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  • Johnnythelegend
    Pro
    • Mar 2010
    • 812

    #1801
    Re: NBA 2k18 Impressions Thread

    I just played the game against the CPU on hall of fame and I think won't play the game for some time, atleast offline. I somehow always convince myself that it's not tha big of an issue but CPU defense is absolutely terrible, I don't know how you guys do it, I mean even when I don't want to abuse CPU's defense I can get open shots pretty easily. I was playing with Nuggets against the Wizards and after I scored an open uncontested layup with Murray after the pick and roll third time in a row I just quit the game, it's so frustrating. It's really sad because MyLeague is an amazingly deep and great mode but I can't play it if I don't like the gameplay.

    I mean, pick and roll is the most basic play, every team uses it, it's a foundation of the basketball offense, and I don't know how you can release the game where CPU absolutely suck at it. Screens are too strong, especially if player has a brick wall badge, and there are zero moving screens called, so when the defender that guards the ball gets cut off, the big doesn't really focus on the ball to stop the ballhandler from driving to the paint and when the offensive player gets to the lane, noone helps.

    I'll post the video that I posted before that illustrates what I am talking about

    gamebreaking, no rotation, no help, it's like I am playing on rookie

    Now, this doesn't happen always, but it happens too often. And it's not just that, it's skating and clipping, it's players randomly leaving guys they are guarding open without any reason, not to help, not to stop something else, they just do it.

    Layups need to be completely rebuilt, the layup animation takes too long, and it's too easy to block, that's something that maybe online players feel even more than the offline players. That's the reason why really small guys will never be able to drive and score as they do in the real life, as long as it remains how it is, and blocks when players are going down, that's so frustrating. Blocking is too easy in this game, it happens too often in situations it would never happen.


    This needs to be gone in 2k19 awell


    Along with this

    Layups that hit the bottom of the backboard are obviously some bug, and needs to be fixed, floaters are useless in this game because just as layups, it takes too long to do them and they are a big part of guards in the real life, look at Mike Conley for example.

    There are so many issues with the gameplay but these are off the top of my head and I decided to write them down here as they come to my mind, just wasn't sure if I should have posted them under the wishlist for 2k19 or here, I guess it's kind of a mix between both.

    I have never been so frustrated with the gameplay, 2k17 with it's brick wall defense and awful looking body models were less frustrating, before the patches it was a beautiful game. I've never written post like this about any 2k and this speaks for itself, 2k19 needs to be a huge upgrade regarding gameplay
    Last edited by Johnnythelegend; 03-26-2018, 04:16 PM.

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    • lareka
      MVP
      • Oct 2013
      • 1053

      #1802
      Re: NBA 2k18 Impressions Thread

      Originally posted by Johnnythelegend
      I just played the game against the CPU on hall of fame and I think won't play the game for some time, atleast offline. I somehow always convince myself that it's not tha big of an issue but CPU defense is absolutely terrible, I don't know how you guys do it, I mean even when I don't want to abuse CPU's defense I can get open shots pretty easily. I was playing with Nuggets against the Wizards and after I scored an open uncontested layup with Murray after the pick and roll third time in a row I just quit the game, it's so frustrating. It's really sad because MyLeague is an amazingly deep and great mode but I can't play it if I don't like the gameplay.

      I mean, pick and roll is the most basic play, every team uses it, it's a foundation of the basketball offense, and I don't know how you can release the game where CPU absolutely suck at it. Screens are too strong, especially if player has a brick wall badge, and there are zero moving screens called, so when the defender that guards the ball gets cut off, the big doesn't really focus on the ball to stop the ballhandler from driving to the paint and when the offensive player gets to the lane, noone helps.

      I'll post the video that I posted before that illustrates what I am talking about

      gamebreaking, no rotation, no help, it's like I am playing on rookie

      Now, this doesn't happen always, but it happens too often. And it's not just that, it's skating and clipping, it's players randomly leaving guys they are guarding open without any reason, not to help, not to stop something else, they just do it.

