NBA 2K18 AI Improvements Blog From Scott O’Gallagher

[WTF]

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Off topic, but how is Thibs rated a D overall on Defense? lol

[strawberryshortcake]

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Nah, I don't like the way it looks either. Plus I can't imagine what on earth Taj would say in that instance "I've gone full potato" ? lol.

There is literally no reason for Taj to run a full circle around like that. It's happened with Dieng, it's happened with Taj and even Jimmy Butler for me so far.

I know your situation is a little different than mine, but if you actually did what I normally do in those situations, you'd probably experience the "cat and mouse" game that I go through eventually giving up an easy 2 point.

The cat and mouse game that I experience on occasion happens in situations exactly like the Wiggins/Taj situation.

If I were controlling Wiggins, and Taj came over to guard Kawhi, as soon as I moved Wiggins over to pick up Lamarcus (because "I'm like alright go get him Taj"), Taj would have followed my exact movement towards Lamarcus. Seeing that Taj has decided to pickup Lamarcus, I would have then moved Wiggins back over to guard Kawhi, and as soon as I do that, Taj would have roamed right back over to Kawhi. Taj would basically mirror exactly what Wiggins would do.

I think I have a recorded clip on my PS4 share. But if not, I'll probably stumble onto another same exact scenario sooner or later because there's no way to tell your teammate "I got this, get out of here."

[The 24th Letter]

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Off topic, but how is Thibs rated a D overall on Defense? lol

Likely going off last year....I don't know how the Wolves were so bad at defending....they'll be better this year though..

[WTF]

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If I have him set to stay home, then I want him to stay home, regardless of whatever moronic defense I decide to play. I don't believe it's anything other than a cheese tactic. I'll put the communication piece on for a few games, to see what it says when this stuff happens. But if I set all my guys to stay home, and protect paint, then I expect them to stay home, and protect the paint. Not do whatever they want when the CPU desperately needs a bucket. That's when these things occur most, are when the cpu is on their runs.

It's the same type of thing as this:

https://twitter.com/WTF_OS/status/909057788764180486

I can't imagine what Dieng would have said in this instance. There's no reason for him to "hedge" like that, if that's what he's doing, I don't know.

[WTF]

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Here's another one, that there is no earthly way that this isn't coded into the game to allow a bucket

https://twitter.com/WTF_OS/status/908861951656198144

The thing is, these things aren't needed. Its like the game feels they are to keep things competitive. I don't get it. I'm not sure if it's just happening to me or nobody else is acknowledging it. I want this game to be great. I want them to see these things and fix them finally.

The game has so much great going on for it, to be ruined by these things.

[strawberryshortcake]

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Here's another one, that there is no earthly way that this isn't coded into the game to allow a bucket

https://twitter.com/WTF_OS/status/908861951656198144

The thing is, these things aren't needed. Its like the game feels they are to keep things competitive. I don't get it. I'm not sure if it's just happening to me or nobody else is acknowledging it. I want this game to be great. I want them to see these things and fix them finally.

The game has so much great going on for it, to be ruined by these things.

The only "logic" I see is that the defense is programmed to anticipate/counter the potential screen that Devin Booker could have used.

In those instances, (hall of fame) I would often play off ball defense to take control of Taj Gibson while letting the computer control Jimmy Butler.

[The 24th Letter]

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Here's another one, that there is no earthly way that this isn't coded into the game to allow a bucket

https://twitter.com/WTF_OS/status/908861951656198144

The thing is, these things aren't needed. Its like the game feels they are to keep things competitive. I don't get it. I'm not sure if it's just happening to me or nobody else is acknowledging it. I want this game to be great. I want them to see these things and fix them finally.

The game has so much great going on for it, to be ruined by these things.

I hear you man....after 2K17 the tolerance level is low...trust me I would be right there with you if I was experiencing it...

but when I tell you I could boot up and post a full game right now and not see it to thay extent ...Im pretty confident. Don't know if it's settings, play style or what.... Now other 2kism's? Sure, lol. Hope you can get it figured out bro.

[WTF]

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Me too. I desperately want to play this game. The MyLeague mode is exactly what I want. Wiggins looks stellar, haha. The emotion and mannerisms that the players show is unparalleled... I want to play this stinking game. I want these things gone. I must have the worse luck with 2k

For these things, I mean, my playstyle shouldn't have anything to do with it. I feel I'm in pretty good position on all of the clips. I've played next level ball, and know the game, the ins and outs of the game. There's nothing that says "cheese me please" in my playstyle. lol. But then again, there must be.

[MarkWilliam]

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Note: I only play on Hall of Fame.

I did see you say "personally," but I'm still on the other side of the fence and will still remain. So you're going to have to make adjustment every single time you begin a game?

It may be a non-issue to one or two individuals or however number that chooses to make pre game adjustments, but it's still a legitimate issue if the CPU leaves my three point shooters open using the Otto Porter tactic. When all the teams are doing it, that's a concern. I've played with various teams and I've seen it happen a few too many times. Even if real teams purposely leave non-threatening shooters open, how often do they actually instruct that particular teammate to run and camp directly underneath the rim.

