Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

[benton32]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

To me i feel like the defense looks alil lost at times sloppy confused, guys play to loose, leaving guys just outta the blue, I see one guy just leave his opponent down low i dunno if maybe they were doing the double team at the time, but dude was left wide open underneath,

[psydefx]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

I don't want my players to get every steal, make the proper rotation every time and defend every pick and roll perfectly but the simple breakdowns that they have defensively is inexcusable. I'm talking stuff like this



The CPU can't even properly pick up its man in transition. It's literally backpedaling out of bounds, I mean come on now. And this is with my onball/offball settings set to Auto. I give up about 5-10+ points every game just off the strength of the AI being absolutely clueless about what they're supposed to do.

this issue is still present as of 1.06.

[JoFri]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

Completely 100% agree.



I like to play on-ball defense most of the time where I guard the opponent with the ball and it's incredibly frustrating when I can clearly see in the corner of my eye, my A.I teammate just sagging off a three-point shooter, or giving me unnecessary help. Mind you, I play on Superstar difficulty with Superstar sliders (no changes made) and ACE off.

in 2k16, this sagging is extra sensitive - once the roll man is slightly open the off-side help is triggered right away. that was why i played no hedge and go over for all.

in 2k17, i'll be trying the hedge again as i notice the cpu offensive ai has been improved (if i take the first step to the spot to anticipate the cpu driving direction using the screen the cpu will drive the other direction away from the screen man). i only worry that the off-side help defense trigger could easily trigger.

anyone try "off" the help defense for all and yor cpu defenders really not helping? if blown assignment is frequent, from what i see its best not to turn that off then


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[raiderphantom]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

There are tons of glaring issues on this game, and countless more subtle ones as well. I know its hard to make a game in less than a year, but previous 2K versions have gotten way more of the basics right. I know this game has more layers which complicates things, but the basics have to be a priority imo.

[meccs]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

It's frustrating in MyCareer. The CPU seems to be confused who to guard at times, especially during PnR situations and at the start of the play. He also seems to have little to no awareness if he is guarding a shooter or not, sagging too much. He also has issues deciding what is the best way to go around an off ball screen, often choosing the longer way through the crowded paint instead of going around on the outside.

[MadManCometh]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

There are tons of glaring issues on this game, and countless more subtle ones as well. I know its hard to make a game in less than a year, but previous 2K versions have gotten way more of the basics right. I know this game has more layers which complicates things, but the basics have to be a priority imo.

This is why I don't understand why the devs keep expanding and adding elements to the game If your basic core game play is broken. If your car has a flaw in the the transmission u don't buy add-on features. Fix your engine FIRST!!!

The devs are working backwards. They have failed and ignored problems and it's unacceptable. IMO, there is no point in patches as long as the defense remains broken. I just played an online game with my PG did exactly this and allowed Lowry to dribble Down court and hit 3 wide open 3s at the top of the Key. My PG was no where in the picture aND was lost in the paint area. That's 9 points. So again, i ask the devs, so how does this latest patch fix your game???

[emmanuelk1]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

This is why I don't understand why the devs keep expanding and adding elements to the game If your basic core game play is broken. If your car has a flaw in the the transmission u don't buy add-on features. Fix your engine FIRST!!!

The devs are working backwards. They have failed and ignored problems and it's unacceptable. IMO, there is no point in patches as long as the defense remains broken. I just played an online game with my PG did exactly this and allowed Lowry to dribble Down court and hit 3 wide open 3s at the top of the Key. My PG was no where in the picture aND was lost in the paint area. That's 9 points. So again, i ask the devs, so how does this latest patch fix your game???

this is why they should stop with all that garbage online modes, historical and my career things and just focus on current NBA teams so they have enough space to really put a more authentic and realistic game, talking as simulation my league like the old days.no need for this money making modes.

[TheShizNo1]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

I understand people are angry at issues in the game that they feel are being ignored, but calling the devs lazy and trashing other aspects of the game probably isn't going to help you fix your problem either.

I've seen some constructive basketball posts in here and a lot of the others are just complaining. If you're gonna provide real life basketball examples and discuss what the game could do better; awesome. If you're going to complain about how the game is deprived because of others game modes, take that somwhere else, please.

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[psydefx]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

I don't want my players to get every steal, make the proper rotation every time and defend every pick and roll perfectly but the simple breakdowns that they have defensively is inexcusable. I'm talking stuff like this



The CPU can't even properly pick up its man in transition. It's literally backpedaling out of bounds, I mean come on now. And this is with my onball/offball settings set to Auto. I give up about 5-10+ points every game just off the strength of the AI being absolutely clueless about what they're supposed to do.

i really wish this would get addressed. it even worse when it happens to big men and leads to countless off rebounds, backdoor cuts and just failure to stay between their man and the basket. the way that big men go for pass intercepts is also ridiculous to me as well. you don't gamble like that and give up easy dunks.

[boxlogo]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

to me the worst thing about defense on this game is no matter if its out on the 3 point line, somewhere along the midrange, or god forbid in the paint area, 70% of the time your teams ai wont even pick them up, they could put up a stand still layup and all my ai would do is look at them, not even a hand in the air smh nobody is getting contested therefore making it almost impossible for me to win a game

(MyCareer btw)

[BegBy]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

to me the worst thing about defense on this game is no matter if its out on the 3 point line, somewhere along the midrange, or god forbid in the paint area, 70% of the time your teams ai wont even pick them up, they could put up a stand still layup and all my ai would do is look at them, not even a hand in the air smh nobody is getting contested therefore making it almost impossible for me to win a game

(MyCareer btw)

I don't play My Career because you can't adjust sliders, but I did play a few games this season and I even tried to play about 30 games last year. To me it seems like a part of the difficulty is how horrible your teammates play. I couldn't possibly prove it, but I just don't see it any other way, which is another reason I don't play it. Teammates truly seem profoundly bad and when they make your teammates look good in other modes - you've gotta wonder.

[boxlogo]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

I don't play My Career because you can't adjust sliders, but I did play a few games this season and I even tried to play about 30 games last year. To me it seems like a part of the difficulty is how horrible your teammates play. I couldn't possibly prove it, but I just don't see it any other way, which is another reason I don't play it. Teammates truly seem profoundly bad and when they make your teammates look good in other modes - you've gotta wonder.

Exactly! somethings got to give because this aint right

[keshunleon]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

The defenders focus on getting back in positions or getting to a position instead of guarding a player.

Super (unrealistic) fast defenders will run in the paint and just stand there, no 3 secs and players are left open all the time for jumpers.
It only works for players who can't shoot and run to the paint

If anything 2K needs to hard code for them to run to the freethrow line and based on their D awareness should determine how soon or how fast they pick up their man or react to the fastbreak situation.

[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

Patch 6 and this is still happening (unfortunately)



Klay Thompson is supposed to be guarding James Harden yet he's again hanging out of bounds and giving him a free lane to the basket.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've seen. Having to manually turbo my center back on defense every possession to protect the basket is annoying enough but now I have to deal with my wing players running out of bounds and giving up wide open lanes to the rim? Jeez...

[BegBy]

Re: Blown Defensive Rotations: Sim or Broken logic?

Patch 6 and this is still happening (unfortunately)



Klay Thompson is supposed to be guarding James Harden yet he's again hanging out of bounds and giving him a free lane to the basket.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've seen. Having to manually turbo my center back on defense every possession to protect the basket is annoying enough but now I have to deal with my wing players running out of bounds and giving up wide open lanes to the rim? Jeez...

Hopefully if there's another patch it'll get fixed. It's a pretty glaring issue that happens quite frequently.