OS: Teach Me How Thread

[LorenzoDC]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

As far as rebounding goes, in Myleague the Cavs are averaging 19.5 OFFENSIVE Rebounds against my Bucks.


Any suggestion how I can limit this?


Clearly POEs have "crash defensive boards" set but seems useless.


And I'm too busy in on ball defense, help defense or shooters close-out to box-out manually

There are a few things that go into this. First thing to mention is that the game on default slider settings, even on sim, makes it easier for CPU controlled teams to get offensive rebounds. Most slider sets tweak the balance on slider settings to correct for this.

Aside from looking at the personnel of the teams, that's a lot of offensive rebounds to give up. So there is probably more to it than this.

The first thing to think about is how you set up your defensive settings. If you check out that link, Sam Pham lays out the approach to setting up team defense to have your defense prioritize your opponent's primary threat while protecting the paint and staying in position to get defensive rebounds.

If you play a lot of POE's on things like defend the perimeter and play physical, your defense will be out of position a lot to get rebounds. In this system, you play protect the paint and neutral defensive aggression pretty much throughout the game, and use defensive setting to tweak aggression on shooters, making adjustments through the game, especially to respond to who gets hot and screen defensive strategy by player.

Take a look at that video. See what you think, try it out. Also, if you play a lot of run and gun, and the opponent is also running in transition, you won't have your defense in position very often to set up and get rebounds.

So in this approach, while there are fast break opportunities, I usually play POE crash defensive glass for the full game, and often limit transition, trying to keep control of the ball and the clock, allowing my offense and defense to set up. That also includes shot selection, so if I'm getting cold I want to get to the basket/feed the post and keep the rebounds short so I don't feed the opponent transition game. That allows my defense to get back and set up if I miss.

Try it out and see what you think. If you're still having trouble, ask again, or anyway, let me know how it works for you.

[franzis]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

There are a few things that go into this. First thing to mention is that the game on default slider settings, even on sim, makes it easier for CPU controlled teams to get offensive rebounds. Most slider sets tweak the balance on slider settings to correct for this.

Aside from looking at the personnel of the teams, that's a lot of offensive rebounds to give up. So there is probably more to it than this.

The first thing to think about is how you set up your defensive settings. If you check out that link, Sam Pham lays out the approach to setting up team defense to have your defense prioritize your opponent's primary threat while protecting the paint and staying in position to get defensive rebounds.

If you play a lot of POE's on things like defend the perimeter and play physical, your defense will be out of position a lot to get rebounds. In this system, you play protect the paint and neutral defensive aggression pretty much throughout the game, and use defensive setting to tweak aggression on shooters, making adjustments through the game, especially to respond to who gets hot and screen defensive strategy by player.

Take a look at that video. See what you think, try it out. Also, if you play a lot of run and gun, and the opponent is also running in transition, you won't have your defense in position very often to set up and get rebounds.

So in this approach, while there are fast break opportunities, I usually play POE crash defensive glass for the full game, and often limit transition, trying to keep control of the ball and the clock, allowing my offense and defense to set up. That also includes shot selection, so if I'm getting cold I want to get to the basket/feed the post and keep the rebounds short so I don't feed the opponent transition game. That allows my defense to get back and set up if I miss.

Try it out and see what you think. If you're still having trouble, ask again, or anyway, let me know how it works for you.

Thanks a lot for the tips and the video where I noticed Sam is using the bucks (my same team). I will look at it for good




By the way, it's odd that I had this huge deficit in the offensive rebs only when I played vs Cavs (and in two games they had very similar stats: 20 and 19 off rebs).


The third time I played them in RS I was so frustrated by having them with 4/5 off rebounds after 3/4 minutes in the 1st qt that I quit, close 2k and restart it for 3/4 times. Finally something changed and I managed to get the W and an acceptable n. of off rebounds.


I know that I cheated and I'm not proud of it, but it was the first and last time during the season.

[ggsimmonds]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

Thanks a lot for the tips and the video where I noticed Sam is using the bucks (my same team). I will look at it for good




By the way, it's odd that I had this huge deficit in the offensive rebs only when I played vs Cavs (and in two games they had very similar stats: 20 and 19 off rebs).


The third time I played them in RS I was so frustrated by having them with 4/5 off rebounds after 3/4 minutes in the 1st qt that I quit, close 2k and restart it for 3/4 times. Finally something changed and I managed to get the W and an acceptable n. of off rebounds.


I know that I cheated and I'm not proud of it, but it was the first and last time during the season.

How are they getting offensive rebounds? Does it come after a lot of penetration or after rotations? That is when I give up offensive rebounds, and it is worse when LeBron drives and I manage to force a miss, but my defense is still out of position to grab the board.

[ch46647]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

Question for the vets of this series..

When playing a MY League.

1. Do you use stock 2K rosters or one of the custom rosters like SimWorld?
2. Do you use basic 2K settings? (Examlple- superstar/sim), or do you use sliders?

Thanks in advance!!

