NBA 2K15 Trade Discussion Thread

[Cf3411]

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Unless the Wolves get a superstar they wouldn't move Wiggins. He is 19 they wouldn't move him for Oladipo, Harris (expiring contract would leave) and gordon.

So essentially it would be Wiggins for Oladipo and Gordon (who could be a huge bust) and a pick. Wiggins has a chance to be a once in a generation type talent and is already better than Oladipo who is older then him. Sorry you don't trade horses for ponies and that's all the magic have to offer, if they were so good why do they suck so much, and don't say same for wiggins cause he's a rookie surrounded by average at best role players. But according to you Harris, Oladipo, Gordon are all future all stars or fringe all stars and I don't see that at all, plus Harris is leaving in offseason so the best player currently would leave just makes no sense for Timberwolves.

[Cf3411]

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Also you keep saying I'd rather be the Hawks then be one team with a superstar and average players. Other than Detroit and maybe San Antonio last year but Duncan is still an all timer just old, what team in the last 30 years of the NBA has won without a superstar? None

I'd take Dallas from 2011 and have an all time great and average guys and win it all, every champion has a superstar so why give that up cause the Hawks are having a good regular season so they're the new blueprint? That's ludicrous cause the Hawks have had solid but not great players for the last 8-10 years and they haven't got out of the second round. I love this ATL team and our rooting for them but they haven't won in the playoffs yet so (I know they haven't got a chance if they win I'll change opinion...maybe). But I'll stick with the last 30 years of NBA history to prove to me you need generational stars like wiggins has potential to be not ponies like these magic players.

[Reyes19]

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Unless the Wolves get a superstar they wouldn't move Wiggins. He is 19 they wouldn't move him for Oladipo, Harris (expiring contract would leave) and gordon.

So essentially it would be Wiggins for Oladipo and Gordon (who could be a huge bust) and a pick. Wiggins has a chance to be a once in a generation type talent and is already better than Oladipo who is older then him. Sorry you don't trade horses for ponies and that's all the magic have to offer, if they were so good why do they suck so much, and don't say same for wiggins cause he's a rookie surrounded by average at best role players. But according to you Harris, Oladipo, Gordon are all future all stars or fringe all stars and I don't see that at all, plus Harris is leaving in offseason so the best player currently would leave just makes no sense for Timberwolves.

Don't forget Harkless and the guy who asked for advice asked for fairness not realism. To the guy that said Harkless hasn't developed, if going from a 4 with 0 offense to a 3 with a nice offensive game issn't improvement what is?

Magic suck so bad because they have the worst coach in the league coupled with no veteran presence and the leech that is Ben Gordon.

[BigT34]

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LOL at the overvaluing of Andrew Wiggins here.

He's progressed nicely as a rookie and may one day be a top-10 player, but he's still a rookie.

Let's not forget that various draft projection models actually valued Gordon higher than Wiggins: http://www.canishoopus.com/2014/6/25...a-in-one-place

Gordon plus Oladipo plus Harris (only 22), plus Harkless AND a first round pick? Uh, yeah, amazing deal for the TWolves.

The fact is that there's significant uncertainty around ALL of these prospects--nobody is a Lebron or KD or Anthony Davis, not even Wiggins. Wiggins doesn't come close to any of those guys in terms of certainty around his projection--so the value in having multiple good prospects is that at least one of them will become something really good.

Rookie stats:
Lebron: 18.3 PER, .078 WS/48, 8.37 WARP
Durant: 15.8 PER, 0.040 WS/48, 1.08 WARP
Davis: 21.7 PER, 0.159 WS/48, 5.4 WARP
Wiggins (to date): 12.8 PER, 0.028 WS/48, -0.54 WARP

We should be clear to NOT talk about Wiggins as a sure-fire superstar. He has flashed a ton of potential, especially of late, but he doesn't compare to a guy like Davis, who posted a PER as a rookie that was better than Lamarcus Aldridge, Chris Bosh, and Dirk Nowitzki.

