Hyperbole in ratings...

[DC]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

At some point you have to put down a damn stat sheet and watch a basketball game. Derozan and Rose's Mid-Range ratings are wrong, just straight up wrong.

Why can't you do both?

[Mikelopedia]

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If you want to say Derrick Rose deserves a 79 Moving Mid Range shot (he's shooting 36.4% on dribble pull up jump shots) then would you give Mo Williams a 90 Moving Mid Range (46.5% dribble pull up) and Arron Afflalo a 99? (55.6%)

[harryl]

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If you want to say Derrick Rose deserves a 79 Moving Mid Range shot (he's shooting 36.4% on dribble pull up jump shots) then would you give Mo Williams a 90 Moving Mid Range (46.5% dribble pull up) and Arron Afflalo a 99? (55.6%)

No, because he would watch a game of theirs, upon which his eyeballs would intuit the correct rating.

[CaseIH]

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Ratings are always going to be subjective, and actually ratings are better now than they use to be. Yes there is some ratings that dont quite seem right, for example Jeremy Lin being rated the same as George Hill, is odd, Hill is a better player than Lin is both offensively and defensively. Still when I think back to how things were before Beds was hired to do rosters, its hard to get too upset. Tendencies is where there is some real issues and what I really thought would get cleaned up when Beds went there, but thats not happened.

I do think because of ego's of NBA players probably makes it hard for 2k to actually rate a guy true to form, because if the roster was rated right, we had some players with a lot lower ratings. As much as I hate having to edit, we do have that available to us, so we can rerate however we want, even though technically we shouldnt have to do that considering what the cost of a game is, but it tends to be that way in all sports games.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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Can you guys give an example of tendencies being way off? I did my own roster edit and didnt find a whole lot that was wrong.

[wodi]

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Ratings are too high, they don't use the lower end of the scale enough..... Diminishes the superstar impact.

I've seen teams win championships with just by being deep and having a bunch of low 80's which are too abundant.

[8KB24]

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Ratings are too high, they don't use the lower end of the scale enough..... Diminishes the superstar impact.

I've seen teams win championships with just by being deep and having a bunch of low 80's which are too abundant.

So basically Detroit in 04?

[wodi]

Hyperbole in ratings...

Nah 2k woulda had those guys rated in the mid to upper 80's.

I'm taking about a sixers team for instance winning in year 3, with okafor, Noel, embiid, and 2 rookies rated in the low 80's or upper 70's.

Or teams with leBron not making the playoffs. The impact superstars have in the game is not consistent with the way it is in real life. A simple major factor is the abundance of 70s and 80s.

Do we really think enes kanter should be rated in the 80's? Haha

It's fun for guys to play with better rated players in the other modes, but in association mode, it causes in my opinion a negative impact.

[CaseIH]

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Can you guys give an example of tendencies being way off? I did my own roster edit and didnt find a whole lot that was wrong.

For me personally I havent dug into the NBA players as much as I have the classic teams along with the Euro's since Ive been waiting for the right roster to edit for a My League, but the classic players and Euro players are really bad in some cases. I have heard they are a mess with NBA as well, but I cant say those are a mess to be honest, altthough have notice a few oddities, but cant say as a whole they are a mess as some have.

[CaseIH]

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Ratings are too high, they don't use the lower end of the scale enough..... Diminishes the superstar impact.

I've seen teams win championships with just by being deep and having a bunch of low 80's which are too abundant.

Thats my thoughts exactly, but as I said in a earlier thread I do wonder if because of the egos these players have now days dont play a role in the inflation of overalls as a whole. The whole rating scale really needs to be used, not saying we need guys rated in the 20's or 30's overall necessarily, but there definitely not a wide enough gap between elite/good/ average/benchwarmers in the league.

[Mikelopedia]

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Can you guys give an example of tendencies being way off? I did my own roster edit and didnt find a whole lot that was wrong.

I don't mean to come off as sarcastic or anything man, but I'm not sure you looked very closely.

Any big man who started shooting more 3's this year such as Humphries or Cousins has a 1 or 2 for 3 point shot

Almost all drive tendencies for perimeter players are too high. Actually using NBA.com's player tracking to scale these would be helpful for making players such as Steph Curry play like Steph Curry. He should be at about 40.

Shot under basket is too low across the board which leads to low points in paint stats in the sim engine

Steal tendencies and block tendencies havent been touched in about a year. (Jerami Grant has a 38 block shot tendency and Whiteside has a 64!)

Pass to open man tendencies are not updated to match updates to passing ratings (this is true for every tendency that goes hand in hand with a rating)

Putback tendencies are too low across the board, raising them will produce more tip in layup and dunk animations.

Random players have very high dribble or post tendencies. Metta World Peace for example is apparently Hakeem Olajuwon.

Shot tendencies havent been touched at all. Ever wonder why CJ McCollum doesnt score like he should and Lillard averages 30 in MyLeague? Check CJ's tendencies.


These are just a handful of examples as you can literally go through each tendency and find a multitude of inconsistencies, inaccuracies and potential fixes to gameplay or sim engine issues. It would take me about 24-30 hours to fix the entire league which I plan to do once all jerseys are released and team colors are fixed as each jersey is worn.
However I'm holding out small hope that there will be a mid season league wide tendency update since Beds has confirmed there will be a badge update around that time. Although it could be wishful thinking, badges are alot more popular than tendencies :/

[Smirkin Dirk]

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I don't mean to come off as sarcastic or anything man, but I'm not sure you looked very closely.