      Layups need to be completely rebuilt, the layup animation takes too long, and it's too easy to block, that's something that maybe online players feel even more than the offline players. That's the reason why really small guys will never be able to drive and score as they do in the real life, as long as it remains how it is, and blocks when players are going down, that's so frustrating. Blocking is too easy in this game, it happens too often in situations it would never happen.


      This needs to be gone in 2k19 awell


      Along with this

      Layups that hit the bottom of the backboard are obviously some bug, and needs to be fixed, floaters are useless in this game because just as layups, it takes too long to do them and they are a big part of guards in the real life, look at Mike Conley for example.

      There are so many issues with the gameplay but these are off the top of my head and I decided to write them down here as they come to my mind, just wasn't sure if I should have posted them under the wishlist for 2k19 or here, I guess it's kind of a mix between both.

      I have never been so frustrated with the gameplay, 2k17 with it's brick wall defense and awful looking body models were less frustrating, before the patches it was a beautiful game. I've never written post like this about any 2k and this speaks for itself, 2k19 needs to be a huge upgrade regarding gameplay
      Man you are spot-on on your complaints about NBA 2K18. I can't agree more about the CPU defenders overplaying the user especially in p&r situations and no help coming leads to easy open lay-ups even at HOF difficulty.

      That's how I made it to the NBA finals with a poor Detroit Pistons roster lol.

      My guy Poke is arranging a sliders to fix it up, if it works i'll let you know. Other than adjusting sliders you can't play it at default sliders and ask for a realistic competitive play from the CPU, they'll keep opening up the paint and stay attached to you meaninglessly all the time.
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      • Johnnythelegend
        Pro
        • Mar 2010
        • 812

        #1803
        Re: NBA 2k18 Impressions Thread

        Originally posted by lareka
        Man you are spot-on on your complaints about NBA 2K18. I can't agree more about the CPU defenders overplaying the user especially in p&r situations and no help coming leads to easy open lay-ups even at HOF difficulty.

        That's how I made it to the NBA finals with a poor Detroit Pistons roster lol.

        My guy Poke is arranging a sliders to fix it up, if it works i'll let you know. Other than adjusting sliders you can't play it at default sliders and ask for a realistic competitive play from the CPU, they'll keep opening up the paint and stay attached to you meaninglessly all the time.
        The problem is that I've tried many sliders, from sliders section on OS, tried to modify them myself aswell, tried to edit ratings of players to fix it, I put pick and roll defense iq to 99 for every player and it was still subpar. That just tells me that it is broken, if i maxed it out, yeah, I put help defense under coaching sliders at 100 aswell, and the that still didn't fix it, seems like beating a dead horse

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        • lareka
          MVP
          • Oct 2013
          • 1053

          #1804
          Re: NBA 2k18 Impressions Thread

          Originally posted by Johnnythelegend
          The problem is that I've tried many sliders, from sliders section on OS, tried to modify them myself aswell, tried to edit ratings of players to fix it, I put pick and roll defense iq to 99 for every player and it was still subpar. That just tells me that it is broken, if i maxed it out, yeah, I put help defense under coaching sliders at 100 aswell, and the that still didn't fix it, seems like beating a dead horse
          Hmm, that means the game is broken by the build. Same was true for Nba 2k7, it had frustrating problems for me and they were never being able to fixed with any slider adjustments
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          • mfdoom911e
            Pro
            • Nov 2017
            • 567

            #1805
            Re: NBA 2k18 Impressions Thread

            Originally posted by Johnnythelegend
            I just played the game against the CPU on hall of fame and I think won't play the game for some time, atleast offline. I somehow always convince myself that it's not tha big of an issue but CPU defense is absolutely terrible, I don't know how you guys do it, I mean even when I don't want to abuse CPU's defense I can get open shots pretty easily. I was playing with Nuggets against the Wizards and after I scored an open uncontested layup with Murray after the pick and roll third time in a row I just quit the game, it's so frustrating. It's really sad because MyLeague is an amazingly deep and great mode but I can't play it if I don't like the gameplay.

