MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

[vtcrb]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Man I just wanna know if there's a workaround lol, I don't care about who's posting what.

You can change ages to Younger than 27 and to 1 Year Pro before Each Season. It WILL mess up ROY Award, but it can help with the issue.

You can Also make you Own Roster with Everyone Youngest they can be and Year 1 Pro, and play for 5-7 Seasons before the Issue hits. Hope this helps.

[BluFu]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

You can change ages to Younger than 27 and to 1 Year Pro before Each Season. It WILL mess up ROY Award, but it can help with the issue.

you don't need to do both, either one will work. and as long as you change the years pro to anything else besides 1 before the end of the season, they won't be considered rookies.

[ffaacc03]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

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And BigT before you go off asking how is it inflated. Look at the attribute changes that come in the daily roster updates posted by Beds. You see some guys getting a +20 to a certain attribute. Please explain why/how you would give someone a +20 to a certain attribute.
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Not trying to be nitpicking but that is not the right example ... this would be correct only if one assumes that the default rating was right to begin with ... Bed has said that such drastic changes are due to correcting oversights or inaccuracies of the default ratings than as a result of hype, small sample inflation or trying to meet an overall. I do think that the default rosters need to scale all players propperly (has gotten better with Bed, but still plenty of room to improve) and some attribute specific formulas need to be revisited, but that is another issue and for another topic.


Getting back to topic, there is indeed an issue that at least needs consideration by the devs (am thinking for further iterations as I doubt this gets done for 2K15), then again, I have sustained that unlike last year (very limited editing or none) and unlike past years (no possible influence from us to solve the issue), this issue aint gamebreaking as long as we have the ability to edit.

Anyways, am with VT, Ronyell, Dre and the rest of the editors crew in terms of trying to make 2K take notice, to try and have them:
- change their approach reducing the regression effects a bit
- providing us a separate slider to influence it
- alter how it works in a way that relates closer to the individual playtypes and IQ of the players as they age
- give us control of peak ages of each player

Here is to hope for some recognition of the issue but even better, for more, much more customization and editing tools.

[TheEmperor2001]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Like BigT, I too have a question about the overrated ratings. Are you all saying that the stars in the game are overrated because the CPU gives them too much playing time, messing up rotations? If that is the case, and your solution is to make the ratings across the board more even, why not increase the ratings of role players as opposed to decreasing the ratings of stars. That would fix regression and rotation (if those are the problems you have). And, since you're using custom sliders, you could adjust those to make the outcomes of your user games fit real life stats.

NOTE: I use the default roster.

[JA Money14]

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Personally, can't speak for my SimWorld brothers, but I'm not at all interested in making role players much higher overall than they deserve in order to fix a problem that should have been addressed via patch.

You could say just edit the sliders so they play accordingly, but sliders don't effect anything outside of gameplay, so simmed games would be wonky as all hell. I'm in no way bashing your sentiment, but I would NOT do that at all. That introduces an entire new problem for me.

[szdfyt]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

I agree as well and my decision on whether or not to purchase the game may hinge on whether this issue will be addressed.

[BigT34]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Not trying to be nitpicking but that is not the right example ... this would be correct only if one assumes that the default rating was right to begin with ... Bed has said that such drastic changes are due to correcting oversights or inaccuracies of the default ratings than as a result of hype, small sample inflation or trying to meet an overall. I do think that the default rosters need to scale all players propperly (has gotten better with Bed, but still plenty of room to improve) and some attribute specific formulas need to be revisited, but that is another issue and for another topic.


Getting back to topic, there is indeed an issue that at least needs consideration by the devs (am thinking for further iterations as I doubt this gets done for 2K15), then again, I have sustained that unlike last year (very limited editing or none) and unlike past years (no possible influence from us to solve the issue), this issue aint gamebreaking as long as we have the ability to edit.

Anyways, am with VT, Ronyell, Dre and the rest of the editors crew in terms of trying to make 2K take notice, to try and have them:
- change their approach reducing the regression effects a bit
- providing us a separate slider to influence it
- alter how it works in a way that relates closer to the individual playtypes and IQ of the players as they age
- give us control of peak ages of each player

Here is to hope for some recognition of the issue but even better, for more, much more customization and editing tools.

I agree with ALL of this. Give us sliders, give us control, and continue to work on this to make it more realistic.

I reiterate that I posted what I did to STRENGTHEN this discussion. If you look at Tim Duncan's aging curve, you see that he does buck the trend. I'll post some data later on how big men age in terms of defensive abilities, and it's very interesting that they continue to get BETTER at least until age 30. Offense seems to regress much sooner than defense, at least for centers, and that's something that's not at all modeled into 2k15.

