MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

[BigT34]

Re: MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Maybe you aren't noticing the regression? It seems strange that this issue would affect so many people but you and your friend Dont have the same problem. Care to share your MyLeague settings? Perhaps you've set yours up in a way that mitigates the regression problems that plague everyone else's game.

Perhaps, but I also think people's expectations are a little unrealistic.

Regression happens in real life WAY faster than people think it does, in large part because we only remember the players who DON'T rapidly regress.

[BornBetter]

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Both......

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've seen the opposite problem with MyGM because you can't adjust the progression (if you can I must be blind). Players will have ridiculous progression like +9 or more in one season. Pretty much every time I've made it to the 2nd season of MyGM the Timberwolves essentially become this unstoppable force like the 95-96 Chicago Bulls.

[Pandetta]

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Progression is off in MyGM, however regression is essentially the same (which is the topic). So guys in MyGM rocket upwards and then drop like stones :-P.

My Career also has the same issues, but obviously fewer people are 10 years or more into that mode.

[vardano]

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Not trying to be pessimistic here but what sports video game company has ever came out and admitted a mistake and then attempted a fix, in the same year? I feel like the answer is none, and will always be none.


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It's funny, but it did happen. Total War released their Rome II in absolutely hideous state, it was so much of rightful rants that game developers did came to forums and said "sorry", I can link it. Then it took them almost one year to patch it 14 times to make it playable.
It's different story and issue here is not a game breaking... but anyways, since I was kid and played a NBA Live season mode on my Genesis, nothing changed - I want perfect franchise mode - this year it was so close.

[Guccilafluer]

MyLeague Regression - (Because the issue should not be forgotten)

Maybe you aren't noticing the regression? It seems strange that this issue would affect so many people but you and your friend Dont have the same problem. Care to share your MyLeague settings? Perhaps you've set yours up in a way that mitigates the regression problems that plague everyone else's game.

I wouldn't say we don't "notice it". I remember I signed Greg Monroe to a somewhat healthy 4 year deal at 28 and a 84 overall.. He dipped to a 76 by 30 and was 73 by 32.. I got the last juice out of him for his career but he did get noticeably worse those last two years..

On the other hand I had kristapis porzingis on the same squad down the road. I worked and worked on him but the guy never reached his potential and I almost gave up on him till I noticed he was 29 years old an still hadn't regressed.. Surprisingly I kept him on my team and at 32 now he's still an 85 and producing better than ever.. I know a big drop off is coming I just don't know when..

So I guess we just see the variability, for every extreme regression case and I can find one that is not so extreme and one that is actually the opposite of regression..

I think some, but not all people are just upset because the players in the video game aren't progressing or being mainstays like they think they should. I do think the regression needs tweaking but I actually like it a lot.. I'm 24, I've been doing dynastys, franchises, associations in video games hours on end for every sport my whole life.. It's nice to see something new and challenging like not knowing if that 29 year old I just signed is going to give me at least 2 more years of solid play..

I still see role players, them disappearing altogether is just not true., yeah maybe like Steve Novak and Wilson chandler. Etc regress mightily but there is always a new player you can find.. It's all about the chase..

Sure there may be a "huge" issue with the regression for some people, and I've tried and tried to see it, but it doesn't affect me. I can't predict the damn future, how in the world am I gonna say someone should be good in 5 years or not., for Christ sakes look at Kwame Brown..


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[dxuy]

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I agree as well and my decision on whether or not to purchase the game may hinge on whether this issue will be addressed.

[euphonious]

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Just my two cents.........I do not doubt regression is an issue that needs to be addressed or at least acknowledged by the 2k guys. My biggest disappointment more than the issue itself is the lack of feedback.
Two of my favorite players no doubt will be affected by this issue (Andrew Bogut and Patty Mills) as I am only half way through season 14/15 with my Knicks franchise rebuild.
If the drop off is brutal in seasons 2 and 3 I will live with that, heck in 2017 (real life) and Andrew is still a starting centre I would be kinda surprised.
My point is don't give up on what is still an enjoyable and absorbing mode,lets just lower our sim head expectations just a little and play in an alternate NBA universe (A.K.A Logan's Run Effect.....yes I'm old ) where regression is waiting for all of us.

[Melbournelad]

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Maybe it's my OCD, but changing years played just doesn't work for me as a workaround when Lebron/KD/AD win every rookie of the year afterwards.

