3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

[Goffs]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

Just played a game where a glass cleaner made 5 straight 3's. I really don't understand the logic in this game.

2vs2 one guy glass cleaner and the other stretch big.....now the stretch big would do a step back and I'm left flat footed. I had to cover the stretch and it's really hard to cover 7 footers who can move when I'm a rim protector. All he did was move in a bit forward then do a step back move and shoot. He did not miss. Game was not fun at all....

I'm shelving 2k17 and just wait OS to review 2k18 before I buy....preordering seems like a bad idea.

[EarvGotti]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

Mike has confirmed that one last shooting update is coming tomorrow morning to reduce Greens and give a boost to full white bars

https://twitter.com/Beluba/status/851965888102268928

[Caelumfang]

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2vs2 one guy glass cleaner and the other stretch big.....now the stretch big would do a step back and I'm left flat footed. I had to cover the stretch and it's really hard to cover 7 footers who can move when I'm a rim protector. All he did was move in a bit forward then do a step back move and shoot. He did not miss. Game was not fun at all....

I'm shelving 2k17 and just wait OS to review 2k18 before I buy....preordering seems like a bad idea.

Your first mistake was playing 2s (or even 3s for that matter). That's where the tryhards roam.

[Leasim96]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

Just played a few pro am games today - defense felt more responsive which is nice - but jesus.

Literally every offensive archetype felt like a force with ease - the shooting is notably easy - but man i had a slasher in my team both games - and in both (different people) they had like 5-6 posterizers that looked effortless. And several contested layups.

One had 33 pts the other 28. So nothing crazy. But what seemed crazy is how easy it looked. It looked like the dudes just drove inside wildly - pressed square and boom - posterizer or contested layup easy. I don't even remember them missing. I think they missed some mids but that's it.

I liked how the defense felt in terms of moving around less sluggishly - but jesus. The offense was so arcade like. I was lucky the guys were on my team otherwise 2 L's. Not liking that. But man - what can you do.

I'm tired of complaining lmao i'll / we'll just have to live with it by now. Which sucks.

[alabamarob]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

Mike has confirmed that one last shooting update is coming tomorrow morning to reduce Greens and give a boost to full white bars

https://twitter.com/Beluba/status/851965888102268928

I thought today was realistic. Even though my wing players had some rough games, as they often do in real life. Thanks alot Beluba for all the hardwork. Your latest tweeks have made the gm much more fun and realistic. The hot and cold shooting games, and how you adjust is what makes the sport what it is. Shooting 45 plus from 3 every gm as a team is lame.

[ataman5]

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I know it's not really the place nor the thread is 'that related' yet, i absolutely on the opposite side of shot meter and greens. It's been 3 years and this new now old ofcourse concept of 'meter' and 'green' have brought the game nothing but pain! pain! pain! Not to mention it kills every aspect of real basketball simulation and also undervalues the unknown expectations/outcomes of ball/rim interactions in Real Life excitements. That's not basketball that's FPS game elements.

I just want Mike to get rid of Meter and Greens for 2k18. It's my biggest wish atm for the next iteration to come.

I'm all for feedback btw, don't get me wrong, meter is not a feedback thing!

[awg811]

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Why do the sharpshooters and stretch bigs feel so entitled to shoot 80% from 3?
Most likely because that's what 2k has allowed all year.
When an adjustment is made to make shooting more realistic they cry like someone just killed their dog.

I just told my sharpshooter friend that Mike put out a new update and he said, well I'll probably be shooting around 40% from 3 now.
Yeah and that's about what you should be shooting from 3! Not 65 to 80%.

There's a reason that shooting percentages increase as you get closer to the rim. There's a reason that the best bigs shoot around 70% in the paint. And there's a reason that the best shooters are shooting 35 to even 50% from 3.
Shots get more difficult the further away from the basket you get.

But I'm wide open! SMH

I'm a 6'10" Athletic Finisher and I get blocked from behind by 5'4" pgs frequently.
I spent all but the last couple of months not being able to make contact layups or dunks, until they finally fixed it.
I was still effective because I adjusted.
Adjust to realistic shooting and you too will still be effective.

I hope this new update takes shooting back to a more realistic %, so these people that pretend they are good can finally see they are bums that have been OP all year.

Don't get me wrong, my buddy's not the cheesing whinner that I'm talking about, he's just gotten used to hitting almost every shot he takes. He's actually a really good teammate.