[BigT34]

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So who you suppose to be?? Super save a hoe? Once again...the people who were speaking were debating with each other..what you offered in your 2 posts wasn't even worth the thread space it took up man.

If what you read bothers you...there's a nice unsubscribe to thread option you should fully make use of. And that's just my humble opinion.

There's no need to be so condescending. He's a member of this forum. That means he has the right to post on a thread that is open to all members.

Stop taking everything so personally. It's a video game, and this is a thread where we discuss it.

You and I agree that regression does not work optimally, and that we would like it improved. My goal is for regression to be as realistic as possible, so I post data that describe reality. I'm starting to wonder if what you guys want is for regression to work however you think it should work (despite never having been very concrete about what a good system would look like), regardless of what's realistic. People don't think Lebron should be regressing yet. Even though he is in real life. You just don't want him to, therefore, regression=broken.

[Dreece]

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There's no need to be so condescending. He's a member of this forum. That means he has the right to post on a thread that is open to all members.

Stop taking everything so personally. It's a video game, and this is a thread where we discuss it.

You and I agree that regression does not work optimally, and that we would like it improved. My goal is for regression to be as realistic as possible, so I post data that describe reality. I'm starting to wonder if what you guys want is for regression to work however you think it should work (despite never having been very concrete about what a good system would look like), regardless of what's realistic. People don't think Lebron should be regressing yet. Even though he is in real life. You just don't want him to, therefore, regression=broken.

Dude keep your attention focused on whatever your doing. What I said to him was to stop getting into matters and posting info not related to the regression issue. Personally I don't even care anymore..they got me to spend 400 on an Xbox and 60 on this game that was pumped up to be association mode on steriods. Lol yea that turned out great didn't it?? You know what regression worked well?? Every year until this one.

Y'all can debate away about this BS all you want but don't quote me when I'm trying to stop another argument from brewing because THAT guy had not a damn thing to say about REGRESSION.

[vtcrb]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

The EASIEST fix would be to set a PEAK AGE for Each Player. Give the User the Ability to EDIT that age. Also for it to work Correctly 2k needs to let us set How STEEP the Decline will be AFTER the Player reaches PEAK Age.

Sadly this WONT help in 2k15, unless they make a HUGE patch and I DONT see that happening.

[BigT34]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Dude keep your attention focused on whatever your doing. What I said to him was to stop getting into matters and posting info not related to the regression issue. Personally I don't even care anymore..they got me to spend 400 on an Xbox and 60 on this game that was pumped up to be association mode on steriods. Lol yea that turned out great didn't it?? You know what regression worked well?? Every year until this one.

Y'all can debate away about this BS all you want but don't quote me when I'm trying to stop another argument from brewing because THAT guy had not a damn thing to say about REGRESSION.

Enough with the dramatics.

Nobody "got you" to do anything. You chose to buy those products. You could have waited, you could have borrowed a copy from a friend or returned the game. You're an adult (presumably) and you're in control of how you spend your money.

There was plenty of topical discussion here. You guys decided to attack me for providing data and information that was relevant to the discussion and not previously presented. My posts were in accordance with the request of the initial post in the thread, they were topical, and they contained a great deal of useful information. And how did you guys respond?

If you want this conversation to stay on topic, you and your simworld buddies should back off with constantly trying to police what every single poster says in this thread. You guys do great work--I loved your X360 draft classes. But I fear you've let it go to your heads. Perhaps 2K hasn't responded because they don't think it's worthwhile to validate this constant attention seeking and self-aggrandizement?

[Dreece]

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Enough with the dramatics.

Nobody "got you" to do anything. You chose to buy those products. You could have waited, you could have borrowed a copy from a friend or returned the game. You're an adult (presumably) and you're in control of how you spend your money.

There was plenty of topical discussion here. You guys decided to attack me for providing data and information that was relevant to the discussion and not previously presented. My posts were in accordance with the request of the initial post in the thread, they were topical, and they contained a great deal of useful information. And how did you guys respond?

If you want this conversation to stay on topic, you and your simworld buddies should back off with constantly trying to police what every single poster says in this thread. You guys do great work--I loved your X360 draft classes. But I fear you've let it go to your heads. Perhaps 2K hasn't responded because they don't think it's worthwhile to validate this constant attention seeking and self-aggrandizement?

Once again since you can't seem to wrap this thought around your head...I don't care what you or anybody on this whole site thinks about what we do. We as a team do what we do because #1 we love editing and bringing OUR world to life.