            I mean, pick and roll is the most basic play, every team uses it, it's a foundation of the basketball offense, and I don't know how you can release the game where CPU absolutely suck at it. Screens are too strong, especially if player has a brick wall badge, and there are zero moving screens called, so when the defender that guards the ball gets cut off, the big doesn't really focus on the ball to stop the ballhandler from driving to the paint and when the offensive player gets to the lane, noone helps.

            I'll post the video that I posted before that illustrates what I am talking about

            gamebreaking, no rotation, no help, it's like I am playing on rookie

            Now, this doesn't happen always, but it happens too often. And it's not just that, it's skating and clipping, it's players randomly leaving guys they are guarding open without any reason, not to help, not to stop something else, they just do it.

            Layups need to be completely rebuilt, the layup animation takes too long, and it's too easy to block, that's something that maybe online players feel even more than the offline players. That's the reason why really small guys will never be able to drive and score as they do in the real life, as long as it remains how it is, and blocks when players are going down, that's so frustrating. Blocking is too easy in this game, it happens too often in situations it would never happen.


            This needs to be gone in 2k19 awell


            Along with this

            Layups that hit the bottom of the backboard are obviously some bug, and needs to be fixed, floaters are useless in this game because just as layups, it takes too long to do them and they are a big part of guards in the real life, look at Mike Conley for example.

            There are so many issues with the gameplay but these are off the top of my head and I decided to write them down here as they come to my mind, just wasn't sure if I should have posted them under the wishlist for 2k19 or here, I guess it's kind of a mix between both.

            I have never been so frustrated with the gameplay, 2k17 with it's brick wall defense and awful looking body models were less frustrating, before the patches it was a beautiful game. I've never written post like this about any 2k and this speaks for itself, 2k19 needs to be a huge upgrade regarding gameplay
            this are 5 scenario of PnR against CPU in offline with tweak sliders with different results.

            <iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/JidQMuVSC6s" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

            <iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/rxvlGFiEfho" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

            <iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/D-bN8XNLDCU" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

            <iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/XJuHqgLfdy0" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

            <iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/A_rLsn1WaHs" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

            <iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/A_rLsn1WaHs" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

            this are all in the same game . i could drive directly and make or miss some of the layup bcoz of traffic. i barely have the one 's you post so YES this CPU defense could be tweak in sliders.

            dont ask me why its all Raptors, i just like Dechozen coz i believe @k actually captured Demar general game and appearance in the game.

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            • WBjam
              Pro
              • Mar 2018
              • 708

              #1806
              Re: NBA 2k18 Impressions Thread

              Derozan is not a good example because he actually IS a top slasher/driver in real life and should be in the game.

              Show me an average player who can drive past the CPU with ease as a better example.

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              • mfdoom911e
                Pro
                • Nov 2017
                • 567

                #1807
                Re: NBA 2k18 Impressions Thread

                Originally posted by WBjam
                Derozan is not a good example because he actually IS a top slasher/driver in real life and should be in the game.

                Show me an average player who can drive past the CPU with ease as a better example.
                what im trying to show is that CPU defense actually works it different ways. and not the same one above me that can free all the time he do a PnR.

                check the post not all of them is Derozan. plus i play him the way he play IRL not just go drive all the time.

                And whoever says that hip ride animation is not good?? cmon..just check that dunk on Jordan how realistic was that.

                "Show me an average player who can drive past the CPU with ease as a better example.[/QUOTE]"

                A average player cannot do that most of the time. even IRL.

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                • WBjam
                  Pro
                  • Mar 2018
                  • 708

                  #1808
                  Re: NBA 2k18 Impressions Thread

                  Ah ok you saying the opposite. TBH I don't play against CPU so I wouldn't know.

