NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

[kusirou]

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I see some new posts have been added and it seems like a lot of people are seeing exactly what I am seeing. So I don't really need to chime in more I guess than my .02 cents added.

Definitely not to sidetrack the thread, but myplayers are getting deleted on crashes. 2k support is issuing refunds however this just isn't a good look. Glad I didn't pre-order this one, but there is a video out about the best way to maximize 200k VC (I enjoy this youtuber's content, but... 2k should just show you what the attributes will be instead of figuring out a work around.)

[three6latvia]

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I hate VC so much.


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[itsmb8]

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No mention of us starting at a 60 instead of a 55 overall like years past? That's tens of thousands of VC jump before plugging in the game lol.

And not knowing the hairstyle you like sounds more like a personal issue than a sinister vc 2k grab. Do you like mohawks? No/Yes? "Click".

Also... seeing TONS OF 60/61'S btw.

Two things..

1) Take your initial ratings, plug them into a CAP that would be used in Play Now, MyLeague, etc. and he is definitely lower than a 60 overall... I obviously dont know for sure, but I bet the whole "Road to 99" isnt even a 99 overall in an actual roster, its probably more like a 90 or 93..

And 2) I've seen plenty of people who bought the Odell/LaMelo "mohawk - bleached fade" that ended up looking nothing like Odell's hairstyle. Also, you ever see a haircut or whatever and like it so you get it yourself and it looks bad, or hear of someone who went through that? Thats why we should be able to preview, like we already can with shoes or clothes. Because if it looks terrible, then we just wasted basically an entire games worth of VC, which is way too valuable already.


In two years I would not be surprised if 2K would start doing things like charging twice as much for tshirts and the like, charging you a weekly fee or something to use the Gatorade Training Facility, even things like charging a weekly fee to access your own damn MyCourt or charging a salary for the fake agent, where if you cant pay it all endorsements just stop. And then they'll probably decrease VC income from games, endorsements, the app. They'll make it a year long grind just to get to 85 overall. Its getting set up to the point where you have to pay $60 to have the opportunity to pay another $80-90 just to level up your player to a 90, which in a couple years would probably be the equivalent to an 79-81 in an actual 2K base roster. This VC grind is getting WAY out of hand. And 2K is easily the most talked about and anticipated game in the country, I doubt they have any problem at all generating enough income to make a decent profit from the game alone.

[335TDC]

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It's false advertising. At least in Germany that is grounds for legal action. I'm sorry but for a full prized game you can reasonably expect certain things. If these things get locked behind a paywall and that is not mentioned anywhere that is false advertising.



Anyway... I can't even play franchise mode like I want since they, for some reason, decided not to allow you to use custom rosters in MyGM.

Look, I know nothing about German consumer rights, but NOT mentioning something is NOT "false advertising." In fact, it would be "reasonable" to assume that, considering the trend in sports games the past few years, more and more things will get "locked behind a paywall" each year. That's STILL not false advertising.

The fact is that as consumers we have FREEDOM -- freedom to wait and see before purchasing or to pounce as soon as the release date arrives. Almost everyone on these boards chose the latter. That comes with risks. Period. And the government should never have to play wet nurse to consumer impulsivity, especially on an optional luxury purchase of less than 100 dollars. I hate VC with a passion, but I'll take it over a government that babies spoiled consumers 100% of the time.

I'm on the side of everyone who rails against VC. But surrendering consumer responsibility to set up a welfare state for gamers? No thanks.


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[Bernte]

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Look, I know nothing about German consumer rights, but NOT mentioning something is NOT "false advertising." In fact, it would be "reasonable" to assume that, considering the trend in sports games the past few years, more and more things will get "locked behind a paywall" each year. That's STILL not false advertising.

The fact is that as consumers we have FREEDOM -- freedom to wait and see before purchasing or to pounce as soon as the release date arrives. Almost everyone on these boards chose the latter. That comes with risks. Period. And the government should never have to play wet nurse to consumer impulsivity, especially on an optional luxury purchase of less than 100 dollars. I hate VC with a passion, but I'll take it over a government that babies spoiled consumers 100% of the time.

I'm on the side of everyone who rails against VC. But surrendering consumer responsibility to set up a welfare state for gamers? No thanks.


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it depends really. if they'd advertise that you could create your own player and individualize him with hairdos, facial hair, t-shirts and what have you, but not mentioning, that you'd have to pay vc for that stuff, it'd be a bit shady. it's what you'd expect from some f2p mobile app, but not from a aaa game, that you paid 60 bucks for.

[Bernte]

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i haven't purchased the game yet (still don't know if i will), but is it true that they have removed the multiplier in mycareer? so it doesn't matter if you play allstar or hof, the amount of earned vc would be the same?

[335TDC]

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it depends really. if they'd advertise that you could create your own player and individualize him with hairdos, facial hair, t-shirts and what have you, but not mentioning, that you'd have to pay vc for that stuff, it'd be a bit shady. it's what you'd expect from some f2p mobile app, but not from a aaa game, that you paid 60 bucks for.

No, it doesn't depend. "A bit shady" is NOT false advertising. I am only taking issue with people who claim the latter. The entire sports gaming genre is beyond "a bit shady" at this point. That's not at issue. But it's also not illegal.

Shame on ME for buying at launch if I'm disappointed. I should have waited and checked out OS for a few days.