The kind of player I'm talking about are the ones that say I'm the goat because I can score 100 points in pro am going left right behind double screens and make stupid shots because my archetype is OP, but my archetype isn't OP so don't nerf me bro, I'm just that good!

[alabamarob]

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I am sad to say that today's update is back to being unrealistic. Yesterday was very realistic, but today i am back to getting perfect releases with guys who cant shoot. Even Dwight Howard. I guess the masses win again. The one day tease only makes it worse. Ha. At least he gave us realistic guys a day or 2 to have fun. Shooting seems easier today than ever before. 4 perfect releases in a row from 3 with 69 3 rated Ryan Kelly. Are Pro am, park and myteam the cause of all these issues? This in an NBA game as opposed to an FPS right? (appreciate that Ata)

[rossi45]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

I have not noticed the difference in shooting yet. I still am able to limitless range shots with my 70 3pt shotcreator.
This should mean that playmaker potentially are able to green every shot they take, even with out Pick and Roll maestro badge and even from limitless range.

So from the first minutes it seems "too easy". Also the first twitter reactions give me a bad feel, because I can't see any whine or crying there.
This means, people green their shots easily still. But maybe in a real tight environment playing competitive pro am games it will work out!


This tuning seems very close to the slider settings it was before. Green corner shots are still very easy possible for my 55 3pt rated post scorer, and this is the point where the disappointment kicks in. If greening these shots from the corner is still so easy AND mike said that full whites are going in at a higher clip too, then this does mean I will still continue making nearly every shot from there.

Well, I guess I just give up on this. It seems like I am too old for this game. Too say it with the words of the guy a few pages before this! I'm a old white dude ( but not older then 30 ) who doesn't want to see shots fall over 70% from the three. Especially not if it is a another arch then the sharpshooter.

My lockdown friend will be very happy about this change, he will continue camping the corners in our pro am team and knocking down 9 from 10 threes.

Open shots fall for everyone, and they fall at a clip that is ridiculous!

Mr. Wang, I'm honestly disappointed. The moment you posted first about the shooting changes, I was excited as hell. I thought the game will change a bit away from this "greenlight mania" and start becoming a sim.
You did your first move on Friday! It was aggressive, you tried out a lot. For a lot of people it felt right, for a lot of people it felt very wrong. You tweaked it easier, and realised by your self that it might be too easy! Now you tweaked it again, and it honestly feels nearly the same in terms of "greenlighting".

I think, that this change was the last for this year, so I will have to deal with it. But honestly, you should have gone an other way!
Either directly tune the effectiveness of badges in terms of shooting. Especially limitless range, catch and shoot and corner specialist.
Or just do it more extreme by deleting the greens and tune the shot % to your likings.
I don't want people to shoot 45% percent from the 3, when wide open and catching with a sharp. It should be higher. But it never should be higher from limitless range! It never should be possible to green, besides your a sharpshooter who's dealing with his grand badge.

But ok, I think the shooting tweaks are done this year, so I'll try to get the best experience possible out of it until 18. But please Mr. Wang, do something for the next year!
Just don't let us play a full year online again, with gameplay like it was! I still love the game, but with realistic shooting it would be so much better.
You had all the tools needed in your hands, you nearly got it right with the first tuning, but the twitter crowd was too strong!

[Leasim96]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

I have not noticed the difference in shooting yet. I still am able to limitless range shots with my 70 3pt shotcreator.
This should mean that playmaker potentially are able to green every shot they take, even with out Pick and Roll maestro badge and even from limitless range.

So from the first minutes it seems "too easy". Also the first twitter reactions give me a bad feel, because I can't see any whine or crying there.
This means, people green their shots easily still. But maybe in a real tight environment playing competitive pro am games it will work out!


This tuning seems very close to the slider settings it was before. Green corner shots are still very easy possible for my 55 3pt rated post scorer, and this is the point where the disappointment kicks in. If greening these shots from the corner is still so easy AND mike said that full whites are going in at a higher clip too, then this does mean I will still continue making nearly every shot from there.

Well, I guess I just give up on this. It seems like I am too old for this game. Too say it with the words of the guy a few pages before this! I'm a old white dude ( but not older then 30 ) who doesn't want to see shots fall over 70% from the three. Especially not if it is a another arch then the sharpshooter.