                  Hip ride animation is not good because people spam it, and it's basically unstoppable with LBJ or Durant. Then again LBJ has been pushing people out of the way IRL all season long this year on his way to bucket lol.
                  Last edited by WBjam; 03-28-2018, 04:12 AM.

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                  • mfdoom911e
                    Pro
                    • Nov 2017
                    • 567

                    #1809
                    Re: NBA 2k18 Impressions Thread

                    Originally posted by WBjam
                    Ah ok you saying the opposite. TBH I don't play against CPU so I wouldn't know.

                    Hip ride animation is not good because people spam it, and it's basically unstoppable with LBJ or Durant. Then again LBJ has been pushing people out of the way IRL all season long this year on his way to bucket lol.
                    oh im sorry if we didint get eachother i was explaining to the person i qoute to that CPU can play defense with the tweak sliders. i honestly rarely blow fast a CPU defender one on one or with a PnR even when pressing turbo bcoz if i force it..i might gat a charging, strip or miss a shot.

                    now regarding with the hip ride animation. few players can do that in the game that will result positive shot. and yes with LBJ and Durant exception which happens IRL. so i have no problem with that animation at all. its a gamble actually if you force that animation when you driving to basket. i got strip or loose the ball when i force it.

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                    • WBjam
                      Pro
                      • Mar 2018
                      • 708

                      #1810
                      Re: NBA 2k18 Impressions Thread

                      Originally posted by mfdoom911e
                      oh im sorry if we didint get eachother i was explaining to the person i qoute to that CPU can play defense with the tweak sliders. i honestly rarely blow fast a CPU defender one on one or with a PnR even when pressing turbo bcoz if i force it..i might gat a charging, strip or miss a shot.

                      now regarding with the hip ride animation. few players can do that in the game that will result positive shot. and yes with LBJ and Durant exception which happens IRL. so i have no problem with that animation at all. its a gamble actually if you force that animation when you driving to basket. i got strip or loose the ball when i force it.
                      LBJ case in point just today lmao!

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                      • Johnnythelegend
                        Pro
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 812

                        #1811
                        Re: NBA 2k18 Impressions Thread

                        Originally posted by mfdoom911e
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                        Clippers defense of the pick and roll was bad in 4 of 5 videos you posted, in the 4th clip you could've just ran to the hoop and lay it up, look how DeAndre goes like behind the basket I really don't know why you passed there. Only the fifth clip presents a sort of normal defense. 1st clip is weird and even if CPU somehow manages not to give you an open lane to the basket you can just push your way with the blowby animation.

                        And give me these sliders and I will show you how CPU's pick and roll defense and I could easily say defense overall is fundamentally broken this year. And I didn't say it happens all the time, I can't just drive to the hoop like I am on a freeway everytime, that would make this game completely ********, I said it happens too aften and too many times CPU doesn't even adapt or it takes them too long to adapt.

                        About LeBron yeah, he's hard to stop, but you just posted the highlights, did you know that he shot 7/18 that game?

                        I was like you in the first couple of months, wanted to defend the game, justify it's weaknesses, but the more I played the more I realized it's just play like an unfinished basketball game, there are so many things that need to be tuned/fixed about the gameplay. I am not playing it anymore, but I would try it with these sliders that are supposed to fix it just to show you nothing can help it. As I said, I put pick and roll defense iq of the every player in the game to 99 and I still had an easy team exploiting it. Man if you enjoy the game play it, have fun with it, kudos to you, I can't.

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                        • WBjam
                          Pro
                          • Mar 2018
                          • 708

                          #1812
                          Re: NBA 2k18 Impressions Thread

                          Why don't you play against humans then if the AI is to easy for you? I have my gripes too but that's an easy fix for you in this case if u need more of a challenge.

                          If they made it to diffcult then ppl would complain about that too.

