Hyperbole in ratings...

[Nevertheles109]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

Mid-Range
Porzingis (92/91): 27-51 (53%) - Ast'd 74%
Dirk (89/86): 45-102 (44%) - Ast'd 82%

That is the lowest shooting percentage Dirk has had in over 10 years.
It is likewise clear he isn't doing a ton off the dribble.

Close-Range
Dirk (95/94): 58-112 (52%) - Ast'd 33%
Porzingis (80/80): 40-113 (35%) - Ast'd 53%

One of these is not the same as the other.




Okafor
15.9 PER
49.8 TS% on 27.9 USG% (Only player w/ worse ratio is Kobe)
7.8 ORB% (Average shot distance: 6.0 feet, which makes this a poor rate)
19.4 DRB% (Poor for a center)
8.0 AST%
0.4 STL% (Awful)
3.2 BLK%

"Dominating". You do understand what the word "hyperbole" means, right?




Towns
22.2 PER
58.8 TS% on 24.0 USG%
10.0 ORB% (Average Shot Distance: 9.5 Feet)
26.2 DRB%
6.2 AST%
1.2 STL%
6.0 BLK%

Porzingis
18.1 PER
51.9 TS% on 23.6 USG%
8.8 ORB% (Average Shot Distance: 12.5 feet)
22.9 DRB%
6.8 AST%
1.4 STL%
5.5 BLK%

Swap out either player with Okafor and the Sixers would have a better record than 1-27.




Rose (65/66): 16-55 (29%) - Ast'd 19%
DeRozan (68/70): 37-112 (33%) - Ast'd 30%
Rondo (72/72): 26-75 (35%) - Ast'd 27%

Dominating
Frequently
Bread and butter

Hyperbolic statements in a topic meant to criticize such practices



*Proceeds to post a video where the player takes one shot from mid-range.*

Man, I was in the cut waiting for you to chime in. The truth like sojourner strikes again

[Mikelopedia]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

Agreed with everything you've said here. I'd also like to add that it's not just Under Basket Tendency but also the Layup and Dunk tendencies that need to be raised to see good PITP stats.

Basically all tendencies in general have league wide issues. Touches was the only one I've seen so far done correctly at launch based on last year's stats, and then they haven't been updated properly since. You might want to take a peek at what I've done over in my Sportscrunch Ratings thread in the Rosters subforum, I think you'll get a kick out of it.

Yeah basically all of those work hand in hand, the drive, attack basket, driving/standing layup/dunk, shot under basket tendencies.

Yes Touches were much improved, but as you said, have not been updated for guys who are more involved this year. Of course as usual theres the occasional off the wall rookie touch tendency as well, but nowhere near as bad as in years past. This is the tendency that takes me the least amount of time to edit for sure. Helpful when my daily course of action is to spend an hour editing the two teams I'm using to play a quick game with. Lol

For sure man, I've seen your work, you do a fantastic job! It was very reassuring to see that whatever your formulas are, end up producing very similar numbers to what I come up with haha. Makes me feel alright about myself lmao.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

Im pretty sure Pat Beverly is going to take 15 shots regardless of tendency changes. Ive got his touches and shots in the 30s, not play types. Slightly frustrating.

[Mikelopedia]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

Im pretty sure Pat Beverly is going to take 15 shots regardless of tendency changes. Ive got his touches and shots in the 30s, not play types. Slightly frustrating.

You talking in the sim engine or during gameplay?

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

You talking in the sim engine or during gameplay?

Gameplay .

[SonicMage]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

Im pretty sure Pat Beverly is going to take 15 shots regardless of tendency changes. Ive got his touches and shots in the 30s, not play types. Slightly frustrating.

Remove his "Play Initiator".

[Swagger Jack]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

Mid-Range
Porzingis (92/91): 27-51 (53%) - Ast'd 74%
Dirk (89/86): 45-102 (44%) - Ast'd 82%

That is the lowest shooting percentage Dirk has had in over 10 years.
It is likewise clear he isn't doing a ton off the dribble.

Close-Range
Dirk (95/94): 58-112 (52%) - Ast'd 33%
Porzingis (80/80): 40-113 (35%) - Ast'd 53%

One of these is not the same as the other.




Okafor
15.9 PER
49.8 TS% on 27.9 USG% (Only player w/ worse ratio is Kobe)
7.8 ORB% (Average shot distance: 6.0 feet, which makes this a poor rate)
19.4 DRB% (Poor for a center)
8.0 AST%
0.4 STL% (Awful)
3.2 BLK%

"Dominating". You do understand what the word "hyperbole" means, right?




Towns
22.2 PER
58.8 TS% on 24.0 USG%
10.0 ORB% (Average Shot Distance: 9.5 Feet)
26.2 DRB%
6.2 AST%
1.2 STL%
6.0 BLK%

Porzingis
18.1 PER
51.9 TS% on 23.6 USG%
8.8 ORB% (Average Shot Distance: 12.5 feet)
22.9 DRB%
6.8 AST%
1.4 STL%
5.5 BLK%

Swap out either player with Okafor and the Sixers would have a better record than 1-27.




