NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

[Black Bruce Wayne]

Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

What do my decisions have to do with anything I just posted? How do you know that I haven't considered other options? What is your purpose of being in this thread?

We're here to post about why we're not happy with the direction things have gone. People are trying to offer solutions, a middle ground, to try and make their experience better. That's what feedback is. You keep trying suggest to people to act with binary decisions.

I'm not sure why people who want to defend 2k's practices insist that we feel the exact same way. Like I've said several, several times: we're not bothering anything with your bottom line.

Well what is your solution for 2Ks VC problem?

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[ph33]

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Well what is your solution for 2Ks VC problem?

Well, the best thing that could happen is that the people who accept things as they are and want to tell everyone to feel the same, see that 2k is raising the prices on things, and voice their displeasure as well. But I've learned that's not happening.

So I will post this, yet again, as many others before me have expressed as well:

A lot of us clamor for a ranked 5 v 5 mode that we can jump into. Nobody wants to be a superstar quickly or even said, so please don't bring that up for the 100000th time. It's not about being impatient. We just want a competitive 5 on 5 mode that is balanced. And right now, that has quite the entry barrier of time and/or money.

And this mode could have a wide variety of archetypes to pick from. You may not get exactly who you want, but you can come close to it.

I think this is a decent middle ground.

Also, I ask again: what is your purpose of being in this thread?

[Black Bruce Wayne]

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Well, the best thing that could happen is that the people who accept things as they are and want to tell everyone to feel the same, see that 2k is raising the prices on things, and voice their displeasure as well. But I've learned that's not happening.

So I will post this, yet again, as many others before me have expressed as well:



And this mode could have a wide variety of archetypes to pick from. You may not get exactly who you want, but you can come close to it.

I think this is a decent middle ground.

Also, I ask again: what is your purpose of being in this thread?

You didnt answer the question. How would you solve the VC problem ?

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[ph33]

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You didnt answer the question. How would you solve the VC problem?

Yep, you just don't want to get it. Gave you an answer but you just want to be you. Other examples have been cited all over the place. No more need to waste time on either end.

Good bye!

[Black Bruce Wayne]

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Yep, you just don't want to get it. Gave you an answer but you just want to be you. Other examples have been cited all over the place. No more need to waste time on either end.

Good bye!

You didn't give me anything. I genuinely asked you what would you do?

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[zrohman]

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Ph33 is trying to say that the solution is for everyone to cause a fuss over it until they do something about it.

Truth is everyone will buy the game anyway and Bruce wayne has a point. Only way they will change it is if nba live gives them enough competition. Gameplay is pretty good in Live this year, just a lot of legacy issues to be patched, but great gameplay. But they will only fix this if they start losing a competition which won't happen for a while

[Black Bruce Wayne]

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Ph33 is trying to say that the solution is for everyone to cause a fuss over it until they do something about it.

Truth is everyone will buy the game anyway and Bruce wayne has a point. Only way they will change it is if nba live gives them enough competition. Gameplay is pretty good in Live this year, just a lot of legacy issues to be patched, but great gameplay. But they will only fix this if they start losing a competition which won't happen for a while

I'm all for fussing but you have to have some sort of solution in the fussing. I'm sure they've made alot of money off VC, so I don't think they would get rid of it.

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[tt500]

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Don't think fussing would do much when there are ppl out there who pay because they want to. Than with the way they release these lit content, they clearly are keeping track of the vc purchases. There's a demand out there and they are capitalizing on it.

[BOSsTOwN]

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[jonm1010]

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I'm all for fussing but you have to have some sort of solution in the fussing. I'm sure they've made alot of money off VC, so I don't think they would get rid of it.

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They are going to keep squeezing until they cross some sort of threshold and the brand or the revenue stream takes a major hit. Or until they hit the internal moral threshold where those working on and managing the game higher up think going any further will put them beyond the pale(though given the steady creep, who knows if that threshold even exists internally)

Externally speaking, that pressure, imo, will only come from:

1.) A competitor coming along that siphons off a lot of revenue. That somehow signals a need to cut back on the behavior as a component of a strategy to bringing back business.

