MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

[DKTF]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

But guys who are 30 SHOULD get worse. Are you saying that they shouldn't?

Because that's very unrealistic.

NBA players prim is form like 25-30 and most guys have a big drop off around 33. I am not saying that guys at 30 shouldn't get worse but the problem is ever one and I many ever one gets worse at 30 and by like 4-6 points and even a lot of guys get worse at 28-29 in this game and again by like 3-5 in a lot of causes. When you have both of the sliders at 100 you still have guys at 30 who get worse but not ever one there is some verity when you have the slider at 100. When you don't have both sliders at 100 there is no verity at all. Are you telling me that ever player should get worse at 30 and by 4-6 points? You should have some guys at 30 drop by 4 points and another guys at 30 stay the same and another guys drop by 1-2 points ect and that just doesn't happen. I am sorry people but if you think player progression regression is realistic in this game then you don't know much about NBA.

[BigT34]

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NBA players prim is form like 25-30 and most guys have a big drop off around 33. I am not saying that guys at 30 shouldn't get worse but the problem is ever one and I many ever one gets worse at 30 and by like 4-6 points and even a lot of guys get worse at 28-29 in this game and again by like 3-5 in a lot of causes. When you have both of the sliders at 100 you still have guys at 30 who get worse but not ever one there is some verity when you have the slider at 100. When you don't have both sliders at 100 there is no verity at all. Are you telling me that ever player should get worse at 30 and by 4-6 points? You should have some guys at 30 drop by 4 points and another guys at 30 stay the same and another guys drop by 1-2 points ect and that just doesn't happen. I am sorry people but if you think player progression regression is realistic in this game then you don't know much about NBA.

I've posted repeated data that this is NOT true--the drop happens well before age 33. NBA peak age is around 25/26, and usually plateaus until about 28, at which point a slow decline usually begins. That decline becomes DRASTIC after age 30. This is speaking in aggregate terms. If you doubt this, go back to my earlier posts in the thread--the data are very clear on this.

I'm telling you, and apparently nobody believes it, that I'm NOT having this experience. Marc Gasol and Joakim Noah each dropped one point after season 1. Bogut droppped 2. Korver had a 1-2 point drop at most. Al Jefferson stayed the same OVR. Currently in year 5, Steph Curry is 31 and 91 OVR--Marc Gasol is 79 OVR I think at age 35. I will post a list of regressions after season 1 when I get to my laptop at home. I'll also post all my settings.

Now I realize that this is not with a custom roster, and that IS an issue.

But some of us are not having this issue, which, you would think, would be interesting to people. Instead of asking us how we've managed to do it, we're being accused of lying and told we don't know much about the NBA.

But hey, if you would rather complain about this than enjoy the game, go for it. I'm enjoying the best franchise/dynasty experience I've ever played.

[madmax52277]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

I've posted repeated data that this is NOT true--the drop happens well before age 33. NBA peak age is around 25/26, and usually plateaus until about 28, at which point a slow decline usually begins. That decline becomes DRASTIC after age 30. This is speaking in aggregate terms. If you doubt this, go back to my earlier posts in the thread--the data are very clear on this.

I'm telling you, and apparently nobody believes it, that I'm NOT having this experience. Marc Gasol and Joakim Noah each dropped one point after season 1. Bogut droppped 2. Korver had a 1-2 point drop at most. Al Jefferson stayed the same OVR. Currently in year 5, Steph Curry is 31 and 91 OVR--Marc Gasol is 79 OVR I think at age 35. I will post a list of regressions after season 1 when I get to my laptop at home. I'll also post all my settings.

Now I realize that this is not with a custom roster, and that IS an issue.

But some of us are not having this issue, which, you would think, would be interesting to people. Instead of asking us how we've managed to do it, we're being accused of lying and told we don't know much about the NBA.

But hey, if you would rather complain about this than enjoy the game, go for it. I'm enjoying the best franchise/dynasty experience I've ever played.

Tellem BigT, tellem son!

