There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

[manu1433]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

let's see it

you should be more than willing to help us out....

[2_headedmonster]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

let's see it

you should be more than willing to help us out....

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Superstar Sim. Turned off Rick and Morty and threw this together at 2:30 am, forgive the sloppiness. Threw a clip of Roberson cooking Shump on a ISO at the end to show it doesn't have to be a star as well.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

2_headedmonster just won the thread.

[manu1433]

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2_headedmonster just won the thread.

Except no sliders are shown, no difficulty is shown and video is edited. I want to see him do it in a game consistently and show his sliders and difficulty at the beginning of the game no edit.

If you notice the score he took several tries to put those together. Appeared that love and mozgov are the victims of as well...love and mozgov have very poor lateral quickness

On lebron he hit the step back it didn't really register as a contest



So basically 1 step back and beating a couple of big men off the dribble took him several takes to do with one of the best players in the game...the score was like 17 to 8 by the time he pulled off that spin

How many tries that take? I assume Cleveland wasn't scoring on you everytime so I'm guessing maybe 10?

[Smirkin Dirk]

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J

Except no sliders are shown, no difficulty is shown and video is edited. I want to see him do it in a game consistently and show his sliders and difficulty at the beginning of the game no edit.

If you notice the score he took several tries to put those together. Appeared that love and mozgov are the victims of the lso the victim as well...love and mozgov have very poor lateral quickness

On lebron he hit the step back whibe bch didn't really register as a contest

So basically 1 step back and beating a couple of big men off the dribble took him several takes to do with one of the best players in the game

Dude, you asked for a video, and you got it.

Judging by sales figures and reviews and posts on here, many people love the game. If you don't see anything positive in it, trade it in.

[manu1433]

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Dude, you asked for a video, and you got it.

Judging by sales figures and reviews and posts on here, many people love the game. If you don't see anything positive in it, trade it in.

He sure went out of his way you do the opposite of what I requested

He went into scrimmage because there is no shot clock. He also edited out the plays he didn't want you see because he wasn't consistently pulling off the dribble moves.

We know you can beat the CPU in singular instances.. Nobody has ever disputed that and isn't the issue and is precisely why I want to see it in a game.

There is video evidence of warping, psychic defense, and hell, some dude even posted a video of steve Nash floating up from from the ground to recover on defense like he was vampire.

I want to see this pulled off consistently in a game because you are going to see the CPU start acting funky....it is inevitable over the course of an entire game.

I love the game a lot, which is why I want to make it even better than it currently is. If I didn't love the game and didn't respect the people who work on it, I wouldn't waste my time here.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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He sure went out of his way you do the opposite of what I requested

He went into scrimmage because there is no shot clock He also edited out the plays he didn't want you see because he wasn't consistently pulling off the dribble moves.

He can play the game.

If you can't or havent got the ability to practise, then trade it in.

We know you can beat the CPU in singular instances..

Just like in real life. As someone with League Pass, I can assure you that isolation blow bys are pretty rare.

In a post the other day, I catalogued every shot in a half of Cavs basketball. Only 3 of their 40 odd shots involved penetration off isolation.

If you want heaps more rioght stick penetration and dunks, this may not be the game for you. Or play it on casual settings.

There is video evidence of warping, psychic defense, and hell, some dude even posted a video of steve Nash floating up from from the ground to recover on defense like he was vampire.

Nobody has disputed there are some instances of wonky physics. Its a game.

[Sundown]

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He sure went out of his way you do the opposite of what I requested

He went into scrimmage because there is no shot clock. He also edited out the plays he didn't want you see because he wasn't consistently pulling off the dribble moves.

We know you can beat the CPU in singular instances.. Nobody has ever disputed that and isn't the issue and is precisely why I want to see it in a game.

There is video evidence of warping, psychic defense, and hell, some dude even posted a video of steve Nash floating up from from the ground to recover on defense like he was vampire.

I want to see this pulled off consistently in a game because you are going to see the CPU start acting funky....it is inevitable over the course of an entire game.

I love the game a lot, which is why I want to make it even better than it currently is. If I didn't love the game and didn't respect the people who work on it, I wouldn't waste my time here.

You're basically asking him to do something repeatedly in a short span that would essentially be cheese if possible "consistently" in a game. I don't want cheese.

Even Durant doesn't iso and hit shots repeatedly possession after possession after possession on command.

Now if elite players like Durant and Curry could hit more shots off the dribble, that's something I would be in favor of, though I need more stick time to say whether it's harder than it should be.

If I remember you may have also asked for video of three Curry green three pointers in a row. I'm not sure why you're set on being convinced only by video that would essentially be cheesy and unrealistic gameplay.

I'm one of those that wants CPU defense to be tweaked for authenticity's sake, but I do NOT want to see Durant hit 5 isos on command. I do NOT want to see three perfect Curry green releases. Either being common place would be cheese, and I'm not sure what is proved by demanding video evidence of said cheese. Being able to do that with regularity would break the game, and I consider the difficulty and rarity of such extreme examples a positive.

[CanOfCornCobb]

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I play on Superstar sim and ill admit it get frustrated from time to time, but i think its the way it has to be. Last year I was able to give a few hesitation moves with Giannis and blow by for an easy dunk almost every time when I got a good mismatch. I dont like anything to be automatic when I have a great mismatch, but overall I want to win most of the time on those mismatches and I do. Nothing comes easy on Superstar or HOF and that's the way it should be. If you want to blow by your defender more on these difficulties then lower the CPU on ball def and have a nice day. I dont want a patch screwing up the game for this since we have sliders for almost every aspect of it.

