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  • MikeGSW
    Banned
    • Oct 2014
    • 861

    #16
    Re: This 'Shot fatigue' thing is the most ridiculous mechanics for 2k15

    Originally posted by apollooff320
    Played team basketball through Jr. High to college I never experienced my arms getting tired. I see if I was running up and down the court non stop but basketball isn't soccer. Basketball has a lot of resting periods. Shot fatigue had no place in this game to be honest. You have to be horribly out of shape to experience such a thing in real life in a game. I put up 100s of shots in practice and still never felt such a thing but I also didn't sit their doing it non stop like I was in a marathon.
    Either you're lying or you're breaking the laws of physics.

    ...Or you just didn't get to see much floor time.


    Go outside and put up 100s of shots. Record yourself doing it and we'll see how tired you get, how sloppy your form becomes, how lazy you get with your footwork, how few you make near the tail end.



    I mean anyone who played at any sort of level and had a half decent coach would have done drills specifically for shooting while extremely fatigued with your arms hurting, how to fight through it and improve your stamina. 7-5-3-1??? Nobody??

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    • mrchiggs
      Pro
      • Sep 2005
      • 511

      #17
      Re: This 'Shot fatigue' thing is the most ridiculous mechanics for 2k15

      Originally posted by MikeGSW
      No. But you do play defense, which means your arms are up. Have you ever actually played basketball? Your arms get tired, your legs get tired, the more you're asked to do on both ends the more tired you get and the more difficult it becomes to do these things.


      Let's take a real life example;

      Stephen Curry averages a FG% of 51% in the first quarter, 45% in the second, 44% in the third and 46% in the fourth.

      It's obvious that the more he played and the more he shot, the more tired he became and the more he missed. Yes, rest helps but it doesn't magically rejuvenate you.

      This is true for most guys who shoot a lot.

      Durant averages well above 50% in the first half of games but below 50% in the second half.

      Melo averages just below 50% in the first half, he shoots 45% in the 3rd and nearly 38% in the fourth.

      Kobe averaged about 46% in the first quarter during the 2011 season, he averaged barely 39% in the fourth.



      I'm not saying the mechanic in the game isn't flawed or can't be altered/improved. I'm simply saying the premise of "shot fatigue" not existing is utterly foolish.
      Those percentages aren't drop off. Not like we are seeing in the game. smh I have shot 66% in some of my first halves only to shoot a scorching 28% in my second half... which also seems to effect my team mates.

      Also this Fatigue doesn't seem to effect the CPU.... Ever.

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      • HowDareI
        MVP
        • Jan 2012
        • 1900

        #18
        Re: This 'Shot fatigue' thing is the most ridiculous mechanics for 2k15

        Originally posted by MikeGSW
        Either you're lying or you're breaking the laws of physics.

        ...Or you just didn't get to see much floor time.


        Go outside and put up 100s of shots. Record yourself doing it and we'll see how tired you get, how sloppy your form becomes, how lazy you get with your footwork, how few you make near the tail end.



        I mean anyone who played at any sort of level and had a half decent coach would have done drills specifically for shooting while extremely fatigued with your arms hurting, how to fight through it and improve your stamina. 7-5-3-1??? Nobody??
        I don't believe anyone on the internet man lol

        I used to play through college and still do and the only way to shoot hundreds of shots with no fatigue is by going to a gym and shooting jumpers and that's it...nothing else.
        But I don't think any credible coach ran a practice and told the whole team go shoot jumpers for an hour lol.

        I like the idea of shot fatigue, no matter what anyone says pro athletes' arms still get tired; it's not just shooting..it's driving and taking contact on the arms, passing the ball, playing d...it all factors in.
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        • mrchiggs
          Pro
          • Sep 2005
          • 511

          #19
          Re: This 'Shot fatigue' thing is the most ridiculous mechanics for 2k15

          Originally posted by threattonature
          Plenty of NBA players talk about how tiring it is too score a lot of points and how much effort and stamina it takes to put up 30 a game. There's a reason there aren't many 50 point games. I look at shot fatigue as a limiter that should seperate superstars from role players. In the past it was far too easy to be just as dangerous with a Gerald Green or JR Smith as it was a superstar.

          I do agree though that stars like Curry and Durant shouldn't feel the effects of shot fatigue nearly as much.
          Its hard to put up 30 because the Defense is keyed in on you if you're putting up 30. If your shooting wide open... No It doesn't. Specially if you've only launched 25-30 shots. 45...50...55 Maybe, but thats what hoisting hundreds of shots in practice staves off.

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          • mrchiggs
            Pro
            • Sep 2005
            • 511

            #20
            Re: This 'Shot fatigue' thing is the most ridiculous mechanics for 2k15

            Originally posted by ManiacMatt1782
            There doesn't need to be a "shot fatigue" though, Body fatigue needs to be upped, and have a greater effect on shooting ratings.
            Thats the same thing tho right? Its still effecting the shot.

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            • MikeGSW
              Banned
              • Oct 2014
              • 861

              #21
              Re: This 'Shot fatigue' thing is the most ridiculous mechanics for 2k15

              Originally posted by HowDareI
              I don't believe anyone on the internet man lol

              I used to play through college and still do and the only way to shoot hundreds of shots with no fatigue is by going to a gym and shooting jumpers and that's it...nothing else.
              But I don't think any credible coach ran a practice and told the whole team go shoot jumpers for an hour lol.