I'm not on here to cause problems, are to judge people and call them a liar..we all know this is a custom rosters issues, but still talks about you can't start myleague because of regressing issues, which some of us are not seeing..that's why I'm on here to see what others are seeing.

One thing i found out is the miscellaneous durability, does wonders when it comes to players with injuries problems. you could leave all the real life injuries that the players have..but if you raise it, sorry for repeating myself...he will push through his injuries problems.

Rose was like on 56, so i raise it to 85..rondo got a boost, players like those will regress fast because of low durability...BigT you're right best 2k ever thanks man.

[annan]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

I've posted repeated data that this is NOT true--the drop happens well before age 33. NBA peak age is around 25/26, and usually plateaus until about 28, at which point a slow decline usually begins. That decline becomes DRASTIC after age 30. This is speaking in aggregate terms. If you doubt this, go back to my earlier posts in the thread--the data are very clear on this.

I'm telling you, and apparently nobody believes it, that I'm NOT having this experience. Marc Gasol and Joakim Noah each dropped one point after season 1. Bogut droppped 2. Korver had a 1-2 point drop at most. Al Jefferson stayed the same OVR. Currently in year 5, Steph Curry is 31 and 91 OVR--Marc Gasol is 79 OVR I think at age 35. I will post a list of regressions after season 1 when I get to my laptop at home. I'll also post all my settings.

Now I realize that this is not with a custom roster, and that IS an issue.

But some of us are not having this issue, which, you would think, would be interesting to people. Instead of asking us how we've managed to do it, we're being accused of lying and told we don't know much about the NBA.

But hey, if you would rather complain about this than enjoy the game, go for it. I'm enjoying the best franchise/dynasty experience I've ever played.

How far have you simmed beyond the first season? What are your opinions of this issue after 5 or 10 seasons? Does the issue get better, worse, or stay the same. Are you fairly happy with league composition a decade in? Sorry if you've answered this question before.

[TheEmperor2001]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

How far have you simmed beyond the first season? What are your opinions of this issue after 5 or 10 seasons? Does the issue get better, worse, or stay the same. Are you fairly happy with league composition a decade in? Sorry if you've answered this question before.

Bro, in the message you quoted he says he's in year 5.

[BigT34]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

I think, as with every sports game I've ever played, there are issues 5-10 years in.

Notably, I think guys become too good in certain areas: e.g. Marcus Smart ends up with like a 94 3-point rating. Rookies tend to be overvalued in terms of potential, and guys who have, say, an 82 3-point rating this year as rookies end up as elite snipers within a few years. This could be fixed by having potential vary across ratings-e.g. some guys would have a max shooting potential of 82, others of 88, etc, which are independent from their "OVR" potential.

I think the CPU-generated classes are way, way better than they used to be, but still have a few notable issues:
1) They're too old, overall. There's currently 8 guys who are 19 years old in the league--there are 0 in CPU-generated classes
2) Big men who can shoot are being generated, but CPU teams rarely develop shooting in big men
3) Inability for players to develop hot and cold zones
4) General issues with CPU AI--I think this could be fixed by creating various combinations of GM mindset (e.g. aim for superstars, build cohesive team a la Spurs/Hawks, etc.), GM ability (a D+ GM should make some ******* moves), and GM strategy (e.g. win now, firesale, tank, build through draft, build through FA, etc). Those factors in combination could create a rich and diverse league experience.

I have one MyLeague where i'm into 2032 or so, and it's been really fun and is still very enjoyable. The league is surprisingly balanced, although I do have to make a few attribute edits throughout the league from time to time and I have to be pretty diligent about which trades I approve. I still find it too easy to accrue excess assets such as draft picks, so I kind of have to shape other teams through trades in order to make sure there are other competitive teams.

[DKTF]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

I've posted repeated data that this is NOT true--the drop happens well before age 33. NBA peak age is around 25/26, and usually plateaus until about 28, at which point a slow decline usually begins. That decline becomes DRASTIC after age 30. This is speaking in aggregate terms. If you doubt this, go back to my earlier posts in the thread--the data are very clear on this.