[king doe]

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Have you guys that plays almost exclusively against the ai like i do tried playing the game without the day one patch? If not try that and see if you like the diffrence.

[seanbarkley]

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If you can't or havent got the ability to practise, then trade it in.

C'mon man, we are all here to discuss and we have the right to have our own opinions, that kind of attitude isn't constructive at all.

I'm with you all that the game is more challenging and feels great when you break that fierce defense but IMO the way they made it isn't too realistic.

In real NBA you don't have a defender glued to your *** 24/7 (until the last 5 minutes of the game) and this is what makes many people frustrated. It's really hard leaving your defender behind even running plays correctly, and the solution they find when you have 6 in the clock and they have their defender glued is some ISO (which is really hard to accomplish). The problem is not this second part, is the first, is too hard finding some space to shoot regular jumpshots because you defender is glued, and that's what makes people try ISO too much and get angry.

This game rewards you when you get rid of your defender and punish you when you defender is in front of you, which is cool, but does it in a really extreme way. You know it's almost impossible getting a bucket out of a contested shot, and you know that almost every shot free goes in. This should be kinda balanced to let some contested shots go in and viceversa (which is what happens in real life). This way perimeter defender could leave you some space to shoot and won't make users try ISO all the time to get rid of the defender. That would make the game much more realistic IMO

English is not my natuve language so I hope this all makes some sense...

[bo.jangles344]

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My 2 cents: badges are everything and so is speed and dribble rating.

Still a bit of sliding and there are times when I'm forcing it and the game makes me pay. But yes, about a week of playing you get the hang of it.

I actually miss not blowing by every defender now. Was more challenging.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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C'mon man, we are all here to discuss and we have the right to have our own opinions, that kind of attitude isn't constructive at all.

I think it constructive for some players. The game they are after (lots of iso, penetration every possession, dunks) isnt this game. If they will keep getting frustrated, either switch the style to arcade or arcade or casual or whatever they call it, or find a game that better suits their needs.

The informed posters have been posting vids here about using plays, using picks properly, using angles, looking for mismatches.

Ive posted videos about recognising which bigs drop back on pick and rolls and. Put them in in pick and rolls and there are your mid range Js.

Problem is people just want to wiggle the sticks a couple of times, get by their man and dunk. This isnt that game. It can be if they knock it down to casual. But they want a casual arcade experience from a sim game.

This way perimeter defender could leave you some space to shoot and won't make users try ISO all the time to get rid of the defender. That would make the game much more realistic IMO

The alternative is defenders conceding wide open 3s to Durant/Curry etc, which doesnt happen. If they body you up, use picks. Flip them. Call for a dribble hand off. Do a X/Square jumper.

The game gives users options. Its up to us to learn them, rather than beg for a patch.

And Ive actually said that poor defenders can be too sticky sometimes, and contested shots need to go in at a higher %. Im not riding 2K.

[seanbarkley]

There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

The alternative is defenders conceding wide open 3s to Durant/Curry etc, which doesnt happen. If they body you up, use picks. Flip them. Call for a dribble hand off. Do a X/Square jumper.

All the options you are providing is for getting you player free for a shot but, sincerely, how many of the shots Durant or Curry make in any game are contested shots? A lot.

And Ive actually said that poor defenders can be too sticky sometimes, and contested shots need to go in at a higher %. Im not riding 2K.

EXACTLY! Contested shots need to go in in a higher %, AND uncontested should be missed in a higher percentage too!

Let me be clear with this: ISO difficulty is OK the way it is, I don't want a blacktop fest either, but IMO the level of stalking of defenders in the perimeter every minute of the game is too high and unrealistic.

[Sundown]

There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

C'mon man, we are all here to discuss and we have the right to have our own opinions, that kind of attitude isn't constructive at all.

I'm with you all that the game is more challenging and feels great when you break that fierce defense but IMO the way they made it isn't too realistic.

In real NBA you don't have a defender glued to your *** 24/7 (until the last 5 minutes of the game) and this is what makes many people frustrated. It's really hard leaving your defender behind even running plays correctly, and the solution they find when you have 6 in the clock and they have their defender glued is some ISO (which is really hard to accomplish). The problem is not this second part, is the first, is too hard finding some space to shoot regular jumpshots because you defender is glued, and that's what makes people try ISO too much and get angry.

This game rewards you when you get rid of your defender and punish you when you defender is in front of you, which is cool, but does it in a really extreme way. You know it's almost impossible getting a bucket out of a contested shot, and you know that almost every shot free goes in. This should be kinda balanced to let some contested shots go in and viceversa (which is what happens in real life). This way perimeter defender could leave you some space to shoot and won't make users try ISO all the time to get rid of the defender. That would make the game much more realistic IMO

English is not my natuve language so I hope this all makes some sense...

When a defender is glued to you, it should actually be EASIER to drive past them. Not harder. Da Czar (or was it OG) talked about how this year we need to either sag on the ai to prevent drives or crowd them to take away jump shots, or split the difference, because that's how real NBA defense works. You can no longer just crowd the AI shooter to take away both their shot and their drive.

This doesn't seem to apply to the AI when they crowd players with poor defenders. If the AI doesn't have to pick its poison on defense and decide what to concede, it's not sim basketball.

Anyway I have to say I don't have a problem with difficulty as a whole on All-Star. But I'm not seeing particularly realistic NBA perimeter defense on ball. It's fine difficulty wise because I move the ball as GSW and I avoid the iso problem for the most part, but I haven't been able to really get Curry to go to work like he does.