The disturbing truth about why driving to the basket is so easy this year...

[whatitisinsports]

Re: The disturbing truth about why driving to the basket is so easy this year...

And? Are your opponents CONSISTENTLY hitting these shots during the course of a game? Are you losing to these teams? Are these games ALWAYS closer than they should? If those teams are somewhat competitive against your team, then it's your team that's not living up their badges.

Just because you post a couple clips of people hitting unbelievable shots every now and then, it doesn't mean that the game is suddenly broken. Call it for what it is...a lucky damn shot.

If you have taken any amount of time to read through any of the things that I said then it's pretty clear that
1 they are hitting them consistently
2 it's across all game modes, I'm just choosing to discuss the competitive pro am mode
3 again, it's like some of you people have never played this game.
There is a huge disconnect with the attribute and badge system in relation to what's happening on the court.
It's not a few random clips either. Just for the record...I've played over 7k games in 2016.. 10k games last year and am highly rated at the start of this year.. I know what I'm talking about. Goodbye.

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[TheDuggler]

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1. The guy was 6 4 and made a heavily contested layup over 4 people after the shot clock. You are a moron. Stop talking.[/URL]

Are you honestly saying there is no way he should have hit that shot? You gave up probably the worst possible shot and got burned on it, stop pretending that having high ratings should cover your bad basketball

[Mweemwee]

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I think you're all missing the point. Whether or not bad or good defence is being played is one thing. This issue is about the fact that there is a body part, physical space blocking the path ahead and people are going through it.

Yes, it's a game and it's not perfect I get that. But this is happening every possession. I haven't just cherry picked random clips, these are all one possession after another.

Driving feels fun but when you see what's really causing you to get past the defender it's a shame that it's not a good move which makes him go the other way, or a lack of speed which keeps him behind, or a lack of agility....hes in perfect position and ready to defend but you just glitch through him.

It's fine if everyone else is happy with it, I'll take the L. But at least acknowledge the genesis of what I'm saying rather than talking about other things.

[ksuttonjr76]

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If you have taken any amount of time to read through any of the things that I said then it's pretty clear that
1 they are hitting them consistently
2 it's across all game modes, I'm just choosing to discuss the competitive pro am mode
3 again, it's like some of you people have never played this game.
There is a huge disconnect with the attribute and badge system in relation to what's happening on the court.
It's not a few random clips either. Just for the record...I've played over 7k games in 2016.. 10k games last year and am highly rated at the start of this year.. I know what I'm talking about. Goodbye.

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Still calling BS! There's no way a team of low rated players are consistently giving your "elite" team that much problem. Either you're playing against people that's playing way above their ratings, or your team sucks. Which is it?

If you're supposedly so good, these low rated teams should be a non-issue for your team. That's like Jordan bragging about being the greatest, but then complaining about how it's unfair to play against Michael Carter Williams.

[Dione2014]

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The clipping is ugly, but at the end of the day, you're hardly ever going to contain even a halfway decent ball handler by knocking him back on the perimeter. I don't care if you did run right into his chest. And don't show me a video of it happening 5 times out of 82 games because it also happens on this game as well, and it actually happens more than it does in real life. The real issue here is the lack of charging and blocking fouls. That's what keeps ball handlers in check in real life.

[strawberryshortcake]

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I wanted to do that but the only way is literally to stream a game as I only have the "record that" function of the Xbox one to work with which shows you roughly the last 20 seconds of play.

That's why I said just load up your own game and see it for yourself. you don't have to take my word for it.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=xbox+one+record+more+than+5+minutes

Don't know if I would be saying it's the disturbing truth. I thought the majority knew clipping, and body parts morphing through other body parts happened more frequently this year than any other year.

My hypothetical theory for why it happens even more frequently this year is because of time and efficiency. 2k is likely recycling their old animations, separating them from two man animations (or as much as they can). The drawback to the separation of those two man animations and the recycling of those animations result in more frequent clipping sort of like trying to fit multiple puzzle pieces together that normally wouldn't fit together. Two man animation should theoretically allow for clipping free (two perfect puzzle pieces fitting together). Multiple unexpected animation combinations would increase the amount of clipping if 2k didn't allocate time and resources to calculate each and every single possible collision detection (watch video below).

You still want puzzle A&B and C&D and E&F to be in the game. Hypothetical guess. Ordinarily, you'd only be able to trigger those three (3) combinations only. A&B and C&D and E&F together. That was it. Three different combinations. The other animation combinations such as A&E and B&F wouldn't have worked in previously 2k because those combination would never have triggered.