I'm telling you, and apparently nobody believes it, that I'm NOT having this experience. Marc Gasol and Joakim Noah each dropped one point after season 1. Bogut droppped 2. Korver had a 1-2 point drop at most. Al Jefferson stayed the same OVR. Currently in year 5, Steph Curry is 31 and 91 OVR--Marc Gasol is 79 OVR I think at age 35. I will post a list of regressions after season 1 when I get to my laptop at home. I'll also post all my settings.

Now I realize that this is not with a custom roster, and that IS an issue.

But some of us are not having this issue, which, you would think, would be interesting to people. Instead of asking us how we've managed to do it, we're being accused of lying and told we don't know much about the NBA.

But hey, if you would rather complain about this than enjoy the game, go for it. I'm enjoying the best franchise/dynasty experience I've ever played.

I did see those post but players getting worse at 28 is wrong just wrong. They even talk on tv all the time when guys are young about how they are just getting to there prim when they are like 26 and how about how players prims are normal 25-30. Most players start to decline around 31 and have a big decine around 33. A lot of that data is very missed leading because there are a lot of players that are hardly good enough to make it to the league in the first place or that get injured a lot get into trouble with the law or all of those things that is the only reason that the average carrier is so short at like 4 years.


Your results of those few players you list sounds a million times better then what I am seeing. You said by year 5 curry was a 91 yet I have had sever simulations where after the first year curry goes down 1-2 points even after his best season of his carrier. You said that you used 2k roster not custom roster but I am pretty sure that no matter if you use custom roster or not that it doesn't make a difference at all. I am using only 2k rosters not custom roster and am having big big issuer with this. Its not that I want to complain the game plays amazingly while but this issue really really hurts MYLEAGUE that is why it is so frustrating because the game is so great besides this one big issue. With the way things are right now it is impossible for some one to play at a high level at like 31 and just about ever player is useless by like 33. You cant and I no not ever player is like this but you cant have guys that play at a high level at a older age like kobe, Duncan, derik ect and you cant have older sold rule players like a matt barnes.

[DKTF]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Tellem BigT, tellem son!

I'm not on here to cause problems, are to judge people and call them a liar..we all know this is a custom rosters issues, but still talks about you can't start myleague because of regressing issues, which some of us are not seeing..that's why I'm on here to see what others are seeing.

One thing i found out is the miscellaneous durability, does wonders when it comes to players with injuries problems. you could leave all the real life injuries that the players have..but if you raise it, sorry for repeating myself...he will push through his injuries problems.

Rose was like on 56, so i raise it to 85..rondo got a boost, players like those will regress fast because of low durability...BigT you're right best 2k ever thanks man.

lol how why are people saying this is a custom roster issue? All I use is 2k roster I never use custom rosters and like the first thing I did when the game came out was simulate a season and look at things like stands, stats ect and I noticed this in like 5 minutes after I got the game. This problem is like has bad has the sack issue in madden the only difference is that in madden it is a game play problem o there for its a bigger problem then this because game play is the most important thing in any game.

[DKTF]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Try player progression at 30, in season training at 70, season ending injuries at 0, injury effects and injury frequency at 40 for user and cpu. My draft class quality is at 7, for those who may care... That fixes all of your regression problems. Injuries have a HUGE effect on regression as Madmaxx noted. I guarantee this will work.

I will try that.

[DKTF]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Injuries are indeed really key.

Leg injuries can cost a guy 3-5 points on speed, quickness, lateral quickness, and vert. Young guys can regain them, but if a 29 year old breaks a leg or even twists an ankle, it can cause significant athleticism loss and OVR regression.

One thing I've done that seems to help is really lower injury effects.

That is interesting that you bring that up because I have noticed some times a player who is like 27-29 who has a good year when it comes to like points and such but that misses a good amonth of games like 30-40 games and they end up going down like 2 points. I may have to try player injure effecs at 0 and see what kind of difference that makes.