2.) A very vocal and damaging hit to the brand. Such as a viral and sustained petition, boycott, and negative campaign of the property until changes are made.

3,) A precipitous drop in revenue for the title itself or the VC. In such a way it signals their approach to VC is hurting, more then helping, grow or sustain revenue.

Short of that, buckle in, because I think the trend isn't going anywhere any time soon.

[Black Bruce Wayne]

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They are going to keep squeezing until they cross some sort of threshold and the brand or the revenue stream takes a major hit. Or until they hit the internal moral threshold where those working on and managing the game higher up think going any further will put them beyond the pale(though given the steady creep, who knows if that threshold even exists internally)

Externally speaking, that pressure, imo, will only come from:

1.) A competitor coming along that siphons off a lot of revenue. That somehow signals a need to cut back on the behavior as a component of a strategy to bringing back business.

2.) A very vocal and damaging hit to the brand. Such as a viral and sustained petition, boycott, and negative campaign of the property until changes are made.

3,) A precipitous drop in revenue for the title itself or the VC. In such a way it signals their approach to VC is hurting, more then helping, grow or sustain revenue.

Short of that, buckle in, because I think the trend isn't going anywhere any time soon.

I'm not a fan of it, but I understand. I blame GTA online success. Other companies saw that and now most are trying to copy that model. This Run The Neighborhood mode is GTA Online with basketball and no violence, etc.

I bet some guy in a suit , in charge , demanded something like GTA Online be implemented in this game. I

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[Junior Moe]

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Don't think fussing would do much when there are ppl out there who pay because they want to. Than with the way they release these lit content, they clearly are keeping track of the vc purchases. There's a demand out there and they are capitalizing on it.

Exactly. Fussing isnt doing a damn thing. Voice your displeasure about how you fell about VC. But 2K sold 8.5 million copies last year. They made hundreds of millions of dollars through VC last year. The game is a critical and commercial success. If it was anywhere near as bad as these same people crying about VC constantly now say it is that wouldnt be the case.

So what if a few dozen people on OS swear its the end of the world? I still dont understand exactly what they are talking about. You can play just fine without purcahsing VC. You can dominate offline if you want. You can play online and have fun. If you want to be an 85 (or whatever) theres a route for that too.

At the end of the day money talks. As long as the game is breaking basketball sales records nothing will change. Why would it? Its like me saying Madden is crap because they have gutted franchise mode. The game still sells 5 million a year. They continue to rake in more dough each year through MUT. So is it really that bad or is Madden just not for me anymore? Its not for me anymore. I spend my time and money elsewhere. No harm, no foul. If its that big a deal just skip the damn game.

There is a viable basketball alternative this year with no VC. It looks like the people who swore they werent buying 2K this year (predictably) are. There's a reason for that. A product speaks for itself. Whether that be good or bad. And the market reacts to those factors.

[nddot]

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I'm not a fan of it, but I understand. I blame GTA online success. Other companies saw that and now most are trying to copy that model. This Run The Neighborhood mode is GTA Online with basketball and no violence, etc.

I bet some guy in a suit , in charge , demanded something like GTA Online be implemented in this game. I

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No its not. Stop this foolish comparaison.
GTA is a game that comes out once every 4 or 5 years.
The content is more than solid and they give a lot of freebies and free dlc content. Gta offers you the possibility to buy shark cards only if you want more business and properties but you can easily earn virtual money with the vast array of missions that they offer but you level up by playing
2k is using a pay-to-win system, and now things that used to be free (or cheap) will cost a game worth (on HoF) of VC.

1k for a damn haircut....
But bu but LIT though

I hate the fact these youtubers are playing along 2k's model and none of these goofs have the balls to go against the grain.