The idea is commendable but the execution is very questionable. Even if you're daring someone to shoot a three, you don't need to position yourself directly underneath the hoop giving the perimeter player a massive open lane. It's just not smart basketball. Camping in the lane and guarding no one for an extended period of time has got to be some sort of illegal defense. Not only that, this looks like it's also causing other problems namely over extension on help defense.

If anything, better to remove this tactic from default and make it an "adjustment" the user can choose to implement if desired.

Man I hear what you're saying. Maybe the difficulty is a key variable....

But I guess I'm looking at it like this;

This is an issue which I don't agree with (if this was a design choice made by OG). But there is a basic workaround which eliminates it for me.

And on the other side of the ball, I don't seem to have had the joy of exploiting it against the AI. But maybe I'm just not making the read at this point in time.

I'd like it gone aswell man. I don't agree with it. Or as you say, invert it so the default is a weaker sag.

All I can say is, once I tweak settings (which I'd be doing pre-game anyway), the experience is pretty much as good as I could ask for at this stage.

Maybe I'm still in the honeymoon phase though

[alabamarob]

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Man I hear what you're saying. Maybe the difficulty is a key variable....

But I guess I'm looking at it like this;

This is an issue which I don't agree with (if this was a design choice made by OG). But there is a basic workaround which eliminates it for me.

And on the other side of the ball, I don't seem to have had the joy of exploiting it against the AI. But maybe I'm just not making the read at this point in time.

I'd like it gone aswell man. I don't agree with it. Or as you say, invert it so the default is a weaker sag.

All I can say is, once I tweak settings (which I'd be doing pre-game anyway), the experience is pretty much as good as I could ask for at this stage.

Maybe I'm still in the honeymoon phase though

I just change the indvidual off ball pressure and my defense is fine from there. However, even with ACE off the game is changing my defensive matchups without my permission.

[JoFri]

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https://twitter.com/WTF_OS/status/909456940169879552

This is killing me. Here are my defensive settings:



What can I do to circumvent this cheese? Seriously, this should not be happening. Taj has no reason to run a full circle out and around. Wiggins is there.

Didnt manage to see the pic.
I posted on q&a to check if anyone can try go under for off-ball, but no luck.
Have u tried off-ball go under for Aldridge? LA is a legitimate threat on perimeter shooting, I suspect AI may have the "go over" preset for offensive threat players like him. Sorry, i'm not sure if this setting is still in-place cos I havent gotten 18 yet :P

On the other hand, I suspect LA could be doing some slip screen thingy, a new feature for 18. If the AI fell for it, and u set Soft or Hard Hedge on Kawhi, this could result in Taj's anticipation of a screen coming from his man - LA. I couldnt view the other side of the court where LA came from, so couldnt really tell if this was one of those old Spurs plays or a new play.

Like what Strawberry mentioned, may be good to show yor video breakdown with no edits on the full play with full half court visibility, followed by slow mo like u did in the video.


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[JoFri]

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Here's another one, that there is no earthly way that this isn't coded into the game to allow a bucket

https://twitter.com/WTF_OS/status/908861951656198144

The thing is, these things aren't needed. Its like the game feels they are to keep things competitive. I don't get it. I'm not sure if it's just happening to me or nobody else is acknowledging it. I want this game to be great. I want them to see these things and fix them finally.

The game has so much great going on for it, to be ruined by these things.

Damn, call it anticipation with no sense of home bucket.

I usually set (in this context) this in 17 :
Chriss - gap for both on and off-ball
Booker - smother for on-ball, moderate for off-ball, go over for pnr and stayed attached for hedge. I wouldnt say this is the best strategy but it works for me, and i need to work hard to go over and at the same time not to play cheat defense by anticipating the Cpu would use the screen all the time. The stay attached feature allows my big man to stay within reach to their man and not roam somewhere else.

Try and see if it works?



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[MarkWilliam]

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On WTFs issue (rather than quote multiple posts);

I can't help but speculate that perhaps some wacky things are being done by the AI because of Thibs (dubious) defensive rating.

Maybe the Timberwolves are why some of us aren't experiencing the same issues as WTF.

If I am right in saying this, it's not right anyhow (IMO). Fundamental defensive things like this wouldn't happen despite a poor defensive coach (which Thibs clearly IS NOT haha - but that's a separate issue).

To me, players shouldn't be putting themselves out of position brainlessly. They should just be late or not helping/rotating at all (despite the defensive settings - which would represent the coach's instructions in this case).

Players on teams with a poor defensive coach (again, not Thibs) should just be bad at rotating in a timely manner. They should NOT be running around like headless chooks. Teenagers playing at a local rec centre wouldn't do it, so NBA players should definitely not be doing it either.

That Taj Gibson footage is incriminating - and it just should not exist at any level.

Personally I've never come across anything so blatant just yet. But saying that, I haven't used Minnesota yet.

[MarkWilliam]

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I just change the indvidual off ball pressure and my defense is fine from there. However, even with ACE off the game is changing my defensive matchups without my permission.

Yeah I do the individual pressure thing aswell. Game plays great for me.

Haven't done the "ACE off" thing yet so can't say I've encountered it.

Be interested in Czar's take. Perhaps tweet him and see what he says?

[Smirkin Dirk]

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The match ups get all screwed up once you change some. A bit annoying.