3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

[Caelumfang]

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Jumped on to play on my Shot Creator and....did I just green 4 moving threes in a row? Is this Bizzaro Land? Is this a good or bad sign?

[Jrocc23]

3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

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Why are you making it so that if you're wide open and know your shot that it doesn't go in and confirm green letting the user know that if he/she is wide open that you reward them with a guaranteed bucket? (Yes i know there are no guarantees in life)This is a video game where we have fun...not real life. My player plays in a different space than the actual NBA. If you want people bricking shots, leave that for all those other modes that feature NBA players.

The game is supposed to be a simulation of real basketball though. For some people fun isn't about people making everything. I know it's not for me.

Green=Automatic make has always been silly and unrealistic to me. It's no reason I should shoot and green and already know it's going in every time. Telling my teammates in the party, "that's good the game is over" or saying "Let's go" and being happy I hit a buzzer beater before the shot even goes through the net. It's silly, video game or not.

Yes, some players do know more likely than not their shot is going in i.e. Curry at some points but you're still not 100% sure i.e. Nick Young.

That's why I am kind of cool w/ what Mike was saying before, if you're hot you could get green but even then I don't think it should be 100% automatic. I honestly just miss how "greens" used to be in 2K11. No guaranteed nothing. It just meant you released your shot correctly. I swear the percentages in that game was wonderful.

The shooting is easy now when open but like I said it's way better than what that stuff was yesterday. So in the end, I think he should just leave it how it is for 2K17 and start very fresh for 2K18 and look at the percentages and maybe try to get it where it's a little higher than the real NBA percentages because it is a game but somewhere close to it.


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[alabamarob]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

If you guys can get some games in with today's update, I'd like to know how shooting compares for you between today and previous to yesterday. I suspect it's going to feel very similar (i.e. too easy). The tuning is teetering around a breaking point. The slightest nudge makes greens way too easy or way too hard. It's a limitation of the way 2K17 is setup and very frustrating to tune. It may seem like I'm making drastic changes but I'm literally nudging the numbers by minuscule amounts. It's just those minuscule changes yield severe end results.

Many of you are absolutely right in that automatic greens are the cause of all the issues. That's one of my biggest regrets and something I will correct in 2K18. But for now, I'm experimenting with a new workaround. Hopefully early this week I can do one last update to mitigate the abundance of greens for the rest of 17's run.

If i had to choose between today and yesterday, i would pick yesterday. It was not very realistic shooting 20 percent with 80 plus shooters, but it was better then shooting 50 percent on corner thress with low 70 shooters.

[Breakstarter]

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Think about it like this Mike. Back in December You weren't changing shooting for the rest of the 2k17 cycle and the whole community dealt with that. Now based off of what you said, and how the game played, if you were playing online in my park or pro am, any archetype outside of a Sharpshooter/Stretch Big if they maxed out their 3 point column whether it be at 55,58 or a 60 3 pointer, they would be able to hit green releases at a consistent percentage so long as they had corner specialist, deep range deadly, limitless range and hotspots. Now you mean to tell me people who have purchased VC to make these my players specifically for these reasons and play a certain way to get these guys involved in the offense, now have to think that their my players will no longer be effective from the 3 point line? Why give us the option to max out 3 pointer on other archetypes outside of Ss/SB if you don't want to see them greening shots? If we spend VC on a column, work countless hours and go to practice to get our my players up, we should be able to knockdown consistent greens from the three. These archetypes are limited as is. The way it was for the past 6 months was fine and no one was complaining. Especially not anyone that considered themselves good.
The real issue isn't the consistency of greens, it's the fact that defense can't match the offense in 2k and only one archetype has the lateral speed and defense to keep up with everyone else.

[tt500]

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Will be amazing if greens will become extinct in 2k18. Seeing greens just take away from the excitement when you make a game winning shot.

Also the greens made a community of trolls who pause the game after greens.

My oppinion on greens if they exist, should only happen when a player is hot 🔥. Make getting hot and microwave harder so when you are on fire with a player its rewarding. You get to green shots.