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[DarkManX1]

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Only thing I'm going to say about VC. I respect that 2k has to make that money and that the proceeds from VC purchases go towards making this one of the consistently best sports games each year (in terms of on the court gameplay). What I've played of 2k18 so far I've loved. MyGM having a story is cool. I'm a MyLeague guy so I'm really excited to dig into that once the season starts. What they do in terms of adding to modes and not staying complacent each year, even when it doesn't always work out, is really impressive. BUT...

I keep hearing 2k casually tossing around the word e-sport. Now I'm a big fan of e-sports in general, I think e-sports gaining recognition is great. There are 2 games that I spend more time watching these days than I do regular sports. Dota 2 and Rocket League. Dota 2 just had The International. I think it was a $26 million prize pool. That prize pool was largely made up from players purchasing something called the Battle Pass. Plenty of other tournaments with multi-million dollar prize pools as well. All total, it's a boatload of money. I'm going to be a bit reductionist but micro transactions in Dota 2 are for cosmetics. You can't buy your way to greatness, which is why I enjoy watching and playing Dota 2. Because it's just about your skill level. Rocket League is basically the same thing. While they do sell cars, that have different hit boxes and some slightly different attributes, it's well balanced. Furthermore, the pro scene is largely made up of two cars. The Octane, which is the first car you start the game off with and The Batmobile which I think costs like $5.

Now I'm not saying that all competitive games that have a large e-sports scene are this way. But, I do think if 2k wants to move this game series into the e-sports realm they have to do something different. Make the cosmetics ridiculously expensive or make them random (think loot crates, pay some VC amount for crate with items inside). And then just lower the attribute grind a bit. To me, in order to make an e-sport, you can't have a pay to win model. I don't think 2k is quite at that point, but this is the first time that I felt the VC cash grab was egregious. I don't even think buying VC is too expensive. It's about the time commitment.

The difference between paying your way to 85 vs grinding to 85 has to have a slightly smaller time commitment. Right now to get to 85 by grinding I would guess it would take about 60 hours. I think I'm being incredibly generous with that estimate as well. 60 hours is a pretty serious time investment where meanwhile the guys who paid to 85 are making their way to 99. Having a 60 hour difference between players on a game that comes out yearly is, I think, a bit too much for a prospective e-sport. It's right on the cusp though, I think you lower that to somewhere in the realm of 35-45 hours to get to 85 you're in a pretty good spot. Having the difficulty modifier in years past helped this problem a lot.

There are plenty of other ways to change the grind and I'm by no means an expert. But, I do think that for next year 2k has to do something different. Still love the game, still buying each year, still nothing but respect for the guys and girls buying their way to 85. I just want the game to be a little more balanced.

[MBhoops]

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i haven't purchased the game yet (still don't know if i will), but is it true that they have removed the multiplier in mycareer? so it doesn't matter if you play allstar or hof, the amount of earned vc would be the same?

Yeah they removed it.

[Yesh2kdone]

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VC modifier appears at 92/93 Ovr, for all difficulties, not just HoF. Supposed to be a x2 XP modifier for HoF though.

[nddot]

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3k for a damn t shirt :damn:


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[BrickAssist]

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VC modifier appears at 92/93 Ovr, for all difficulties, not just HoF. Supposed to be a x2 XP modifier for HoF though.

Oh so just gotta drop 300k vc or whatever it is first.

Removing the difficulty modifier, not to mention the extra from accolades, is just indefensibly blatant money grab.

[MoodMuzik]

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Well yeah. You gotta find some shrines in some of the major cities in the game.

Can you put down your cape for a sec and admit that some of these changes are purely, motivated by "greed" ? or shady? Not fair to the customer ?[emoji848]


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I gotta put the cape down but you won't let the torch go? Fair.

Just don't see the "you can't preview your hair?? VC grab for sure!" came straight down from the corporate business offices as a direct command to force the customer to spend more out of the wallet money motivated by absolute greed.

I see that way more as a development oversight. You have your opinion on the subject, I have mine.

And customers?? Customer is always right eh? Lol customers suck. If you've ever worked in customer service, you know how customers work and how they twist the victim scenario.

You did your job though, I'm out of this thread. There's only one way to see it, 2k is a sinister company from the top down.

I suppose the 2004-Kobe not having a fade hairstyle is a greed/VC money grab too, and not a development oversight.

*Que the "that's a gross over-exaggerating etc" and que my "just like this a lot of impressions in this thread (not all, great points in here anti-vc as well)" response*

[sparkybob]

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it depends really. if they'd advertise that you could create your own player and individualize him with hairdos, facial hair, t-shirts and what have you, but not mentioning, that you'd have to pay vc for that stuff, it'd be a bit shady. it's what you'd expect from some f2p mobile app, but not from a aaa game, that you paid 60 bucks for.

But you don't have to pay VC to get that stuff. If I didn't want to spend my VC on attributes I could have gotten them. If you just play the game for a month or two you can get most of the stuff you wanted anyways.

[meccs]

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The last few years NBA were one thing but this year crossed the line with the barber shop. They should be ashamed. Not to mention the MyNBA app giving almost no VC this year. The draw three thing is gone. It's blatantly obvious that this is just to force people to buy VC. You get less for free, earn less and everything costs more. How more obvious could it be?