Wow talk about deja vu. We went through this same **** last year with this thread here: http://forums.operationsports.com/fo...put-words.html



There's some really well though out posts in that thread detailing the continued subtle (and sometimes otherwise) changes to the games since the implementation of VC.







Those supporting this practice seem like they have a case of Stockholm Syndrome. They proudly wear it as a 'badge of honour', that they feel the need to justify these business practices.



I get there being some satisfaction in working towards something to achieve cooler/better things (it's why I like games like Destiny), but lets be real here. The increasing of the VC costs for attributes, animations, gear etc is not for the purpose of giving you a more challenging and rewarding gameplay experience. It's simply to line the pockets of the Take-Two execs.



Year after year they have made it more difficult to earn VC, all the while continuing to increase costs or even add new ways to get you to spend it.





This is because they don't want you to earn it, they want you to buy it.







I'm solely an offline MyCareer player so I couldn't give two ****s about trying to justify this as a way to balance the online portion of the mode, there's plenty of other ways they could do effectively do this (how about finally separate the modes for once?).



If this was a free-to-play game then I could see these business practices a suitably justifiable.





But it's not a free-to-play game.







Sometimes I wonder what the media and wider gaming audiences' reaction would be if this wasn't just an annually released sports title. Would it then get more attention.



Like what if in the next Battlefield game, Dice made it so that you had to be XX level to even drive a tank. But if you bought this pack that increased your XP so you didn't have to grind in order to unlock the ability.



I could guarantee you the backlash would be immense. I mean, look at the reaction to the shader issue in Destiny 2 atm. And that's something that is purely cosmetic!







I wasn't going to write such a lengthy post initially, since my concerns clearly fell on deaf ears the last time I shared them in the thread from last year, but I just wanted to give it one last shot.



To those who want to argue against this, just know that I'm not trying to affect your enjoyment of the game (hell I'm going to be buying it on release), but instead I'm trying to let the devs know that we are fed up with these increasingly devious and greedy business practices.



Have a good one guys

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[Black Bruce Wayne]

Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

No its not. Stop this foolish comparaison.
GTA is a game that comes out once every 4 or 5 years.
The content is more than solid and they give a lot of freebies and free dlc content. Gta offers you the possibility to buy shark cards only if you want more business and properties but you can easily earn virtual money with the vast array of missions that they offer but you level up by playing
2k is using a pay-to-win system, and now things that used to be free (or cheap) will cost a game worth (on HoF) of VC.

1k for a damn haircut....
But bu but LIT though

I hate the fact these youtubers are playing along 2k's model and none of these goofs have the balls to go against the grain.




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So you don't level up by playing 2K now? You get VC in every game mode , including mobile. If you are willing to grind you can level up without buying a thing but people aren't willing to do that.

The GTA comparison is about 2k trying to make an online open world of their own.

I asked someone earlier what they would do to fix these VC problem. So what would you do?


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[Black Bruce Wayne]

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Exactly. Fussing isnt doing a damn thing. Voice your displeasure about how you fell about VC. But 2K sold 8.5 million copies last year. They made hundreds of millions of dollars through VC last year. The game is a critical and commercial success. If it was anywhere near as bad as these same people crying about VC constantly now say it is that wouldnt be the case.

So what if a few dozen people on OS swear its the end of the world? I still dont understand exactly what they are talking about. You can play just fine without purcahsing VC. You can dominate offline if you want. You can play online and have fun. If you want to be an 85 (or whatever) theres a route for that too.

At the end of the day money talks. As long as the game is breaking basketball sales records nothing will change. Why would it? Its like me saying Madden is crap because they have gutted franchise mode. The game still sells 5 million a year. They continue to rake in more dough each year through MUT. So is it really that bad or is Madden just not for me anymore? Its not for me anymore. I spend my time and money elsewhere. No harm, no foul. If its that big a deal just skip the damn game.

There is a viable basketball alternative this year with no VC. It looks like the people who swore they werent buying 2K this year (predictably) are. There's a reason for that. A product speaks for itself. Whether that be good or bad. And the market reacts to those factors.

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