At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

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  • NDAlum
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    • Jun 2010
    • 11453

    #16
    At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

    Why not just have a 1 v 1 mode for all the guys who want on ball to matter the most. It could be put in classes that restrict height and weight so you are in your one specific class. Then it is truly Mano y Mano

    People seem to crave the direct competition of this game and treat it like you are actually dribbling a basketball in real life. Give them one on one. You can't get any better competition than that


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    • jk31
      MVP
      • Sep 2014
      • 2662

      #17
      Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

      What are you talking about?


      Nobody is talking about playing on the ball 100% of the time...Of course thinks like sending help (which if you understand it literally is playing on the ball, because as soon as you call for help, the help defender gets the new on ball defender), reading passing lanes and so on should be done. What we are talking is people playing of the ball close to 100%! They let you be defended by their AI teammates the whole game. And if I want that, I can play offline...

      And nope, I don't think good onball Defense is impossible. Yeah, it is a little bit harder because if the input delay one has online, but not to a degree where it's impossible.

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      • LO6IX
        Rookie
        • May 2015
        • 324

        #18
        Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

        Playing on ball defense isn't as had as people say depending on your opponent. I made it to the first seed with a crap squad playing on ball and going against zig zaggers and baseline cheesers every game. With patch 4 you're going to get scored on either way but I go online to play against other people.

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        • painter
          Rookie
          • Jul 2015
          • 10

          #19
          Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

          but I go online to play against other people.
          This idea has come up a lot in this thread. Do you guys mean that you'd rather play 1v1 against another user straight up without passing the ball to any of your teammates or running any plays?

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          • KehliahoMauiFootball
            Banned
            • Feb 2014
            • 183

            #20
            Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

            Originally posted by Ownal0t
            LOL AT THE BOLD. You're serious? this is probably the case of 1 or of 10 people off balling online. i just played 4 consecutive games online where offball was being played ( i won 3 of them)

            so tell me if they wana play "simulation Ball" , tell me why when i switch to the guy they are offballing with they run to the next possible defender to avoid getting a stop for them self. tell me why are these same "Simulation players" zig zagging, shooting ill advised 3s the first chance they get and not trying to run a offense. like if you do it so be it, but dont run that BS as a excuse why other do.

            they getting rewarded with undeserved stops while they just watch the game play for them. if i wanted to play the CPU, i play myleague.

            im not saying that you cant beat offballers. hell its funny to watch them **** themselves when they see a PnR in action LMAO, im just saying why does 2k allow them to do this **** .

            Dude you do realize that this on-ball-defense-nazi crap has probably been going on since the inception of sports videogames? lol. The inherent nature of quick match 5on5 = a human controlling 5 guys vs another human controlling 5 guys. No where is it written that it's a 1vs1 mode (you must guard ballhandler). Strategy is figuring out how to control 5 guys, not one. And you have OPTIONS if you want to force everyone to "play their own defense" -- it's called mypark, rec, pro-am, teamup, etc. Hell, that's one of the biggest appeals of playing my player modes: no one can hide behind the CPU, it's all user-generated skill. 'Nuff said.

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            • Ownal0t
              MVP
              • Jul 2014
              • 1244

              #21
              Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

              Ima Try to knock out most of these responses in 1 go. this convo really picked up and i feel that some of the people posting dont even play online cause what they are implying or saying makes no sense. so here we go

              Originally posted by tetoleetd
              playing on ball or off ball doesnt make you "sim" or "cheese". you have 5 players to control on defense. if you are only controlling 1 without switching off to help here and there, then you're just doing yourself a disservice.

              as long as you aren't doing cheesy double teams and playing passing lanes like a cheeser, i couldnt care less if you play off ball d.

              i can agree with this. if you are offballing to make adjustments and what ever so be it. but if you are offballing to run around like a headless chicken and send triple teams like a idiot. come on son. and sadly this is a majority of the off ballers i face. and as i said in the first post, these are also the one who go " OHHHHHHH LOOK AT MY A+ DEFENSE"and take credit for BS. again NOT SAYING THEY CANT LOSE. but playing vs that BS is just stupid

              Originally posted by LO6IX
              Off ball defense is effective because of the terrible floor spacing, terrible floaty, slow passes, terrible catching and what I like to call 'the halfway contest'(When you get an open shot the defender sprints at you and bumps you midway through your shot causing you to miss. Should be a foul everytime)
              Combine that with zone and it becomes even more annoying.


              There may be some hope for 2K16 though. They're trying to go competitive and they MIGHT have to clean up their game
              and that why the above statement about the things people do is so true when i say it makes the game stupid. these same players also run in a zone and make things even worse.

              Originally posted by itchyroll_51
              Hmmm.... 2K allows the option for users to do many things and some people either use them correctly or abuse them.