[DKTF]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

I think, as with every sports game I've ever played, there are issues 5-10 years in.

Notably, I think guys become too good in certain areas: e.g. Marcus Smart ends up with like a 94 3-point rating. Rookies tend to be overvalued in terms of potential, and guys who have, say, an 82 3-point rating this year as rookies end up as elite snipers within a few years. This could be fixed by having potential vary across ratings-e.g. some guys would have a max shooting potential of 82, others of 88, etc, which are independent from their "OVR" potential.

I think the CPU-generated classes are way, way better than they used to be, but still have a few notable issues:
1) They're too old, overall. There's currently 8 guys who are 19 years old in the league--there are 0 in CPU-generated classes
2) Big men who can shoot are being generated, but CPU teams rarely develop shooting in big men
3) Inability for players to develop hot and cold zones
4) General issues with CPU AI--I think this could be fixed by creating various combinations of GM mindset (e.g. aim for superstars, build cohesive team a la Spurs/Hawks, etc.), GM ability (a D+ GM should make some ******* moves), and GM strategy (e.g. win now, firesale, tank, build through draft, build through FA, etc). Those factors in combination could create a rich and diverse league experience.

I have one MyLeague where i'm into 2032 or so, and it's been really fun and is still very enjoyable. The league is surprisingly balanced, although I do have to make a few attribute edits throughout the league from time to time and I have to be pretty diligent about which trades I approve. I still find it too easy to accrue excess assets such as draft picks, so I kind of have to shape other teams through trades in order to make sure there are other competitive teams.

That is a interesting idea about having potential for different ratings. I think that would be a good idea to have in a furtchure NBA 2k game.

[vtcrb]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Tellem BigT, tellem son!

I'm not on here to cause problems, are to judge people and call them a liar..we all know this is a custom rosters issues, but still talks about you can't start myleague because of regressing issues, which some of us are not seeing..that's why I'm on here to see what others are seeing.

One thing i found out is the miscellaneous durability, does wonders when it comes to players with injuries problems. you could leave all the real life injuries that the players have..but if you raise it, sorry for repeating myself...he will push through his injuries problems.

Rose was like on 56, so i raise it to 85..rondo got a boost, players like those will regress fast because of low durability...BigT you're right best 2k ever thanks man.

NOT just a Custom Roster issue, i have posted Test results with 2k Default Roster as well.

[OldHossRadbourn]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Please show send me links.

There's been literally two threads full of evidence.

Lol. Seriously? We're lying?

You're a piece of work. If I post a screenshot, will you believe me? I'd like to know before I waste my time.

No. Because I've seen screenshots of numerous other tests run by people on multiple occasions on this site.

You're somehow arguing that you and max have the only two games printed w/o this issue. Were you lucky enough to be the only guys who go MVP 2004 w/o the lefty glitch as well?

Do you want me to quote the 2k developer post saying they are looking into the issue, thereby acknowledging there is in fact an issue?

[TheEmperor2001]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

There's been literally two threads full of evidence.


No. Because I've seen screenshots of numerous other tests run by people on multiple occasions on this site.

You're somehow arguing that you and max have the only two games printed w/o this issue. Were you lucky enough to be the only guys who go MVP 2004 w/o the lefty glitch as well?

Do you want me to quote the 2k developer post saying they are looking into the issue, thereby acknowledging there is in fact an issue?

He's never said it's not an issue. He's acknowledged that it is an issue numerous times. Just not as gamebreaking issue that some people think it is. I implore you to try the settings I posted.

[OldHossRadbourn]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

He's never said it's not an issue. He's acknowledged that it is an issue numerous times. Just not as gamebreaking issue that some people think it is. I implore you to try the settings I posted.

If it makes one of the major modes of the game unplayable then yes it's "gamebreaking". I don't play online, I don't play MyPlayer or MyPark etc. I play exclusively in MyLeague/MyGM. If an issue effects those to a point of it being unrealistic and useless, yes the issue is "gamebreaking"