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                          • Johnnythelegend
                            Pro
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 812

                            #1813
                            Re: NBA 2k18 Impressions Thread

                            Originally posted by WBjam
                            Why don't you play against humans then if the AI is to easy for you? I have my gripes too but that's an easy fix for you in this case if u need more of a challenge.

                            If they made it to diffcult then ppl would complain about that too.
                            Hm, where to start, well first of all, it's not just difficutly I am complaining about, I complain about the gameplay and certain aspects of gameplay regardless of the difficulty. I didn't just write "the game is too easy". And i disagree with the statement about people would complain about how difficult it is. In older 2ks hall of game was unrealistically hard, but I didn't play on hall of fame cause it was just too hard and you would just get frustrated, instead I played on all star and superstar and the game was just fine, not too easy, not too hard, without such gamebreaking things that I posted in my previous post(s).

                            Second thing, I grew up on playing games offline, I got into online gaming around 5 years ago and I've been playing various games for like 18 years. And I still like offline gaming, myleague especially more than any online mode. I jump in pro am walk on or play play now from time to time and while it can be fine, it's just not as fun as playing with your favourite team or any team that you try to rebuild and try to win the championship while getting deep into that mode, I always loved games like Football Manager or Civilization or 2k's MyLeague, these were games I could play for hours. For example pro-am walk on, this is the online mode that I played the most this year, I just don't see the progress, I don't win anything, I just play the game after game. Play Now online has a system but that's in my opinion not even close to a great myleague save. I also have input league I see many people complain about so I that takes away from the experience aswell.

                            But I mean, I wrote too much, what you suggested is not an easy fix, problems should be pointed out and fixed, not avoided.

                            I haven't play the game for the couple of days now, and the last time I played it didn't took me long to stop playing it. I am playing Live and Fortnite now, I'll see what 2k19 has to offer, if you guys find me annoying and overly negative that's ok, I'll stop arguing the games problems, but you should know that I just want this game to be great and in order to get to the greatness I think we should point to the problematic things in the game play, not justify them or try to avoid them. Example is when we say that blowby animation should be fixed people come here and say LeBron does it so it's okay

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                            • lareka
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2013
                              • 1053

                              #1814
                              Re: NBA 2k18 Impressions Thread

                              Originally posted by WBjam
                              Why don't you play against humans then if the AI is to easy for you? I have my gripes too but that's an easy fix for you in this case if u need more of a challenge.

                              If they made it to diffcult then ppl would complain about that too.
                              How is the latency ? I am sick of getting late releases when I release them on time that's why i refrain from playing online.
                              BALL DON'T LIE
                              PSN: isiah_thomas
                              XBOX: Isiahthomas1144

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                              • The 24th Letter
                                ERA
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 39373

                                #1815
                                Re: NBA 2k18 Impressions Thread

                                Originally posted by Johnnythelegend
                                But I mean, I wrote too much, what you suggested is not an easy fix, problems should be pointed out and fixed, not avoided.

                                I haven't play the game for the couple of days now, and the last time I played it didn't took me long to stop playing it. I am playing Live and Fortnite now, I'll see what 2k19 has to offer, if you guys find me annoying and overly negative that's ok, I'll stop arguing the games problems, but you should know that I just want this game to be great and in order to get to the greatness I think we should point to the problematic things in the game play, not justify them or try to avoid them. Example is when we say that blowby animation should be fixed people come here and say LeBron does it so it's okay
                                You keep saying this, lol

                                These issues have been discussed since October....there are literally over 10 threads with variations on this subject.

                                This isn't a breakthrough discovery you have stumbled upon.....you're a bit late to the party, is all. With all things, some will agree with you, some won't, some will meet you half way while discussing solutions....there will never be a universal amen just because you feel strongly about a subject.

                                Fortunately, from what it sounds like, You've found your perfect basketball alternative that doesn't give you a headache....


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