              I like the idea of shot fatigue, no matter what anyone says pro athletes' arms still get tired; it's not just shooting..it's driving and taking contact on the arms, passing the ball, playing d...it all factors in.
              Thank god someone else has experienced fatigue. I was beginning to think I lived in some alternate universe or had a rare disease or something.

              Seriously though. You're right about the little things factoring in.

              I'm not saying the mechanic itself doesn't need tweaked or fixed. I'm simply saying the comment about shot fatigue not existing in real life is absolutely ridiculous.

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              • mrchiggs
                Pro
                • Sep 2005
                • 511

                #22
                Re: This 'Shot fatigue' thing is the most ridiculous mechanics for 2k15

                Also, the whole notion that this is supposed to stop hero ball makes this addition silly for at least the MyPlayer portion of the game... Because thats basically what MyPlayer seems to require. also, when does this fatigue kick in?! And how severe is it?

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                • aimlessgun
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2013
                  • 160

                  #23
                  Re: This 'Shot fatigue' thing is the most ridiculous mechanics for 2k15

                  Originally posted by mrchiggs
                  Also, the whole notion that this is supposed to stop hero ball makes this addition silly for at least the MyPlayer portion of the game... Because thats basically what MyPlayer seems to require. also, when does this fatigue kick in?! And how severe is it?
                  Yeah I don't understand why it isn't just tied to the existing fatigue mechanic, which everyone understood and has a clear display. The opaqueness of shot fatigue is not good.

                  It also shouldn't be this crazy instant dropoff upon hitting some threshold, but a gradual and less significant decline.

                  Lastly on mycareer it should be severely mitigated or removed as a game option because on higher diff you have to hero ball to win sometimes.

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                  • apollooff320
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 1456

                    #24
                    This 'Shot fatigue' thing is the most ridiculous mechanics for 2k15

                    Originally posted by MikeGSW
                    Either you're lying or you're breaking the laws of physics.

                    ...Or you just didn't get to see much floor time.


                    Go outside and put up 100s of shots. Record yourself doing it and we'll see how tired you get, how sloppy your form becomes, how lazy you get with your footwork, how few you make near the tail end.



                    I mean anyone who played at any sort of level and had a half decent coach would have done drills specifically for shooting while extremely fatigued with your arms hurting, how to fight through it and improve your stamina. 7-5-3-1??? Nobody??

                    Not lying at all not all of us are out of shape. I saw a lot of floor time until sophomore year of college. I was also ran track and field. Also seeing floor time has nothing to with it since we had to play team ball and we all got the opportunity to shoot. Point is know one should be suffering shooters fatigue after a few shots which happens in this game. These guys are not running around shooting up 100s of shots non stop.
                    Last edited by apollooff320; 10-23-2014, 06:45 PM.

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                    • Mikelopedia
                      The Real Birdman
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 1523

                      #25
                      Re: This 'Shot fatigue' thing is the most ridiculous mechanics for 2k15

                      Originally posted by ManiacMatt1782
                      There doesn't need to be a "shot fatigue" though, Body fatigue needs to be upped, and have a greater effect on shooting ratings.
                      This.
                      There are not 2 different kinds of fatigue. Regular Fatigue just needs to have stronger affects on shooting when the player is spent. You do not get tired at one but not the other.

                      Now go ahead and commence your personal attacks over how I and anyone with this viewpoint have "never played basketball" or are "unbelievably basic."
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                      • 24ct
                        Pro
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 884

                        #26
                        Re: This 'Shot fatigue' thing is the most ridiculous mechanics for 2k15

                        This is all true. But the real/main problem which is unrealistic is it doesn't effect the CPU. At all. Which is cheap when my player can't score but Westbrook is 30/30 on HOF when I have Lockdown Defender, lol...

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                        • dubplate
                          MVP
                          • Dec 2002
                          • 3784

                          #27
                          Re: This 'Shot fatigue' thing is the most ridiculous mechanics for 2k15

                          This game has fallen out of favor with me the last two years because of garbage like this. There's nothing organic happening in the game. It's all just poorly coded random nonsense that kicks in out of nowhere without any rhyme or reason.

                          What's the point in playing if the CPU winds up dictating the outcome? It makes no sense and it's a damn shame. I used to love this series and now it makes me want to pull my hair out most games I play.
                          Last edited by dubplate; 10-23-2014, 08:26 PM.

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                          • Bruce1975
                            Rookie
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 102

                            #28
                            Re: This 'Shot fatigue' thing is the most ridiculous mechanics for 2k15

                            I play a ton of basketball. Ya never really feel tired when shooting, because it's fun. Adrenaline takes over on shots.

                            Now chasing a guy trough screens, staying in front of a good ball handler, banging with a post guy down low, running after rebound, generally Playing all out D.... That stuff will gas you. But shooting? Man I feel good on every shot.


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                            • BBallcoach
                              MVP
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 1524

                              #29
                              Re: This 'Shot fatigue' thing is the most ridiculous mechanics for 2k15

                              There is no such thing as shot fatigue in basketball,
                              Stopped reading after that, clearly someone has never played basketball in real life.
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                              • Bruce1975
                                Rookie
                                • Sep 2014
                                • 102

                                #30
                                Re: This 'Shot fatigue' thing is the most ridiculous mechanics for 2k15

                                Originally posted by BBallcoach
                                Stopped reading after that, clearly someone has never played basketball in real life.

                                I see where he is coming from kinda. A lot of other things will make you tired before shooting.

                                When shots usually start going off is when legs get tired, and that is not main consequence of shooting.


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