My lockdown friend will be very happy about this change, he will continue camping the corners in our pro am team and knocking down 9 from 10 threes.

Open shots fall for everyone, and they fall at a clip that is ridiculous!

Mr. Wang, I'm honestly disappointed. The moment you posted first about the shooting changes, I was excited as hell. I thought the game will change a bit away from this "greenlight mania" and start becoming a sim.
You did your first move on Friday! It was aggressive, you tried out a lot. For a lot of people it felt right, for a lot of people it felt very wrong. You tweaked it easier, and realised by your self that it might be too easy! Now you tweaked it again, and it honestly feels nearly the same in terms of "greenlighting".

I think, that this change was the last for this year, so I will have to deal with it. But honestly, you should have gone an other way!
Either directly tune the effectiveness of badges in terms of shooting. Especially limitless range, catch and shoot and corner specialist.
Or just do it more extreme by deleting the greens and tune the shot % to your likings.
I don't want people to shoot 45% percent from the 3, when wide open and catching with a sharp. It should be higher. But it never should be higher from limitless range! It never should be possible to green, besides your a sharpshooter who's dealing with his grand badge.

But ok, I think the shooting tweaks are done this year, so I'll try to get the best experience possible out of it until 18. But please Mr. Wang, do something for the next year!
Just don't let us play a full year online again, with gameplay like it was! I still love the game, but with realistic shooting it would be so much better.
You had all the tools needed in your hands, you nearly got it right with the first tuning, but the twitter crowd was too strong!

Yea i think it was a mistake for wang to say "this will be the last tuning" here - he pretty much closed himself to more experimenting. Which i for one don't care since 2k18 is not long from now. Experiment away for all i care.

I wonder if 2k could organize a sort of closed version of 2k17 for testers all year long - i guess you could call it "test realm".

Before any changes are done to the legit game - players on this closed version would vote on whether they are good or not - whether they have bugs or not etc.

The audience would probably have to be a split between sim and arcade players - players that have played 2k for years and are mature and not willing to let their personal preferences get in the way of legit testing. Obviously the likely danger would be if an arcade player decides to give feedback he prefers for his playstyle.

I just think arcade players are horrible people to ask for such things. They just want what benefits them.

On the other side sim players just want a legit - competitive - balanced -
basketball experience.

It just seems logical to ask sim guys above arcade since they aren't in it to be "THE GOAT CAN'T STOP ME TOO STRONG OWN YALL"

But oh well - 2k just mostly caters to whiny arcade players. Who want everything easy.

I do think this idea would be worth looking at though - because constantly making game changing decisions on the real game does look like a bad look in terms of game stability.

Anyways - wang - i get that you said that this will be the last shooting tune.

But does it have to be the last change? - if so - if you are not satisfied with this tune. If sim people hate it and it's just pretty much what you were trying to fix in the first place.

Then please - keep trying to fix other aspects - such as defense.

If an aspect of basketball is too strong - then it's logical to try and counterbalance it with an aspect that correlates to it. AKA defense.

Sure let them make shots - but atleast allow us to defend it better. And there you go. We have better balance.

Balance doesn't have to be "Make this aspect equally as weak" - it can also be "Make this aspect strong enough to be able to better contend this one".

There are badges to help low offensive stat players to play better offense - the least you could do is give a boost to defense to balance this out. IMO.

Just too much favoring offense.

[alabamarob]

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I just played an MLO game on hof and the shooting was realistic for that game. I was missing open threes and I shot a poor percentage. Even missed mid range shots. So although the freestyle was green everywhere, that did not translate onto the court. So i will give the Beluba's adjustment a thumbs up so far. Will report back as I play more.

[rossi45]

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I'd honestly would not say that all 2k does is try to cater arcade guys! It's just a big part of the community wants the game to be easy. Younger people usually want games to be more about reflexes ( sloppy defense, so you need to really be quick) and fast stick moves (dribblings that break down people with slow reflexes), people who are a bit more mature usually want some deeper tactical part of the game to get a bigger role. These two worlds are not easy to bring together!