Rose (65/66): 16-55 (29%) - Ast'd 19%
DeRozan (68/70): 37-112 (33%) - Ast'd 30%
Rondo (72/72): 26-75 (35%) - Ast'd 27%

Dominating
Frequently
Bread and butter

Hyperbolic statements in a topic meant to criticize such practices



*Proceeds to post a video where the player takes one shot from mid-range.*

He shot 3 mid range jumpers in the timestamp that I posted but ok, guess we aren't doing reading comprehension today...And at the time of the OP I'm pretty sure he had had 4 straight 20 point games...pretty dominant for a rookie (haven't seen any of the other rookies do that but ok) and tbh anyone that thinks KAT or KP would change the Sixers record doesn't know basketball.

And back on the point of badges who tf gave Deangelo Russell 19 badges?

[Goffs]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

Slightly off topic but who do you guys recommend for custom rosters? I want to see the gameplay changes when tendencies are actually touched.

[QNo]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

All of these complaints are valid, yet nothing compared to what they've done in MyTeam. They've started releasing Diamond throwback players. A 96 OVR Jamal Crawford was the first. Other cards we know are going to come are JR Smith, Ty Lawson, Kyrie, Luis Scola, Kevin Love. All of them are 96 OVR or higher. The JR will likely be better than any version of MJ to come. They haven't even released most of the legends yet but at this point they don't even have to bother anymore. Why get excited for a Rockets T-Mac, Raptors Vince, or Karl Malone when guys like JR Smith and Luis Scola will have much better cards released earlier in the game cycle?

Why, instead of fixing the dozens of players that have clearly wrong ratings, badges, player models, tendencies, do they release fantasy cards at this point in the game? Throwing the HoF rating scale out of the window? Well not technically since JR's offensive consistency is not a 99 but only a 98. 98 ratings are becoming last year's 99s.

The saddest thing about all of this is that the community isn't even in uproar about this. 2k have done such a poor job with this game mode over the last years that people are shrugging, 'hey, at least they're doing something'. No attempt to even hide anymore that the game mode is nothing bug a huge money grab.

[suh90beast]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

Ratings are too high, they don't use the lower end of the scale enough..... Diminishes the superstar impact.

I've seen teams win championships with just by being deep and having a bunch of low 80's which are too abundant.

The hornets won the chip in myleauge with a bunch of 80s and 70s

Sent from a stoner in New Orleans

[redsox4evur]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

Slightly off topic but who do you guys recommend for custom rosters? I want to see the gameplay changes when tendencies are actually touched.

On X1 SimWorld they are hoping to get it out soon. I think they are aiming for Christmas release date.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

He shot 3 mid range jumpers in the timestamp that I posted but ok, guess we aren't doing reading comprehension today...

Close Shot =/= Mid-Range Shot

And at the time of the OP I'm pretty sure he had had 4 straight 20 point games...pretty dominant for a rookie (haven't seen any of the other rookies do that but ok)

22 PPG on 19 FGA isn't dominant, particularly when the player is bringing nothing else to the table.

and tbh anyone that thinks KAT or KP would change the Sixers record doesn't know basketball.

Good luck finding anyone who agrees that opinion.

It's obvious either player would be a significantly better fit next to Nerlens Noel simply due to spacing, much less the defense and rebounding either would provide.

Nevermind that the Knicks and Wolves are significantly better than last year due to the contributions of said players, while the Sixers had FOUR times as many wins this time last year.

[phriscaul]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

Close Shot =/= Mid-Range Shot



22 PPG on 19 FGA isn't dominant, particularly when the player is bringing nothing else to the table.



Good luck finding anyone who agrees that opinion.

It's obvious either player would be a significantly better fit next to Nerlens Noel simply due to spacing, much less the defense and rebounding either would provide.

Nevermind that the Knicks and Wolves are significantly better than last year due to the contributions of said players, while the Sixers had FOUR times as many wins this time last year.

bruh. come on. the knicks and wolves have better pieces as a whole. they have go-to offensive players. knockdown shooters, actual offensive systems, somewhat of a bench. the 76ers have none of this. only dropping KAT or KP into this setup still isnt going to change the teams outcome much more than whats going on now. the 76ers are just trash

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

bruh. come on. the knicks and wolves have better pieces as a whole. they have go-to offensive players. knockdown shooters, actual offensive systems, somewhat of a bench. the 76ers have none of this. only dropping KAT or KP into this setup still isnt going to change the teams outcome much more than whats going on now. the 76ers are just trash

Porzingis is the 2nd best player on a 14-14 Knicks team (5-25 this time last year).

Towns is the best player on a 11-16 Wolves team (5-21 this time last year).

Okafor is the best player on a 1-28 Sixers team (4-26 this time last year).
Their offense still ranks 30th, but the defense has gone from 13th to 26th.

Porzingis/Noel
Towns/Noel
Noel/Okafor

Anyone who thinks either player would have as negative an impact on the defense (the reason PHI was ever able to squeeze out wins despite their lack of talent) as Okafor has had is straight up lying.

Never mind the hilarity in arguing a player on a 1-28 team should go up in rating. The numbers are crystal clear from multiple angles that Okafor is far from "dominant".

[jeebs9]

Re: Hyperbole in ratings...

I have to say... there are other ratings in play when it comes to certain ratings. I saw the OP compare Dirk and Porzingis. Offensive consistent has a lot to do with it.