Get to our heads?? We know what we do is great and much better that the generated effort that comes stock with the game. We also have families and jobs..(Yes I'm a grown *** man since you wanna ask). I am a consumer and if you think 2k didn't come to these forums to "SELL" the new My League mode then your seriously kidding yourself and just blowing smoke in this thread which is cool cause that's what you've been getting into.

The reason 2k hasn't answered is because the don't have an answer. If it was about some Diamond Melo or Ruby Wilt card they would have a comment.

This is my final comment to you Big T..whatever your motivation is...please state it...because WE as gamers want an issue fixed(you already stated that its not right).

Sim World motivation is to put out rosters and classes so WE can play a good association for more than 3 seasons without everything going to ****. We don't get paid NOR have we asked...we do this for the love of this game. We AIM to make it better...what are you doing for this community to make 2k a better game for players on this site???

[wwharton]

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1. Personal attacks are against the TOS. Some of you are lucky to still be here after all the posts I just read.

2. Marino already posted that it's time to let this crap go and get back on topic. If you all can't do that, this thread will be locked and some of you may be leaving.

This is staying open because some have tried to get it back on track. But this is a warning.

[BigT34]

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Once again since you can't seem to wrap this thought around your head...I don't care what you or anybody on this whole site thinks about what we do. We as a team do what we do because #1 we love editing and bringing OUR world to life.

Get to our heads?? We know what we do is great and much better that the generated effort that comes stock with the game. We also have families and jobs..(Yes I'm a grown *** man since you wanna ask). I am a consumer and if you think 2k didn't come to these forums to "SELL" the new My League mode then your seriously kidding yourself and just blowing smoke in this thread which is cool cause that's what you've been getting into.

The reason 2k hasn't answered is because the don't have an answer. If it was about some Diamond Melo or Ruby Wilt card they would have a comment.

This is my final comment to you Big T..whatever your motivation is...please state it...because WE as gamers want an issue fixed(you already stated that its not right).

Sim World motivation is to put out rosters and classes so WE can play a good association for more than 3 seasons without everything going to ****. We don't get paid NOR have we asked...we do this for the love of this game. We AIM to make it better...what are you doing for this community to make 2k a better game for players on this site???

I want the same issue fixed as you. I don't think regression is realistic, and for that reason, I provided information about what realistic regression might look like. We may disagree on the magnitude of the problem, but we both want it improved and fixed. I've said this repeatedly and it's been repeatedly ignored, so I'm not sure where the miscommunication is.

What I've done is several hours worth of work collecting data from real life as well as my current MyLeague playthrough, and sharing it on here so that people can use it for discussion. That you can't appreciate that reflects on you, not me.

In respect of moderators and getting the thread back on topic, some of my ideas to fix this issue for 2k16:

1) Multiple aging curves for players: early peak, normal, late bloomer as three basic examples. Ideally I'd like to see 20+ models. Most guys would follow the typical patterns, but you'd have the rare Korver or Ginobli type.

2) The ability to edit player aging curves, both for current players and in custom draft classes (and in MyLeague)

3) These curves are modified by factors such as personality badges (work ethic, all-time great, etc), coaching staff, player happiness, injuries, and maybe even the presence of, say, a teammate with the mentor badge.

4) 2K to basically develop a MyLeague/MyGM testing engine that's basically a monte carlo simulator, so that, say, 20,000 MyLeague playthroughs could be simmed and the data crunched to compare it to real data on actual player aging

Other thoughts?

[redsox4evur]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

I want the same issue fixed as you. I don't think regression is realistic, and for that reason, I provided information about what realistic regression might look like. We may disagree on the magnitude of the problem, but we both want it improved and fixed. I've said this repeatedly and it's been repeatedly ignored, so I'm not sure where the miscommunication is.

In respect of moderators and getting the thread back on topic, some of my ideas to fix this issue for 2k16:

1) Multiple aging curves for players: early peak, normal, late bloomer as three basic examples. Ideally I'd like to see 20+ models. Most guys would follow the typical patterns, but you'd have the rare Korver or Ginobli type.

2) The ability to edit player aging curves, both for current players and in custom draft classes (and in MyLeague)

3) These curves are modified by factors such as personality badges (work ethic, all-time great, etc), coaching staff, player happiness, injuries, and maybe even the presence of, say, a teammate with the mentor badge.

4) 2K to basically develop a MyLeague/MyGM testing engine that's basically a monte carlo simulator, so that, say, 20,000 MyLeague playthroughs could be simmed and the data crunched to compare it to real data on actual player aging

Other thoughts?

The easier way to fix the issue is just go back to the same regression model that they had on the PS3 and 360 versions on the game. So that way there is no issues if you use a custom roster or the 2K default roster.