No offense taken.

The ones you mentioned I was aware of. Were you using an old roster? Because Im sure a lot of the shot tendencies were fixed up.

[Real2KInsider]

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They said that ratings were going to be on an "all-time" scale this year? So you give Kristaps Porzingis a 92 mid-range while Dirk has an 89?

I mean at some point you need to start rating the guys like they actually play instead of bumping random ratings just to boost a guys OVR rating....no chance in hell Porzingis is better mid range jump shooter than Dirk,

Mid-Range
Porzingis (92/91): 27-51 (53%) - Ast'd 74%
Dirk (89/86): 45-102 (44%) - Ast'd 82%

That is the lowest shooting percentage Dirk has had in over 10 years.
It is likewise clear he isn't doing a ton off the dribble.

Close-Range
Dirk (95/94): 58-112 (52%) - Ast'd 33%
Porzingis (80/80): 40-113 (35%) - Ast'd 53%

One of these is not the same as the other.

You got Okafor who has been dominating as of late

Okafor
15.9 PER
49.8 TS% on 27.9 USG% (Only player w/ worse ratio is Kobe)
7.8 ORB% (Average shot distance: 6.0 feet, which makes this a poor rate)
19.4 DRB% (Poor for a center)
8.0 AST%
0.4 STL% (Awful)
3.2 BLK%

"Dominating". You do understand what the word "hyperbole" means, right?

he bodied Towns in their head to head matchup and he bodied Porzingis last night yet He actually went DOWN a few points while Porzingis is an 81 OVR...?

Towns
22.2 PER
58.8 TS% on 24.0 USG%
10.0 ORB% (Average Shot Distance: 9.5 Feet)
26.2 DRB%
6.2 AST%
1.2 STL%
6.0 BLK%

Porzingis
18.1 PER
51.9 TS% on 23.6 USG%
8.8 ORB% (Average Shot Distance: 12.5 feet)
22.9 DRB%
6.8 AST%
1.4 STL%
5.5 BLK%

Swap out either player with Okafor and the Sixers would have a better record than 1-27.

Derrick Rose I mean we all know his shooting isn't his forte, but he has a 66 moving mid-range? He can hit that pull up jumper and he does it quite frequently...in terms of MOVING mid-range he should have probably a 76-79...

Rose (65/66): 16-55 (29%) - Ast'd 19%
DeRozan (68/70): 37-112 (33%) - Ast'd 30%
Rondo (72/72): 26-75 (35%) - Ast'd 27%

Dominating
Frequently
Bread and butter

Hyperbolic statements in a topic meant to criticize such practices

Same for Demar Derozan...Yes the dude has taken the second most FT's in the league behind Harden, we know he can get to the rim with ease, but his mid-range game is his bread and butter yet for some reason he has a SIXTY EIGHT in both categories...what?

Does this look like someone with a 68 OVR mid-range?

*Proceeds to post a video where the player takes one shot from mid-range.*

[Mikelopedia]

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No offense taken.

The ones you mentioned I was aware of. Were you using an old roster? Because Im sure a lot of the shot tendencies were fixed up.

Yes I use the official roster everyday, but unfortunately no, tendencies have not been updated this year. The only updates have been like I said, changing players like Cousins and Humphries 3 point tendency from 0 to 1 or 2

[SonicMage]

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I don't mean to come off as sarcastic or anything man, but I'm not sure you looked very closely.

Any big man who started shooting more 3's this year such as Humphries or Cousins has a 1 or 2 for 3 point shot

Almost all drive tendencies for perimeter players are too high. Actually using NBA.com's player tracking to scale these would be helpful for making players such as Steph Curry play like Steph Curry. He should be at about 40.

Shot under basket is too low across the board which leads to low points in paint stats in the sim engine

Steal tendencies and block tendencies havent been touched in about a year. (Jerami Grant has a 38 block shot tendency and Whiteside has a 64!)

Pass to open man tendencies are not updated to match updates to passing ratings (this is true for every tendency that goes hand in hand with a rating)

Putback tendencies are too low across the board, raising them will produce more tip in layup and dunk animations.

Random players have very high dribble or post tendencies. Metta World Peace for example is apparently Hakeem Olajuwon.

Shot tendencies havent been touched at all. Ever wonder why CJ McCollum doesnt score like he should and Lillard averages 30 in MyLeague? Check CJ's tendencies.


These are just a handful of examples as you can literally go through each tendency and find a multitude of inconsistencies, inaccuracies and potential fixes to gameplay or sim engine issues. It would take me about 24-30 hours to fix the entire league which I plan to do once all jerseys are released and team colors are fixed as each jersey is worn.
However I'm holding out small hope that there will be a mid season league wide tendency update since Beds has confirmed there will be a badge update around that time. Although it could be wishful thinking, badges are alot more popular than tendencies :/

Agreed with everything you've said here. I'd also like to add that it's not just Under Basket Tendency but also the Layup and Dunk tendencies that need to be raised to see good PITP stats.

Basically all tendencies in general have league wide issues. Touches was the only one I've seen so far done correctly at launch based on last year's stats, and then they haven't been updated properly since. You might want to take a peek at what I've done over in my Sportscrunch Ratings thread in the Rosters subforum, I think you'll get a kick out of it.