken, rip it out" posts.

I'm taking notes guys, keep it coming.

Why don't we ever see you guys over Online Association Modes/Online Leagues modes issues related threads ?

So we can start discussing ideas over there as well.

Thank you.

[Leftos]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

Each coach has their own amount that they take performance into account when building the rotation. It might not seem significant enough for all coaches, but it's there. It's something we're trying for the first time this year, so I appreciate suggestions on that. But please, let's keep the ideas posted here focused on what the OP was discussing, don't just throw everything in this thread just because I showed up. That's what wishlist threads are for.

[Gosens6]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

Each coach has their own amount that they take performance into account when building the rotation. It might not seem significant enough for all coaches, but it's there. It's something we're trying for the first time this year, so I appreciate suggestions on that. But please, let's keep the ideas posted here focused on what the OP was discussing, don't just throw everything in this thread just because I showed up. That's what wishlist threads are for.

Not what I was trying to do at all. I was more or less discussing how a coach can't really build the lineup he wants to because of player roles and the overall rating. That was the basic reasoning for my post about coaching styles.

When building your perfect teams, it's essential for you to be able to sign the 6th man, role players and bench guys that really fit your style. What if I wanted JJ Redick off the bench to provide that 3 point spark with the 2nd team? I can't do it, because he'll be upset about not starting. What about a guy like Jarrett Jack? The perfect PG for your second team off the bench. That's why Cleveland went out and got him. We can't do that in the game because of player roles and too much emphasis on overalls.

That's all I was saying.

[Leftos]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

Didn't direct that part of my post at you Gosens6.

[Gosens6]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

Didn't direct that part of my post at you Gosens6.

Hahah sorry about that man, just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing something wrong when giving my suggestions.

[basehead617]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

We need slumps, not just hot and cold streaks, but actual slumps that last games, weeks, months; And this also would tie in with the morale and roles issues.

Can you imagine the uproar if THAT couldn't be disabled? Oops your favorite player is **** for weeks now.

[Gosens6]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

Can you imagine the uproar if THAT couldn't be disabled? Oops your favorite player is **** for weeks now.

But still, it happens all the time in the NBA. Of course, some guys in the game could have a trait that cancels out slumps, that allows them to bounce back as early as the next game.

That could also go a long way to giving players distinct, separate personalities.

[Cappy83]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

They have to go with no ifs or buts but then you suggest that certain personality traits should make players not get pissed off so much about that? I mean I'm all for discussion of the way certain things work, but you can't come at the subject like that. Do they need to go, or do they need to take more factors into account? If you ask me, I'd prefer to flesh out morale, chemistry and roles rather than take them out altogether, and I'd be all ears for ideas that maybe I haven't thought of already.

Okay I'll bite...Anybody who really plays 2k knows the player roles have always been broken. They were never implemented correctly and always just caused problems. People have always complained about it in these threads but it always had a fix, turn it off. The reason why this game is getting bashed so badly is because I can't play the game the way I WANT to. Now I'm being forced to play the way someone else wants me to.

I'll be honest I took mine back after 24 hrs and got store credit and picked something else up. AT least 4 of my friends did the same. The removal of features is almost criminal. This game is a slap in the face to all the users here on this forum that actually play deep into seasons and play association offline and online. Yeah ONLINE, you know the feature totally removed. I've been a lifelong supporter of this franchise and to be honest have never been more dissapointed in my life with a game. I would've been happy with the graphics,lighting and presentation changes. This game always allowed me to play the way I want to and now I feel like EA made this game which trust me is the exact opposite of what you guys want.

[Gosens6]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

Here's another thing. For a first year effort with a brand new mode, you guys did do A LOT of things right, but mostly all of the complaints people are having stem from the player roles and overall ratings system.

Trades: Too much focus on overall rating and morale. Not enough focus on attributes and stats.

Free Agency: Entirely too much focus on overall. Not enough on attributes, stats, how many players already at a certain position, age, etc. I feel like without overall, CPU AI teams would be a lot more tactical when signing players.

Lineups/Rotations: Once we get deep into the season, these should be changing frequently, even more so on bad teams that know they have no shot at the playoffs. Again, tweaks to player roles and overall ratings would help circumvent this an awful lot.

Other than that, I don't really have any other MAJOR complaints about the mode. All the problems we're seeing really stems from those two issues.

[JasonMartin]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

See now we're discussing ideas. That's what I like to see. Not just "this is broken, rip it out" posts.

I'm taking notes guys, keep it coming.

I appreciate you being here and posting in this thread but a lot of ideas have been discussed before in multiple (stickied, wishlists/non wishlists) threads. Even ideas that cover the next-gen problems. Some things were rather obvious and were expected to return.

It's been done before, all you need to do is read it.

[kongemeier]

Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

There needs to be a system in place that removes overall rating.

Keep individual attributes, but have teams and coaches base their lineups on statistical output and production, not just overall rating. A system where teams actually looked at attributes that fit their team play style, instead of just an arbitrary overall rating would go a long way


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If you could somehow teach the AI coaches to analyze with this tool and build their lineups on player performance and NOT just the overall it would create a whole new experience instead of the rather predictable franchises we have now.

DISCLAIMER: I have not tried NBA 2K14 on Next Gen. Live in Europe and still waiting for the consoles to lauch over here. So my knowledge is based on reading these forums.