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[rossi45]

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Think about it like this Mike. Back in December You weren't changing shooting for the rest of the 2k17 cycle and the whole community dealt with that. Now based off of what you said, and how the game played, if you were playing online in my park or pro am, any archetype outside of a Sharpshooter/Stretch Big if they maxed out their 3 point column whether it be at 55,58 or a 60 3 pointer, they would be able to hit green releases at a consistent percentage so long as they had corner specialist, deep range deadly, limitless range and hotspots. Now you mean to tell me people who have purchased VC to make these my players specifically for these reasons and play a certain way to get these guys involved in the offense, now have to think that their my players will no longer be effective from the 3 point line? Why give us the option to max out 3 pointer on other archetypes outside of Ss/SB if you don't want to see them greening shots? If we spend VC on a column, work countless hours and go to practice to get our my players up, we should be able to knockdown consistent greens from the three. These archetypes are limited as is. The way it was for the past 6 months was fine and no one was complaining. Especially not anyone that considered themselves good.
The real issue isn't the consistency of greens, it's the fact that defense can't match the offense in 2k and only one archetype has the lateral speed and defense to keep up with everyone else.

I get your point about vc spent and so on. And yes its also about defense on some point for sure. But in Pro am, lockdowns, slashers, glass cleaner were able to green from around the hole 3pt line. If you can green it open, that means you can green it EVERYTIME when you are open. The consequence of this is, that skilled players hit shots at high clips with these players. Skilled players green it 9/10 time if it is possible to green it from the shot quality side.

If you allow ldd, slasher, glass and postscorers to do this, then guess what? they will do it 9/10 times. And being able to potentially hit every 3ball with a LDD is just stupid.
I don't understand why in 2k16 there wasn't such a cry by inside players who could not green 3s? or have you seen last years inside centers banging corner 3s at a 70% rate? Thats what our pro ams team GC and LDD have as a % for 3 over a course of 85 games. Insane!

[DakkoN]

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Please please please go back to yesterday. Game was amazing.

[awg811]

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Slashers should NEVER miss a contact dunk.
Lock down defenders should get EVERY steal or block they attempt.
Glass cleaners should get EVERY rebound that they jump for.

This is the mentality of this years sharpshooters, but they don't want it for every other archetype, just theirs.

The problem is, sharpshooters and stretch bigs have been OP from day 1 and 2k bends to their complaints every time.

The shot meter is also to blame. It gives them something to use to support their claim that they shouldn't miss.
There is no shot meter in basketball. Why is there one in 2k?
Is it to make shooting easier?
This game is already easy if you are any good at all.
Learn your shooting stroke and stop relying on a crutch to make it simple. You know, like real basketball.

I play with a few sharpshooters that regularly claim that 2k has messed up their shot. Yet, they just went 7/10 from 3 point range.
Mention this and the reply is, "Yeah, but they were wide open". SMH

This is basketball, you're gonna miss!
No one in the history of the world has ever made every shot that they ever attempted.
I've never played a basketball game in my life where people thought that every shot they took should go in.
You missed more wide open 3's in NBA Jam! And people are complaining?

This isn't directed at all sharpshooters, but we all know they ones that it is meant for.

[Leasim96]

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Check this out. For those complaining about the change.

I had no problem playing good yesterday and many here stated they didn't - the opposite they enjoyed it a lot.

So the real question is - if you're as good as you say - why are you complaining agaisn't the change?. If you're good - just adjust to how the game should be played. Clearly there are people who have no problem with it and enjoy it.

Who are the real "non skilled" players? - those who complain about arcade styled gameplay - or simulation?.

Clearly we sim players have no problem missing shots accordingly - so maybe it's time to revaluate your logic on who's "actually good" at the game/moans about it.

Esentially sim players want the game to be a challenge - i don't think people who argue agaisn't such even realize that their esentially saying they want the game to be easy.

And they procceed to say stuff like "you just suck at it". Well if you're so good - what's wrong with making the game sim?. If you're so good you will still dominate.

Clearly it's because the game is easy for them as it is and they don't want that changed. Most of the time easy for them - is esentially "cheap" "unrealistic" for us.

