MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

[AdamJones113]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Asking people to explain their reasoning does not equal being disrespectful. I'm not sure why you equate debate to disrespect?

It sounds like what you're describing is actually the way that OVR rating is calculated, which is somewhat different from saying ratings are inflated. It's actually a critique of the OVR formula, as well as the way that it's valued by CPU GM AIs. And guess what? I AGREE with you--CPU AI GMs don't value players as well as they could.

And you equate demanding/asking for an explanation—which insinuates that the asker thinks the value is wrong, something VT explained he does not want to do—with simply debating?

This is not a thread for "debating/discussing CPU AI GMs," (which is a by-product and not a cause) which you seem to want to swing it to, as was mentioned specifically by Ronyell. Which was before you came back for one more back and forth, which also completely disregards his request not to sully this thread and take the debate to PMs.

As for your graphs, you're comparing NBA (obviously the model) to your default 2k roster MyGM (an attempted emulation with high ratings—and yes, they are high, as are the draft class ratings. LeBron was an 80 overall in his first 2k season. He's the best player in the world. 2k shouldn't have 2-5 guys nearing 80 in their first year with sky-high potentials. High ratings/potential ratings mask the issue, not least because players go into their age-28 season with a much higher overall.) which isn't the regression-affected problem. Your graphs are fine. Your conclusions are based off a different model, which is not where the issue is present. Therefore, please stop or take it to PMs. I'd be happy to go to PMs, but since you don't I might as well post here.

[Cedrik]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

A forum is an open place for discussion is it not?

[ronyell]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

1) You think those graphs are nonsensical? They're graphical depictions of real life NBA aging curves, which is a pretty central concept to this thread about regression. Are you telling me you don't think it's relevant to look at real life?

2) I haven't posted a single algorithm. I don't think "algorithm" is the word you meant to use.

Why are you SO angry at me?

because you end every one of your posts with a question that has already been answered and then CONTINUE to refute while being passive aggressive.

i explained EVERY problem that i have with your 20 some odd posts in this thread that are rebuttals to what the issue is just a few posts ago and you STILL post a question as to why... because i believe that you are a damage control planted poster based on your post history, post times & ability to avoid particular things pointed out to you all while attempting to diplomatically say that things aren't THAT big of a problem in damn near all of your posts since your arrival.

your contributions to this thread & cause have been very similar & just about as non-helpul as the bot that has repetitively posted the same thing over & over.

yes. you are correct. your derailing & demeaning of an issue that many feel so strongly about is VERY angering by the fact that you simply won't stop going back & forth... (trolling; if you are not a damage control planted poster).

your thread 2k16 progression ideas (only the 3rd that you've started since 2003... hmmm) is VERY helpful & is an appropriate place for your ideas debating back & forth; here is not. what you've done here is kill a thread by attempting to disprove portions of it for about 20 some-odd posts.

[Cedrik]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

your derailing & demeaning of an issue that many feel so strongly about is VERY angering [/CENTER]

If that makes you angry you need to go and see someone mate.

[Dreece]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

If that makes you angry you need to go and see someone mate.

Cmon man..your 2 posts brought ABSOLUTELY nothing to this discussion about regression. If you don't have anything constructive to say why don't you keep your comments about their debate to yourself mate.

[ffaacc03]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Dont fall into the trap guys ... sometimes is better to let some posts go unnoticed/unanswered, specially if they are off topic or dont contribute at all.

[Cedrik]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Cmon man..your 2 posts brought ABSOLUTELY nothing to this discussion about regression. If you don't have anything constructive to say why don't you keep your comments about their debate to yourself mate.

Because I've been reading this thread for a while and all I've seen is a bunch of people ganging up on one guy due to a difference of opinion.

[Dreece]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Because I've been reading this thread for a while and all I've seen is a bunch of people ganging up on one guy due to a difference of opinion.

So who you suppose to be?? Super save a hoe? Once again...the people who were speaking were debating with each other..what you offered in your 2 posts wasn't even worth the thread space it took up man.

If what you read bothers you...there's a nice unsubscribe to thread option you should fully make use of. And that's just my humble opinion.

[Marino]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Everyone needs to chill and get back on the topic of the thread.

[Cedrik]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

So who you suppose to be?? Super save a hoe? Once again...the people who were speaking were debating with each other..what you offered in your 2 posts wasn't even worth the thread space it took up man.

If what you read bothers you...there's a nice unsubscribe to thread option you should fully make use of. And that's just my humble opinion.

Mob mentality and arrogance bother me not reading this thread.