[Nevertheles109]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

Question for the vets of this series..

When playing a MY League.

1. Do you use stock 2K rosters or one of the custom rosters like SimWorld?
2. Do you use basic 2K settings? (Examlple- superstar/sim), or do you use sliders?

Thanks in advance!!

Been playing religiously since the original 2K in dreamcast days. It's the only game I buy each year and Madden if I'm feeling adventurous..

If you are big on accurate stats, I recommend adjusting sliders and utilizing a roster set like Simworld. Nevertheless, beds does not get enough respect around here. SIM OR default settings (Superstar is ideal for me) plays a very respectable game of basketball and you can't go wrong with either option.

If you've been playing with the 2K roster set this whole year, it may be prudent to stick with them (And Simulation/ default sliders). There's an old saying: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Nevertheless, I've ventured off to the slider and roster set this past week (Shady Mike slider set with my own adjustments...great work Shady!). Also, I am playing with HYPE & DC roster. Stats are very nice across the board but shots animations are different, signature dribbling ect so it will be an adjustment out the gates.

One long rant later, If you are a stats whore AND feel like something is missing from your game experience, use adjusted sliders and roster set. If not, 2K roster and sliders does a fine job AND may actually be my preferred method when it comes to game feel itself. Ideally, I'd like to find a happy median so it may be 2K roster set with SLIGHT slider tweaks (CPU Tendencies like take three points shots at 85, look for post up at 70, ect...ALL CREDIT to shady mike)

P.S. If you win majority of your games on Superstar/SIM, stick with it. Some sliders give the user an unnecessary crutch, in my opinion.

[ch46647]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

Incredible post. Thank you!

[ch46647]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

Are hypes rosters availiable for Xbox one? I like sim world but have injury issues with that roster

[Nevertheles109]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

Are hypes rosters availiable for Xbox one? I like sim world but have injury issues with that roster

I do not think so. If you have injury issues, adjust injury rate (I think that's what it's called but I know it is a slider as well) That should be a simple fix.

[georgepal]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

Is there some training mode in the game where it actually tells you which move you make every time? I try to get some badges however i find it hard to confirm whether I'm doing the euro step or spin layup properly.
It would be useful to have 2k tell you what move you did (like when you alley, steal, tip etc)

[LorenzoDC]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone ever uses the hop gather command - quick tap of X (on Xbox) to come to a stop while dribbling, with RS as a modifier to set the direction of your hop gather.

Is it any good for anything? Does it ever create space. I haven't used it really, but experimenting, it seems the defense catches up the the ball handler quickly so there's no space.

[ggsimmonds]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

Is there some training mode in the game where it actually tells you which move you make every time? I try to get some badges however i find it hard to confirm whether I'm doing the euro step or spin layup properly.
It would be useful to have 2k tell you what move you did (like when you alley, steal, tip etc)

I am not 100% sure on this -- when you spin hold the button to ensure it counts as a spin layup. If you spin, then release and press the shoot button that probably does not count. So on Ps4, tap square quickly tap again and hold in order for it to count

On a related note, spin like you are doing a layup and then doing a ball pump fake is so awesome. Just nasty

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone ever uses the hop gather command - quick tap of X (on Xbox) to come to a stop while dribbling, with RS as a modifier to set the direction of your hop gather.

Is it any good for anything? Does it ever create space. I haven't used it really, but experimenting, it seems the defense catches up the the ball handler quickly so there's no space.

I use it excessively and yes, it creates space. Best to use it opposite your momentum (stepback J baby). Also can be helpful if the defender goes under a screen and you want the J. When you are passing the screener do the hop gather to get off a quick composed jumper. Better than accidentally doing one of those off balanced drifters.

It is often better to use the right stick though (e.g. stepback is better as all you need to do is hold the stick in the desired direction).

[City_foxx]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

Its great in tripple threat with live dribble from high post too! Catch, face up, jab step, tap square + left stick away, do the black mamba pose for the fans.

[ch46647]

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Is there a penalty for shooting without your feet set? For example, I will run a lot of plays for curry and thompson where they come off a pick. Should i pause for a second after catching to let them set their feet?

I feel like i am missing a lot of shots I should be making.. (Using real fg%)

Thanks!

[ggsimmonds]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

Is there a penalty for shooting without your feet set? For example, I will run a lot of plays for curry and thompson where they come off a pick. Should i pause for a second after catching to let them set their feet?

I feel like i am missing a lot of shots I should be making.. (Using real fg%)

Thanks!

That is what the moving shot attributes control. Some guys are excellent set shooters but struggle shooting off the dribble.

There are a few who have moving attributes higher than standing, but if possible it is generally to square up prior to shooting.

It is sometimes hard if they are coming off a off ball screen though. Depending on space sometimes I trigger a pump fake to get them set.

[JerzeyReign]

Re: #SimNation: Teach Me How Thread

Nice to see this thread still alive and kicking! Went away for a month for some training and it was very cool to see others stepping up and helping each other.

#TeamOS