              Now when i play a game of 2K i play to win. I could care less what the other guy does, I am in it to beat him my way vs his way. Now i understand why you are frustrated facing lower skilled players with inferior tactics; my suggestion to you would be to play high skill level players. Online randoms are going to be bad, join a sim league and all your worries would be over.

              I don't like online head to head, that game mode worsens me as a player even if i win 10 in a row. If you want good basketball stay away from it and join a sim league. Or post a challenge on here for a sim game and i am sure someone will answer the call ^_^

              Sam Pham
              im mainly a offline player but i need my online Fix so i go play myteam mainly. and that mode is just a huge cesspool of garbage as smoove says below. online in this game reminds me of that fort minor song with the percentages about skill and etc. you hardly need a lick of bball iq to be rewarded in this game. hence why we started online leagues back up. we invite people who at least try to run a game of bball. and the second someone tries the offball ALL GAME bs or the other cheese this game has. we opt to get rid of them for our enjoyment, if they wana cheese let them do so it the other game modes. not ours. if that makes me petty, so be it.

              Originally posted by Chris Smoove
              Out of all the games I've played online in My Team this year, maybe 2-3 of those games people were playing on ball defense. Practically everyone you play will control someone away from the ball. It's silly because you go online to play against other people not to play against the CPU.

              It's really all about winning. On ball defense is not easy and most people would rather get a few extra wins than have more fun by truly going head to head. The thing that kills me are settings like "automatic shot contest" Online, there should be no such setting. If you want to contest then you need to hit Y/Triangle to jump yourself.

              2K needs to give us full off ball offensive controls again. That way we can move players around at will. Somebody is playing deny ball defense in the corner? Make him cut back door for the lob. Let us manually go around screens off the ball like Ray Allen style. That would be fun and experienced gamers would have more tools at their disposal to dominate the off ball strategy.

              The most important thing you can do though is play my career on hall of fame. Practicing against the CPU cheese offline will teach you how to get by the CPU. Online the difficulty is never high so you will have it really easy beating them. I've learned how to consistently beat the CPU off the dribble, in the post, with pick and rolls etc so it doesn't even matter if people are playing off ball. It would be much more fun though to play against people that play like me though.

              It really comes down to people wanting to win. Thats why people use cheesy tactics just to give them an edge to compete because they aren't good enough otherwise.

              this whole post is truth people hate trying to get a Honest W (after all a majority of this community seems to be 21 year olds and under from the ammount of things i seen) so i get the puzzle fits. its just sad how people play this game. like the games i play with onballers, are honestly the best games ever and i even get messages at the end of them being gald i played them honestly. but its all good. i jut hate how 2k has so much crutches for people in this game period.


              Originally posted by jk31
              Problem with Offball Defense is the same as with other cheese things:

              As a new player you can either choose the difficult way of learning how to ball or choose the easy way, meaning learn to cheese. The peak of how good you can be is much higher if you learn how to ball. But the problem here is, that by learning cheap moves like offball defense and what not else you will still be quite good.

              If people would get beaten to a pulp everytime by using those cheap moves, would anyone doubt those people would gladly want to learn how to win? I absolutely think so. But it is much easier for a beginner to rely on cheap moves than to actually learn the game the hard way.

              Hard to describe what I mean, but I hope you get what I'm saying?
              i get what you are saying. people hate to learn things they feel are hard and would rather take the easy way out for their enjoyment. hell look at the park right now.people dont wana play basketball. people wana play 2kball. and its being rewarded.

              Originally posted by NDAlum
              Why not just have a 1 v 1 mode for all the guys who want on ball to matter the most. It could be put in classes that restrict height and weight so you are in your one specific class. Then it is truly Mano y Mano

              People seem to crave the direct competition of this game and treat it like you are actually dribbling a basketball in real life. Give them one on one. You can't get any better competition than that


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              WTF?

              Originally posted by painter
              This idea has come up a lot in this thread. Do you guys mean that you'd rather play 1v1 against another user straight up without passing the ball to any of your teammates or running any plays?
              no hell no. like i use my 5 guys on offense and they use their 5 guys on defense. i mean its not that hard to which to the ballhander and play D people online just stay outside the paint with the PF/C and just watch the game be played for them. then when its time to actaully play when the guy they using get the ball they get scared and panic and try to run to the next possible person. im not trying to go into games sizing people up with lebron and only using him. im actaully running a offense.