[ronyell]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Because I've been reading this thread for a while and all I've seen is a bunch of people ganging up on one guy due to a difference of opinion.

i understand & respect your point of view on this matter but he has essentially done the same all by himself by posting well over 20 rebuttal posts to EVERYTHING that any says in regard to progression being a big deal & the mere notion of 2k having inflated ratings.

it had been established that this is a thread for those who see it as an issue not a debate to IF it is an issue thread. i welcome debate as it jogs the brain but mindlessly posting the same thing about "why" & "how" over & over & over again when the question has been answered is trolling & one can't expect to ostracize himself then not get a response.

i NEVER attack anyone but doing what he has done has been an attack on people addressing an actual issue. and as for the slight disrespectful comments... i have been far more than tolerant as i frankly dont play that ****.

doing a little research on his post history & oblivious blind eye to very specific comments & you may gain a further understanding of the annoyance he causes through extirpating threads (not only this one).

[CWSapp757]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Mob mentality and arrogance bother me not reading this thread.

I am not going to insult you but just suggest that maybe you read the entire thread. If you still feel the same way than we will just have to agree to disagree.

Quick ON TOPIC question though.... Big T has stated that he is using default roster and we are using custom rosters right? Apparently the problem is most present and visible using custom rosters as opposed to default rosters. 99 percent of us in this thread use custom rosters right? So why are we even having this damn discussion? The two are clearly not created equal.

And I know you commented on that Big T and I believe you said this:

"I mean, are you asking for a progression/regression system that automatically accomodates the kind of roster you want to create?

If 2Ksports designs a rating system that works in one way, and you want to drastically change the scales in terms of player OVR and league landscape, that's fine, but do you think it's realistic for them to code a progression/regression system that adjusts to that? Does that not seem very, very difficult to code?"


Since we have had the ability to edit in 2K, using a custom roster has NEVER EVER EVER EVER changed the way that players progress/regress. I mean, am I correct sir? Please point me in the right direction if I am incorrect or providing the world with inaccurate information. In the past, have the 2k games not always followed the same progression/regression patterns no matter what roster we use?

Furthermore, by punishing users for using custom rosters (rather intentionally or unintentionally), are you not defeating the purpose of having the feature in the game at all good sir? Would that not be like promoting a feature in a game only to have it hinder your ability to fully enjoy the game?

Please don't get me wrong here. I just want to improve the game. That's all I want. At some point, I would like to hope that we can all hold hands, hug it out, maybe make some smores and discuss further improvements. Anybody else down?

[ronyell]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Everyone needs to chill and get back on the topic of the thread.

by getting the thread back on topic... is that discussing WHY regression is an issue and how much it impacts our MyLeague OR is it debating IF it is or is not an issue? it's the first & there are likely more posts from ONE particular person DEBATING than there are about issue & impact & that is how this all got blown out of proportion & i have no respect for how the thread was broken down.

a few others posted about how they did not see it as an issue (which is not the point of this thread per the OP but none of them but one posted over & over until they demolished the thread. I know who he is & why he is doing that & that is why i am not letting him off the hook for it... other than that let's PLEASE carry on the discussion.

[JazzMan]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Man I just wanna know if there's a workaround lol, I don't care about who's posting what.

[redsox4evur]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Quick ON TOPIC question though.... Big T has stated that he is using default roster and we are using custom rosters right? Apparently the problem is most present and visible using custom rosters as opposed to default rosters. 99 percent of us in this thread use custom rosters right? So why are we even having this damn discussion? The two are clearly not created equal.

Sapp you are right, BigT has said that he is using 2K's overinflated roster and not one customized for a more sim experience. Like the SimWorld and Trifecta projects.

And BigT before you go off asking how is it inflated. Look at the attribute changes that come in the daily roster updates posted by Beds. You see some guys getting a +20 to a certain attribute. Please explain why/how you would give someone a +20 to a certain attribute.

And as others have stated before this IS an issue. I don't know how it happened but in all of the last gen 2K's I ever played I used custom rosters, either SimWorld's or Trifecta. This was never a problem in those games but when I upgrade to the X1 to use these same roster sets, the regression bug kills the game and the MyLeague/MyGM modes. This issue has stopped me from playing 2K and if I am going back to 2K, sadly I am going to be playing MyCareer. I personally like the aspects of controlling a team and making them into a contender, or keeping a perennial powerhouse a powerhouse. I am not one who plays many games. So having the debilitating regression killing all players over the age of 28, kills the experience for me.