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  • RocketTMac1
    MVP
    • Sep 2006
    • 1864

    #46
    Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

    I have to say that when it comes to MYGM options need to return as well as players accepting realistic roles. A sixth man like Manu and Crawford shouldn't be complaining about being a sixth man and requesting more minutes thus being thrust into the starting lineup and guys like Antwan Jamison getting serious PT who are just bench warmers at this point in their career.

    30 team control solved a lot of these issues as well as trade and offseason signing logic. I was very disappointed all the way around with this mode that sounded exciting when Leftos was talking about it. VC is ruining the mode when it comes to controlling aspects of business. I would make VC available only for things like increasing our trade savvy or adding things to the stadium. But jersey and ticket prices shouldn't be relegated to VC.

    Also how about the ability to have real GM's in the game next year. Because having MYPlayer be GM really rubs me the wrong way.
    The Buzz is Back in the Queen City. Cho........I have no idea what you are going to do in this draft man.

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    • Gosens6
      All Star
      • Oct 2007
      • 6101

      #47
      Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

      Originally posted by Leftos
      Let me just say that there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than you assume, even with trades. But, like I said, examples of bad trades where the whole situation has been assessed and it doesn't make sense are always good feedback to look into. "This X player should never be traded for Y" is not a valid argument to me, unless you've assessed everything about the teams at that point and what they might be trying to do. If the contracts exchanged and the rosters of the two teams after the trade still don't make sense, then I'd like to know about it.
      Well, the poster said that he looked in trade finder and was offered David Lee strait up for STAT. With Amares contract, his physical health, and the overall decline of his game, anyone would know that the Warriors would never in a trillion years offer the Knicks David Lee for STAT. It just wouldn't happen.

      Again, not saying in 2K it couldn't happen, because it obviously can; But that goes back to the overall rating. It should mean a lot less than it does for teams when it comes to trades.

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      • cthurt
        MVP
        • Oct 2009
        • 2525

        #48
        Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

        Originally posted by Leftos
        Let me just say that there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than you assume, even with trades. But, like I said, examples of bad trades where the whole situation has been assessed and it doesn't make sense are always good feedback to look into. "This X player should never be traded for Y" is not a valid argument to me, unless you've assessed everything about the teams at that point and what they might be trying to do. If the contracts exchanged and the rosters of the two teams after the trade still don't make sense, then I'd like to know about it.
        This response tells me all I need to know, and your right Leftos within the game a trade like Amare for David Lee is ok as long as the contracts and ratings match up. But the problem is guys like myself and others like to base trades in the video game off of what we know in real life rather then whats going on within the video game.

        So with that said the system that you guys have in the game is correct for video game purposes, but as far as relating to real life its far from what we would see. So basically for guys like myself all I ask for is a option to turn off cpu trades, thats a pretty simple solution i feel it would be impossible to create a trade system in a video game that would please us all.

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        • RocketTMac1
          MVP
          • Sep 2006
          • 1864

          #49
          Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

          Originally posted by Gosens6
          Well, the poster said that he looked in trade finder and was offered David Lee strait up for STAT. With Amares contract, his physical health, and the overall decline of his game, anyone would know that the Warriors would never in a trillion years offer the Knicks David Lee for STAT. It just wouldn't happen.

          Again, not saying in 2K it couldn't happen, because it obviously can; But that goes back to the overall rating. It should mean a lot less than it does for teams when it comes to trades.
          Yes trade logic needs to be worked on. Guys with noted injury problems shouldn't be traded straight up for bonafide stars.
          The Buzz is Back in the Queen City. Cho........I have no idea what you are going to do in this draft man.

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          • Riogho31
            Rookie
            • Apr 2013
            • 15

            #50
            Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

            I second the need to use WARP statistics and the like in deciding CPU rotations.

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            • MikeGiani
              Pro
              • Aug 2008
              • 680

              #51
              Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

              Originally posted by Leftos
              Let me just say that there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than you assume, even with trades. But, like I said, examples of bad trades where the whole situation has been assessed and it doesn't make sense are always good feedback to look into. "This X player should never be traded for Y" is not a valid argument to me, unless you've assessed everything about the teams at that point and what they might be trying to do. If the contracts exchanged and the rosters of the two teams after the trade still don't make sense, then I'd like to know about it.
              I agree that different situations can take into effect, but no way should I be able to go into trade finder and have a deal from every team for Amare. Granted a deal where I'm taking back a worse contract or something is reasonable, but the overall ratings hold too much value and the morale makes the CPU dump players they shouldn't.
              PSN - MikeDG719

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              • Leftos
                NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
                • Oct 2010
                • 1255

                #52
                Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                Thanks for all the feedback guys, and keep it coming. We're already coming up with great ideas moving forward.
                Eleftherios "Leftos" Aslanoglou
                NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
                Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
                Novato, CA, USA

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                • cthurt
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 2525

                  #53
                  Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                  Originally posted by Leftos
                  Thanks for all the feedback guys, and keep it coming. We're already coming up with great ideas moving forward.
                  Since this is a Patch Now thread are the things you guys are working on for a patch for this game or just ideas for future 2k games.