So, in short, this is FOUR above-average prospects, including one potentially elite prospect, PLUS a lottery pick, for one potentially elite prospect. Where do I sign up?

[CBAT]

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You know what makes this trade fair? Is how strongly everyone feels about each side of the trade. The strong debate for both sides makes me believe that the trade is fair as we get opposing opinions.

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Don't forget Harkless and the guy who asked for advice asked for fairness not realism. To the guy that said Harkless hasn't developed, if going from a 4 with 0 offense to a 3 with a nice offensive game issn't improvement what is?

Magic suck so bad because they have the worst coach in the league coupled with no veteran presence and the leech that is Ben Gordon.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harklma01.html

I mean yea he's gotten better but he hasn't gotten to the point where he has a lot of value in this trade.

Wiggins' potential is considered to be fairly close to Anthony Davis. He's obviously not as good as LeBron or KD but he could be. I don't see any of the guys from the Magic making it worth giving up Wiggins. Gordon is a project at this point, Harris is going to get a big contract and Harkless probably doesn't even get resigned. The 1st is nice but the Wolves will probably have another top 5 this year anyway. Wiggins definitely has superstar potential and has the least amount of uncertainty of all the guys mentioned based on his play this year. There is no way the Wolves trade him without getting a guaranteed superstar in return.

[Zane3490]

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Since Wiggins is the hot topic, I figured I'd post the trades that I did to start my own rebuilding process.

Trade 1:
Thunder receive: Nikola Pekovic and Robbie Hummel
T-wolves receive: Kendrick Perkins and Mitch McGary

Trade 2:
Kings receive: Ricky Rubio and Kevin Martin
T-wolves receive: Nik Stauskas, Derrick Williams and a 17 1st.

Trade 3:
Pistons receive: Gary Neal, Chase Budinger, Gary Neal, Thaddeus Young
T-wolves receive: Cartier Martin, John Lucas, 15 2nd and 17 2nd from Detroit, 15 2nd from Utah
Jazz receive: Jonas Jerebko

T-wolves waive Cartier Martin.

Were my trades fair and at least semi-realisitc?

Feel free to blast away.

[Reyes19]

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http://www.basketball-reference.com/...harklma01.html
I mean yea he's gotten better but he hasn't gotten to the point where he has a lot of value in this trade.

Wiggins' potential is considered to be fairly close to Anthony Davis. He's obviously not as good as LeBron or KD but he could be. I don't see any of the guys from the Magic making it worth giving up Wiggins. Gordon is a project at this point, Harris is going to get a big contract and Harkless probably doesn't even get resigned. The 1st is nice but the Wolves will probably have another top 5 this year anyway. Wiggins definitely has superstar potential and has the least amount of uncertainty of all the guys mentioned based on his play this year. There is no way the Wolves trade him without getting a guaranteed superstar in return.

You're going to use stats to argue against a defensive oriented, stats where his touches went down at that. Yeah, umm I think this discussion is done.

[BigT34]

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http://www.basketball-reference.com/...harklma01.html
I mean yea he's gotten better but he hasn't gotten to the point where he has a lot of value in this trade.

Wiggins' potential is considered to be fairly close to Anthony Davis. He's obviously not as good as LeBron or KD but he could be. I don't see any of the guys from the Magic making it worth giving up Wiggins. Gordon is a project at this point, Harris is going to get a big contract and Harkless probably doesn't even get resigned. The 1st is nice but the Wolves will probably have another top 5 this year anyway. Wiggins definitely has superstar potential and has the least amount of uncertainty of all the guys mentioned based on his play this year. There is no way the Wolves trade him without getting a guaranteed superstar in return.

Who thinks that Wiggins' potential is "fairly close" to that of Anthony Davis?

And how are you quantifying the amount of uncertainty around his potential? What model are you using?