Hypothetically, now that 2k allows us to trigger more combinations:

A&B, A&C, A&D, A&E, A&F,
B&A, B&C, B&D, B&E, B&F,
C&A, C&B, C&D, C&E, C&F,
D&A, D&B, D&C, D&E, D&F,
E&A, E&B, E&C, E&D, E&F,
F&A, F&B, F&C, F&D, F&E,

etc. combinations, clipping theoretically will be more prevalent because certain animations combinations just doesn't "match" up properly in the world of two man animations. In a world where more animation combinations are allowable plus the recycling of old animations results in more clipping. Again, all hypothetical. And I could be completely dead wrong. If they would have kept the two man animations in place, clipping would have been less prevalent. Yes, even with two man animations, the clipping is still there.

All the necessary calculations to remove clipping would have eaten a lot of time. 2k is trying to get away from relying heavily on long drawn out animations to give users more control. If this is year one of their new motion system, then by year two we should see an improvement but not a completely elimination of clipping.

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[Smallville102001]

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Yes the game has Clipping but all video games do and yes it can look ugly but I don't see the clipping all the time just once in a while. Most of the time to see the clipping I have to look at replays in slow motion. So I don't really seeing being worse then clipping in other video games. Would it be nice to have zero clipping in video games? Yes but if it is not all the time it is not a big deal. Before this year there was so much bumping on the outside and on drives that it looked really fake and was the kind of bumping that in real life would get you called for fouls and in foul trouble a lot and yet in 2k they would almost never get called has a foul. Also with all the bumping in the past it made it way to hard to drive when you had a mismatch. So I would rather have this years driving game then the past and its bumping that happened all the time.

[Smallville102001]

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Maybe they can add a clipping slider 😆😆😆

I know it's not funny..I do like the fact I can drive..now without being called for a charge..but I think that might be the problem a bit,we can keep trying to get past someone until basically it morphs and allows us to drive..

I still prefer this over last year when Everytime you tried to drive ..or bump a guy a bit the called a charge.

In the end this shouldn't be happening.

Hopefully will be patched,but man all the problems that's going to be one tough patch..this needed to be addressed more Than sock/shoes/tattoos..I think this can. Be hotfixed

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In general we need charging calls in like 12 games I have not had 1 called on me or CPU and that is even with having the slider at 100 the last like 6 games but I don't think you can really just force your way into the paint because I find when you do try to force your way in you most of the time will end up either losing control of the ball or get stripped.

[dramachild11]

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The clipping is ugly, but at the end of the day, you're hardly ever going to contain even a halfway decent ball handler by knocking him back on the perimeter. I don't care if you did run right into his chest. And don't show me a video of it happening 5 times out of 82 games because it also happens on this game as well, and it actually happens more than it does in real life. The real issue here is the lack of charging and blocking fouls. That's what keeps ball handlers in check in real life.

The last sentence of this post I have to agree with whole heartedly, blocking fouls are the number one call made on most drives and have never been represented well over the years... As to the OP I really gotta say MEH on your complaint, it's frustrating sure but definitely not new to this game , I've seen more realistic arm an hand interaction on drives than ever before and driving is easier simply cause we've been complaining for 3 years straight that on ball defense was unrealistic

[olajuwon34]

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This is also the reason its impossible to guard the ball in play now online, i use to not like people off balling, but im having to off ball on alot of guys who zig zag back and forth, i simply cannot guard them and they always get to the rim or get a good shot.

[Mweemwee]

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Now I've had the benefit of a night sleep and not being ill (I had the flu yesterday but it's eased up today) I see what everyone is saying.

The video explaining how collisions work in games helped so thanks for that. I now understand what you guys are saying. What I'm seeing isn't really affecting gameplay, it's still allowing the right situations to occur it's just that they don't look as pretty as they could. But the fact that you can drive around people etc is important and I agree that you can only really see this when you slow it down and look at a replay, it's not like you notice it in game (I just played a game and didn't see it)

I also take the point about the perfect defence comment, clearly my defence needs some work so that's noted. Thanks to all who commented.

[raiderphantom]

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I feel bad for you OP, this thread has been completely derailed and branched off into 14 different topics lol. I see what you're saying but this is the best 2K game I've possibly ever played. I feel like skills matter this year. I can't reallly complain because I dont want anything changed!

[sudanmalkovich]

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just think of it as their limit of development skills.
they just couldn't pull off this game play smoothness without bad clippings.

they would do it if they could.

[Mweemwee]

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Yep I totally get that now, I can deal with not looking at instant replays too closely for a year And hopefully next year they can clean this up a bit

[ksuttonjr76]

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Yep I totally get that now, I can deal with not looking at instant replays too closely for a year And hopefully next year they can clean this up a bit

Definitely. It's a completely new motions engine. A previous poster explained it best about that there could still be "legacy" animations still unaccounted for which could be causing the unnecessary clipping. Hell, I'm just glad it didn't end up like NBA Elite/Live 11. One of their downfalls was trying to go to a completely brand new game engine the next cycle. It's a shame, because I thought Live 10 was their best game at that time.