              Originally posted by KehliahoMauiFootball
              Dude you do realize that this on-ball-defense-nazi crap has probably been going on since the inception of sports videogames? lol. The inherent nature of quick match 5on5 = a human controlling 5 guys vs another human controlling 5 guys. No where is it written that it's a 1vs1 mode (you must guard ballhandler). Strategy is figuring out how to control 5 guys, not one. And you have OPTIONS if you want to force everyone to "play their own defense" -- it's called mypark, rec, pro-am, teamup, etc. Hell, that's one of the biggest appeals of playing my player modes: no one can hide behind the CPU, it's all user-generated skill. 'Nuff said.

              you qouted the EXACT POST WHERE I CALLED THIS OUT. why is what im saying considered being a on ball nazi. is it my fault i come online ot face the HUMAN behind the controller and not CPU? if you are making adjustments and what not on offball, SUre ok w.e

              but when you are LITERALLY DODGING the user player while you trying to be lazy and let the game play for u. then we have a problem

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              • itsOTTOmatic
                Banned
                • Nov 2013
                • 128

                #22
                Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

                Lol at telling other ppl how THEY should play a game. R u ****in serious? Ppl can play however they want. It's a game they paid for. Worry about something else for Christ's sake


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                • Ownal0t
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2014
                  • 1244

                  #23
                  Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

                  You're Right. they can play however they want. i said. if they wana offball so be it multiple times. but my problem is how 2k rewards laziness.

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                  • Jhawkfootball06
                    Pro
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 559

                    #24
                    Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

                    Originally posted by Ownal0t
                    You're Right. they can play however they want. i said. if they wana offball so be it multiple times. but my problem is how 2k rewards laziness.

                    Sounds to me you suck bro and keep wanting to put the blame on 2k instead of getting better.

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                    • NorthPhillyFis
                      Rookie
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 78

                      #25
                      Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

                      Off-Ball Defense=Garbage if u can't get a win playing on-ball defense u trash period Off-Ball anybody can easily play off the ball and only work on offense everybody can't put in work on both sides #FactsOnly
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                      • nova91
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 2074

                        #26
                        Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

                        Originally posted by NorthPhillyFis
                        Off-Ball Defense=Garbage if u can't get a win playing on-ball defense u trash period Off-Ball anybody can easily play off the ball and only work on offense everybody can't put in work on both sides #FactsOnly
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                        Say "No" to railroaded MC modes.

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                        • NorthPhillyFis
                          Rookie
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 78

                          #27
                          Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

                          Originally posted by nova91
                          #OpinionsOnly
                          So it's not easier to sit on a center the whole game on defense and go hard on offense? Lol
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                          • Ownal0t
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2014
                            • 1244

                            #28
                            Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

                            Did you miss the part where I said I win most of these games regardless?

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                            • TheDominator273
                              Rookie
                              • Feb 2013
                              • 1065

                              #29
                              Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

                              Originally posted by NorthPhillyFis
                              So it's not easier to sit on a center the whole game on defense and go hard on offense? Lol
                              I control one player per defensive possession, usually it's the center. I do so because that's the position I played and have the most experience with. It's not simply waiting in the paint to attempt a block. It's positioning for rebounds, making the correct read on pick and roll/fades, closing out on shooters if need be.

                              Why should anyone be forces to guard the man with the ball 100% of the time? I have 5 guys to control and each of them has their own responsibilities, it's up to me as a user to perform those responsibilities for the betterment of my team. If I feel like that is playing with every guy on ball 100% of the time or if I stick with one player per possession that's my decision and how I choose to play to give my team the best chance to win.

                              Now off ball defense where the user switches away from the player if their responsibility gets the ball is something that I have no respect for. Those are the people who are putting in no work to play the game like it's truly basketball. I find those type of people typically are the ones who take the shortcuts on offense too and zig zag for 3s or attempt to play hero ball all game.

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                              • NorthPhillyFis
                                Rookie
                                • Oct 2014
                                • 78

                                #30
                                Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

                                Originally posted by lbj273
                                I control one player per defensive possession, usually it's the center. I do so because that's the position I played and have the most experience with. It's not simply waiting in the paint to attempt a block. It's positioning for rebounds, making the correct read on pick and roll/fades, closing out on shooters if need be.

                                Why should anyone be forces to guard the man with the ball 100% of the time? I have 5 guys to control and each of them has their own responsibilities, it's up to me as a user to perform those responsibilities for the betterment of my team. If I feel like that is playing with every guy on ball 100% of the time or if I stick with one player per possession that's my decision and how I choose to play to give my team the best chance to win.

                                Now off ball defense where the user switches away from the player if their responsibility gets the ball is something that I have no respect for. Those are the people who are putting in no work to play the game like it's truly basketball. I find those type of people typically are the ones who take the shortcuts on offense too and zig zag for 3s or attempt to play hero ball all game.
                                Bro nobody is forcing you to do anything play how u want lol nobody plays on the ball 100% of the time just sayin when u strap a dude up on ya own it's different from watching a computer do it for you of course there's situations where you can't play on ball like during pick and rolls, u see a perfect opportunity to jump a pass or when the computer jus decides for some reason they wanna leave Klay Thompson wide open for some reason lol u switch off deal with that and then get back to strapping up that's what the ballers do separate the boys from the men but by all means play how u play I can beat anybody idc how you play I just got more respect for on ball defenders
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