Both Davis and Wiggins spent a year in college--there is absolutely NO comparison between their college statistics. Davis performed at an elite level in his rookie season--Wiggins has yet to reach replacement level. Davis is currently, at the age of 21, on track to post the best PER in the ENTIRE HISTORY of the NBA, which includes peak MJ and Wilt Chamberlain. There are no words in the dictionary to accurately capture the immensity of Davis' potential--but let's just use some basic stats for comparison:

Wiggins is a tall guy who can run fast, jump high, and is really coordinated--for that reason, he's an exciting prospect. If I had to bet, I think he'll become an outstanding NBA player. But he is, thus far, lacking in some very key areas of production that are commonly associated with NBA stardom. For that reason, it's really hard to say that he's considered "fairly close" to Davis.

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And how are you quantifying the amount of uncertainty around his potential? What model are you using?

I was actually basing it on having watched a lot of games from both teams. Oladipo is having a solid season but Gordon hasn't played enough and when he has hasn't done much. Harkless can't get off the bench and has been passed up in the rotation by Devyn Marble. Harris hasn't shown the ability to to defend consistently and right now is scoring a lot for a bad team.

Wiggins is 19 and had 2 bad months at the beginning of the year. Since December he's been much better and has added a lot to his game and is already starting to add a decent post up game. He's improved defensively on and off the ball. For stretches of the season he has shown superstar potential and he's only 19. My point is that you never trade a guy who you think will be a superstar unless you are getting a superstar in return. Also if you have espn insider this is a pretty decent article about his potential http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story...3-lebron-james

[JazzMan]

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Dropping an ESPN article about how a media darling has superstar potential isn't really going to help your case lol

[redsox4evur]

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I was actually basing it on having watched a lot of games from both teams. Oladipo is having a solid season but Gordon hasn't played enough and when he has hasn't done much. Harkless can't get off the bench and has been passed up in the rotation by Devyn Marble. Harris hasn't shown the ability to to defend consistently and right now is scoring a lot for a bad team.

Wiggins is 19 and had 2 bad months at the beginning of the year. Since December he's been much better and has added a lot to his game and is already starting to add a decent post up game. He's improved defensively on and off the ball. For stretches of the season he has shown superstar potential and he's only 19. My point is that you never trade a guy who you think will be a superstar unless you are getting a superstar in return. Also if you have espn insider this is a pretty decent article about his potential http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story...3-lebron-james

Ummm yea you can post that article here. It is against the TOS.

[OldHossRadbourn]

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Don't forget Harkless

Harkless is worthless. He's done nothing in the league and actually slid backwards year 1 to year 2. IRL this year he's been even worse.

[OldHossRadbourn]

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Since Wiggins is the hot topic, I figured I'd post the trades that I did to start my own rebuilding process.

Trade 1:
Thunder receive: Nikola Pekovic and Robbie Hummel
T-wolves receive: Kendrick Perkins and Mitch McGary

IMO you "lost" this trade.

Trade 2:
Kings receive: Ricky Rubio and Kevin Martin
T-wolves receive: Nik Stauskas, Derrick Williams and a 17 1st.

Not realistic in terms of the Wolves taking back Williams(they've already gotten rid of him once) and the Kings giving up Stauskas but "value" wise it seems somewhat fair. IMO you shouldn't have gotten a first rounder back, but that's pretty nitpicky.

Trade 3:
Pistons receive: Gary Neal, Chase Budinger, Gary Neal, Thaddeus Young
T-wolves receive: Cartier Martin, John Lucas, 15 2nd and 17 2nd from Detroit, 15 2nd from Utah
Jazz receive: Jonas Jerebko

T-wolves waive Cartier Martin.

Pretty much a bunch of bums moving around except you losing Young. I'd say you "lost" this one only because you gave up the best player and didn't really get anything back at all of note.

Dropping an ESPN article about how a media darling has superstar potential isn't really going to help your case lol

Oh ok cool. So Supporting evidence is frowned upon. Got it.

[Reyes19]

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Harkless is worthless. He's done nothing in the league and actually slid backwards year 1 to year 2. IRL this year he's been even worse.

Hold on a minute you called Harkless massive tale.. oh nvm.