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                  • RocketTMac1
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 1864

                    #54
                    Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                    Originally posted by cthurt
                    Since this is a Patch Now thread are the things you guys are working on for a patch for this game or just ideas for future 2k games.
                    I wouldn't count on it bro.
                    The Buzz is Back in the Queen City. Cho........I have no idea what you are going to do in this draft man.

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                    • cthurt
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 2525

                      #55
                      Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                      Originally posted by RocketTMac1
                      I wouldn't count on it bro.
                      lol just wishfully thinking like I always do.

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                      • apollooff320
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 1456

                        #56
                        Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                        Originally posted by RocketTMac1
                        I wouldn't count on it bro.
                        some of these things can be patched in. If not they can at least turn off player roles so I can actually enjoy the MyGM.

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                        • Agame
                          Pro
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 682

                          #57
                          Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                          Leftos
                          "I still have a gazillion things I've wanted to work on "if I ever had the chance to work at VC", and the list only grows bigger with each great idea I come across in the community. That's why I'm trying to get discussion going, instead of seeing a thread that says "oh I hate this rip it out" and just shake my head and move on."

                          Thanks for staying focused and not letting words sting too much.

                          Lists of good ideas on subject. One I liked the most was a role added for Expectations". I know there would be many variables but sounds like a an easier one to implement and it would add to realism.
                          Last edited by Agame; 11-21-2013, 03:35 PM.

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                          • LakersForLife
                            Pro
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 835

                            #58
                            Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                            Originally posted by Leftos
                            Thanks for all the feedback guys, and keep it coming. We're already coming up with great ideas moving forward.
                            As in for next year right? You guys won't be changing or adding this year huh

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                            • cthurt
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 2525

                              #59
                              Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                              OK has this situation happened to anyone here. Im the Magic in mygm mode and I get a trade offer from the Nuggets cant remember the exact details of the trade but I ended up getting Danilo Gallinari, ok I sim a few games and another trade offer pops up and its the Grizzlies they offer me Mike Conley and I gladly accept.

                              Now heres where things get funny logic wise, once I made that trade for Conley it pissed Gallinari off to the point he was demanding a trade just because he was no longer the star player on the team, and all of this happened within the simulation of a few games.

                              Now I have what I thought would be a good team, with horrible chemistry and a key piece wonts to be traded before I even got a chance to play with him lol. Now on 2k's defense my team has a horrible record but still the player wanting a trade just becuase I traded for another star player at a different position is totally off.

                              I tried to play through but I was so annoyed by this I just turned the PS4 off, back to play now mode I go.

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                              • Eman5805
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 3545

                                #60
                                Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                                Originally posted by Leftos
                                See now we're discussing ideas. That's what I like to see. Not just "this is broken, rip it out" posts.

                                I'm taking notes guys, keep it coming.
                                If you're doing that, here's an idea. Career priorities. And they can be fluid based on a player's age, experience, and success. Along with how good a player they are.

                                A rookie might only be focused on minutes, but that could be placated by them improving as a player skill and overall wise. They could even adapt and become a guy that develops into getting sig skills and personality traits tuned to coming off the bench.

                                Winning a championship could also see a change in certain players. Like if you win a title, then your young guys who were key to the run could want big deals now that they've gotten that coveted ring. And as a GM with a limited budget, maybe you can't satisfy and see key players walk.

                                And then the older guys who haven't won a title and have already made a load of money in their career. If that one thing they want is a ring, they go the Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Rashard Lewis route. Take a low contract for a dominant contender.

                                Which opens up the chance for a person who had his career priorities on other things. Like building his brand up and making boatloads of money. I'd probably only assign these to generated players, like problem childs in scouting. Maybe you can't get away with something like that, but I'd try anyway.

                                Could even see a petty player (don't call them that, obviously) who was legitimately disgruntled sign with a team's rival for some payback. You can tie that in with Eco-Motion with him jawing at the crowd on the road or at his old teammates. Just a notion.

                                Basically, life isn't static. It changes and sometimes people change and learn and all that Disney stuff. And also all that HBO stuff too.
                                Last edited by Eman5805; 11-21-2013, 05:47 PM.

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