As others have repeated, this is a game killer for me, and I feel deceived after the press RE: MyLeague. I won't wait for 2k16; honestly I don't know that I'll bother again.

Can't we just change the age to 27 or lower and then change it back immediately after the progression stage? Why does years pro need to be adjusted to 1?

[BluFu]

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Can't we just change the age to 27 or lower and then change it back immediately after the progression stage? Why does years pro need to be adjusted to 1?

more work remembering player's ages when you want to change them back (if you're into accuracy) and knowing what year to put their birth year as when you're in later seasons. they both work the same way, just an alternative

[BigT34]

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Just my two cents.........I do not doubt regression is an issue that needs to be addressed or at least acknowledged by the 2k guys. My biggest disappointment more than the issue itself is the lack of feedback.
Two of my favorite players no doubt will be affected by this issue (Andrew Bogut and Patty Mills) as I am only half way through season 14/15 with my Knicks franchise rebuild.
If the drop off is brutal in seasons 2 and 3 I will live with that, heck in 2017 (real life) and Andrew is still a starting centre I would be kinda surprised.
My point is don't give up on what is still an enjoyable and absorbing mode,lets just lower our sim head expectations just a little and play in an alternate NBA universe (A.K.A Logan's Run Effect.....yes I'm old ) where regression is waiting for all of us.

At 30 and with a bad back and bad knees, I'd say that Bogut has a very narrow window left in his career. It would not shock me to see him start to regress very rapidly over the next 2-3 years, which is exactly what is likely to happen in 2k15. How is that unrealistic?

Mills--we'll see. At 26, he's probably in his peak years anyway. Spurs signed him to a 3-year deal--I'd be reluctant to pay him big bucks at age 29, that's for sure.

I think you nailed it: people are upset because their favorite players aren't lasting as long as they'd like, which doesn't necessarily make regression broken. There's plenty of things in MyLeague that are not perfect replications of real life, but for some reason people are fixated on this one.

[CWSapp757]

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Honestly, I'm done. Some of you guys are never going to see why we feel this is an issue and I know that I will never be able to understand how you guys think this isn't a huge problem. All we are doing here is going back and forth. Everytime we make a point, you guys think that we are missing your point. And I know when you guys post your reasoning behind why it ISN'T a big issue I must admit that I roll my eyes so hard that I get a headache because I think it's ridiculous.

I respect everyone in this thread because the discussion has been very civil and respectful but I won't try to convince anyone here of why it is an issue. I considered doing a test with screenshots for all 30 teams several years in to show just why I have such a beef with this but what's the point. The people that think it's an big issue already know and the other guys are not going to be convinced. You guys enjoy your game and I'll try my best to enjoy mine.

Like euphonius said though, I just wish someone would address it. Even if someone says, "sorry you guys hate it but this is how we intended for regression to take effect". Sure I would be annoyed as hell but at least I would know this is what we are dealing with for this game and probably future versions of the game. But I guess we will just have to wait and see.

[ronyell]

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for everyone saying that the regression is not an issue i again state my grievances.

#1 - apparently if this issue does not appear for you guys & based on the ratings that you throw out there when you use reference; the issue is only a non-issue if you use official 2k rosters which is not cool to ALL of the people who make & use custom rosters. not to promote or bash either side of custom roster usage BUT players based on ALL that i've read from the "regression-isn't an-an-issue-guys" need to around the 77 OVR mark to begin with to not fall victim to the drastic regression issue. this in its self is an issue for a lot of editors because most editors & gamers like to see a difference between players. (let me add some insight, OVR does not always impact gameplay by any means BUT it does impact contract offers & CPU value logic as well as ROTATION which is equally important & why you see people starting that should not be.) SO OVR does matter when you have a Matt Bonner rated in the 77 range & an Iguodala rated an 82 (not their rating but throwing out an arbitrary example) because they are in NO means the same calibur of player.

I say all of that to say that that is the reason that many like to use custom rosters and thus regression should work just as well with custom rosters as it does with the official 2k ones.

#2 - for those that will take the ever popular "if it only affects the custom rosters guys so maybe they should just use the official ones if they are so unhappy"... custom rosters should not be an option if it will not translate properly. the coding should NOT be figured the same regardless of the starting point. meaning that it should be an integer amount for progression & regression not an OVR amount threshold.