Also I really believe Mike when he says, that it's very hard to get it on point! I honestly feel like it's really the "greenlight" thing that makes this shooting to easy.
There must be a technical issue, which is preventing the "green" 3s to be stopped for everyone else besides sharps. The only thing, that I hold Mike responsible for is, that he has not let the first tuning where it was hard to shoot play out for at least 2-3 days and then check the percentages of some good pro am teams before judging. Judging by the input of the twitter guys is really not the way to go, since most of the people there can't put together more then 10 words correctly. He should've listen to either him self, or a chosen circle of persons that have proven being worth to trust. Maybe he should have asked some of the RTTF guys for help, because people that are able to compete at the highest level at the game, are not braindead zombies for most of the time

Lets just hope for the best

[amedawg00]

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I just played an MLO game on hof and the shooting was realistic for that game. I was missing open threes and I shot a poor percentage. Even missed mid range shots. So although the freestyle was green everywhere, that did not translate onto the court. So i will give the Beluba's adjustment a thumbs up so far. Will report back as I play more.

Good feedback. Was a bit worried with your initial assessment, but good to see that MLO HOF sim sliders nerf the shooting a bit. We have our shooting sliders at 37 for both mid and 3s. And I am hoping we can take matters into our own hands with slider adjustments to make shooting more realistic, but lets face it...the original sin was greens at 100% which automatically negates sliders simply because attributes are non existant when greesn gurantee 100% success.

I thought we were done with this in 2k15, only to have it come back in 2k17? Greens were not 100% in 2k16 no? 2k18 has to got see the series return to its pre auto-make green release days when attributes actually mattered. Better yet, make greens auto in the casual modes, i.e. park/pro-am.myteam, and make them not automatic in the more sim modes of ML/MLO where we should be able to customize the difficulty based on slider sets.

[Leasim96]

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I'd honestly would not say that all 2k does is try to cater arcade guys! It's just a big part of the community wants the game to be easy. Younger people usually want games to be more about reflexes ( sloppy defense, so you need to really be quick) and fast stick moves (dribblings that break down people with slow reflexes), people who are a bit more mature usually want some deeper tactical part of the game to get a bigger role. These two worlds are not easy to bring together!

Also I really believe Mike when he says, that it's very hard to get it on point! I honestly feel like it's really the "greenlight" thing that makes this shooting to easy.
There must be a technical issue, which is preventing the "green" 3s to be stopped for everyone else besides sharps. The only thing, that I hold Mike responsible for is, that he has not let the first tuning where it was hard to shoot play out for at least 2-3 days and then check the percentages of some good pro am teams before judging. Judging by the input of the twitter guys is really not the way to go, since most of the people there can't put together more then 10 words correctly. He should've listen to either him self, or a chosen circle of persons that have proven being worth to trust. Maybe he should have asked some of the RTTF guys for help, because people that are able to compete at the highest level at the game, are not braindead zombies for most of the time

Lets just hope for the best

They definitely > TRY < to balance things out for sim players / players who want a more legit competitive experience.

But let's be honest - when it comes down to it. How many months have passed and we had arcade style gameplay on park and pro am?..... How many years/2ks have passed with arcade style gameplay as well in these modes?.

When there's a final decision to be made - it's more likely they keep the game arcade than sim. And the "realistic" shooting tune not lasting like more than one day is just more proof of that.

I would just be pleased if for one 2k atleast - 2k would satisfy the people who want a more sim/legit experience.

But they won't - because the whiny arcade players are too annoying to deal with and a big part of their sales.

I HOPE i'm proven wrong - but that's how it is so far.

That's why i rather there just be 2 servers for different playstyles or just leave pro am as the more legit basketball mode.

Atleast give us something. Arcade people act miserable anytime a change is made agaisn't them - when in comparison to sim online people they have it WAYY better. As they constantly get changes that cater to them.

Even though they themselves create most if not all of the problems that 2k has to fix.

Where's the justice?. It's like getting an A+ for conduct - but the F- horrible student gets rewarded.

[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

It's unfortunate but as far as MyTeam/Pro-Am/Park go, there's only so much you can do to tweak the shooting because at the end of the day all those HOF badges and 100 percent green release will still be a huge factor. At least the offline guys can edit their rosters and tweak the sliders/difficulty. I'd love for them to scrap the HOF badge tier next year and keep it to 3 levels.

I for one can't wait until they scrap the green release nonsense next year. The idea of any jumpshot in basketball having a 100 percent chance of going in seems ridiculous and the complete opposite of "sim" to me. The whole concept of the green releases just poisoned the community, imo. It's not even about basketball anymore, just who can get the most badges and best animations smh. 2K14 had it right. A green release just meant you timed the shot right, that's it. God I miss that game.