Aka Arcade.

Hence why they defend it from being changed and get so mad. Their afraid they won't be able to do their cheap tactics anymore - boohoo. Have a tissue.

Again anyone who's truly good at the game won't be afraid about cheap/unrealistic tactics being adjusted accordingly.

Sim vs Arcade = Sim more of a challenge = if you complain about it you're the one who can't play the game without it being easy/unrealistic/using cheap tactics = HOF badges - Limitless Range - Posterizer - Ankle Breaker / youtube jumpshot videos "100% GREENS NEVER MISS A SHOT AGAIN" - Speedboosting - so on and so forth.

I'm sure NBA players would love it if they could have HOF badges - speedboost - green shots. Boy would that be fun huh. Actually .. it would probably get boring/repetitive in no time. No one would be unique pretty much - o look he dunked on 2 guys .. cool .. we've seen that like 100 times already this season eitherway.

Part of the glory of basketball is that we admire these guys because we know it's not easy. Even the best players need a good/great team.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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Definetely shooting is too easy now. Sharpshooters are back at the zig zag again. Yesterday people were moving the ball, even some lockdowns I played with made corner 3s and even I got some touches inside with my paint protector.

Now I feel like I play only to set screens, people dont pass around they only try to get that little space to shoot. I've got bored of being a mere spectator and quit the game.

Agreed man. My squad concluded that 2k had got flat out boring . But yesterday we didn't want to stop playing . The game was more diverse . People were slashing and the midrange game played a bigger role.

[myathebee]

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So now the shooting is back to where it was pre-patch....Eh..

[VAWereWolf65]

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People were slashing and the midrange game played a bigger role.

While this is great, I hate the fact that playmakers can slash just as good as slashers sometimes.

Slashers can't make contact layups, atleast not as much as they should.

Isn't that what we're supposed to be able to do? Aren't we supposed to be able to slash? You're very rarely going to get an uncontested, wide open layup unless you're on the fastbreak or if you have James Harden guarding you

[2_headedmonster]

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I really preferred how it was yesterday. We as a group need to be weened off the green light addiction and theres no time like the present.

Since 2k17 dropped, the sharp shooters have been the most over-powered archetype. Its seems like in theory they were supposed to be spot up shooters who benefited from the value of a playmaker. In execution they have been independent super- Currys in all shape and sizes.

Yesterday sharpshooters actually felt balanced and i enjoyed it. For 2k18 id suggest that on shot releases a green, yellow or red shot percentage appear in the circle below the player. This would get away from automatic greens, give realistic expectations, but stick with the color code.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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While this is great, I hate the fact that playmakers can slash just as good as slashers sometimes.

Slashers can't make contact layups, atleast not as much as they should.

Isn't that what we're supposed to be able to do? Aren't we supposed to be able to slash? You're very rarely going to get an uncontested, wide open layup unless you're on the fastbreak or if you have James Harden guarding you

I honestly think the speed with ball is a big culprit . It seems to unlock the best animations . Of course a playmakers is going to have 10-15 points higher in speed with ball than slashers . think of slashers as good off ball cutters lol

[DakkoN]

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All I know is that if ANY of the players that I played against yesterday are the ones that are influencing the decisions for these changes, I don't want a single one of their suggestions to be taken seriously. Yesterday's gameplay really showed how bad that the bad players are.. Seeing dudes try to dribble around the perimeter and then take a closely guarded three that would almost put a hole in the backboard was magnificent to see. Loved going into Walk On with me and one other person and beating teams by an average of about 45 in 4 games because the bad players stood out even more.

Lost 1 game because a teammate who couldn't hit contested shots decided it was a wonderful idea to just completely stop playing and guarding his man but somehow doesn't get kicked out of the game even though his man has 41 on him and he has 0 on 0/7 shooting.. Was a 5 person pro-am team and I only say that because every single trip up the court was 3 screens with the the other guy standing in the corner holding his sack all game while the 2 bigs would immediately pass back out every time they got a rebound instead of ever going back up with it. Was obviously a pro-am team trying to pub stomp and even yet only won by 3 despite useless teammates..