#3 - the main issue is that there is not an idle point. players do not progress then INSTANTLY start regressing unless they are a superstar. that is not real life at all. in fact superstar players are the ones that incur the more drastic regression as they have a higher cieling & higher fall from grace.

simple and plain you should not have to have all players rated 77 OVR and above for them do not be out of the league in 3-4 years. that is in NO way indicative of real life.

if you were to place players into grades 90-99 being an A, 80 - 89 being a B, 70-79 being a C, 65 - 69 being a D & anything below being an F (which would differentiate talent levels appropriately) how the hell would the current regression rate impact the league if you had to be a 77 & above to not regress?... you would have STARS & bums (no role players) & only the stars would have longevity.

people's complaint is seeing the entire landscape of their MyLeague change every few years minus the superstar talents or players rated in the 80 range; so naming the few anomalies does not justify the regression issue.

regression is no where near as rapid as 2k currently has it for all players above 27 years old that are average players simple & plain. the laundry list of journeymen players that are average at best that play many years AND past 27 years old is MUCH longer than the current 2k format allows. i will not list said players unless someone can honestly & truthfully disagree.

*** ADD me to the list of... actually scratch that... i'm NOT purchasing next year''s game unless they address (speak to the fact even if not fixing it) this issue for THIS YEAR'S iteration. i feel that i if allow them to care NOT to address a major issue on two occasions this year & i purchase next year... i will be setting a standard of saying that it is acceptable. if i have to take all of that time each offseason to create my own regression workaround it will also ut into my gameplay time which also impacts my decision to not purchase next year so why would i purchase a game yearly that i only get 6 months of gametime with (figuring in Patch-gate also)?!

[vtcrb]

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Ronyell and Sapp, i think WE just have a DIFFERENT expectations of the game than the Casual Gamer. I mean we EDIT and TEST for months. I think we just have to realize that MOST wont see the Same things we see, which is fine.

We just gotta get Plugging away and hope things get addressed.

[BigT34]

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Ronyell and Sapp, i think WE just have a DIFFERENT expectations of the game than the Casual Gamer. I mean we EDIT and TEST for months. I think we just have to realize that MOST wont see the Same things we see, which is fine.

We just gotta get Plugging away and hope things get addressed.

I totally support any efforts to make this game better.

I do NOT thing the progression/regression system is as good as it could be--I have plenty of ideas about how to make it better.

I just think some of us are seeing things differently--for example in my current MyLeague, there's ~30 players who are 31 years old. That's actually more than are in the NBA this year. There's a 34 year old SG who is 90 OVR. He plateaued around 95-97 for about 6 years before starting to really regress at 32, the 2nd-rated SF is a 32 year old who's 86 OVR (down from a peak of 95, but so what? he's 32 now--that's a reasonable regression), and the #2 OVR PF is 94 OVR and 31 years old. The league's best PG dropped from 93 to 87 from age 28 to 29 because he tore his achilles and lost a ton of speed/quickness. I'm intrigued to see if he actually regains some of that this off-season--he may.

There are guys in their 30s who are mid-70s and very viable role players--I just signed a 34 (or 32, can't recall) year old James Young to a one-year deal to provide scoring off the bench--he's 75 OVR and very effective.

None of this screams horribly broken to me. Could it be better? Sure. It does seem like there's a more rapid regression with default rosters compared to CPU generated draft picks, and that certainly could be fixed.

[BigT34]

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people's complaint is seeing the entire landscape of their MyLeague change every few years minus the superstar talents or players rated in the 80 range; so naming the few anomalies does not justify the regression issue.

regression is no where near as rapid as 2k currently has it for all players above 27 years old that are average players simple & plain. the laundry list of journeymen players that are average at best that play many years AND past 27 years old is MUCH longer than the current 2k format allows. i will not list said players unless someone can honestly & truthfully disagree.

I'm not sure how accurate 2K is compared to real life in this regard. It probably is a more drastic decline in 2k15 than in real life.

HOWEVER, I think the decline is more drastic in real life than you realize. There is not actually a "laundry list" of journeymen who play in the NBA for many years. Relative to the total number of journeymen, it's a very, very small percentage that make it past 27, let alone make it past 30. This is a case where our perceptions don't totally match reality.