Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

[xCoachDx]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

Not by much. Most shots in the NBA are contested

I think height and wingspan of who is defending has a lot to do with it.


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[Rsnake21]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

I'm just saying if mike went full sim the % wouldn't be much different, then where would skill gap come into play?

[xCoachDx]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

I had a game yesterday where a guy was playing zone and had ZERO idea what he was doing. I was getting wide open set shots in each corner with two shooters rated 85+ in their three point shooting. Getting good/wide open shot ratings, I went something like 7/20, which I don't see as "realistic."

I completely hear you on missing 4 wide open shots and then making a contested one. Happens far too often. I've had a number of games where I am getting a significant number of more open looks than my opponent and our shooting numbers are relatively the same.

I'm starting to think that this game has some underlying True Shooting % system attached to our release points. When I am in MyCareer doing workouts, the 20 shots using the Gun for example, I make the exact same number of shots just about every time. Everything shooting related just seems odd to me at the moment.


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Just adding on to this, every practice session of Limitless Range has been 9 of 20. Every practice session of Catch and Shoot has been 11 of 20. Literally every one. Also, my "Slightly early/late" percentages have been higher than my "Good" releases. I really think there is True Shooting % heavily weighing in on our shots more so than release point and openness.


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[strawberryshortcake]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

There lies the issue. Real life vs video games. If mike went full sim there would be very little difference between shot% of open vs covered which in return would mean playing good defense wouldn't matter very much

Not sure why you would say that (i.e. shot% of open vs covered) seeing as how contested shots do affect a players shot success even when their stroke looks exactly the as their make shots.

Halftime of the Warriors vs Nuggets preseason game right now. The Warriors went 1/15 from 3 point land. Contested shots were all over the place causing both teams to miss shots. Curry even missed some wide wide wide open 3s.


EDIT: A Denver Nugget just shot an air ball corner 3 when Kevin Durant contested the shot.

[ILLSmak]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

I dont get you. Most NBA teams have about 37% from wide open 3s. So in real life NBA teams arent punished for leaving guys open so why should they get punished in game that pretends to be simulation? This game is based on statistics not only on skill, you can be better but you have Sacramento and other guy have GSW, he can beat you even if hes playing bad basketball, thats not Quake where better always win.

I disliked how 2k seemed to (at least years before this one?) have paint defense that was a bit too strong and 'open shots' that were a bit too easy, but there needs to be balance some way. There needs to be a better percentage of 3 point shots than real life, in my opinion, because if there isn't then you are required to make paint scoring too hard to compensate.

To say teams should make 37% of open threes does not ring true to me because if you watch the way a play unfolds, it seems that plays have different rhythms. If the shooter is in a spot he wants to be in and he knows when the ball is coming to him, he will make more than 37%, if he had been standing there for 8 seconds, he might make less. The point is that you should be able to create a good look for 3. Not every time, I'm all for having off shooting games and not being able to 'shoot out of them', but ideally, you should have confidence in making a shot you 'set up.'

Now, a lot of the shot people take are not rhythm shots, that's why I always said it would be nice to see players have not just who was passing to them, but badges or a rating that dealt with a player's rhythm in the offense. I'd even be into a thing that was like 'shooting pocket' or something where you would press a button and get a boost to receive a pass (if you didn't move) and then it would drop off afterwards (so if you didn't get the pass when you wanted it, like say, you press it 2 seconds before to 'set up' then rhythm would drop your percentage.)

That's just a weird idea, might not be necessary to go that far, but something needs to be done so that people can make 'good shots' that the offense works for and not make shots that are cheesy. As it is now, or as it was, it seemed like making good open shots cash meant you could wet from 30 off the dribble with the right guy.

-Smak

[jfsolo]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

I'm just saying if mike went full sim the % wouldn't be much different, then where would skill gap come into play?

The primary skill gap should be about using mismatches and running sets to maximize the amount of open opportunities. If the game being playing is about basketball concepts and not exploits, then creating 10 or 12 more shots a game with a 10 percent better chance to go in, should make that team more likely to win most of the time, the outlier games of being super hot or super cold notwithstanding.

[JJRuelz]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

Not everyone likes a sim experience. Having a higher change of missing a shot than making it, even after doing everything right makes the game very RNG. I don't give a damn how good stephen curry shoots.

[Rsnake21]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

Not everyone likes a sim experience. Having a higher change of missing a shot than making it, even after doing everything right makes the game very RNG. I don't give a damn how good stephen curry shoots.

I believe the sim experience (shot %) should come from better defense being played

[TjJunior]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

It's as simple as if you can't go outside and do it on a basketball court, you can't do it on the game. Even if you wanted to do it in the game, you could adjust the sliders to make 3 pointers more often. The OP is right, I don't even understand how this is a gripe.

[JJRuelz]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

It's as simple as if you can't go outside and do it on a basketball court, you can't do it on the game. Even if you wanted to do it in the game, you could adjust the sliders to make 3 pointers more often. The OP is right, I don't even understand how this is a gripe.

You don't understand why it's a gripe because you're not trying to understand.

The main gripe is you can do EVERYTHING right in a game of 2k and still lose because somebody else's shots are falling and their getting lucky. The main people who think it's a problem cannot adjust sliders.

[xCoachDx]

Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

It's as simple as if you can't go outside and do it on a basketball court, you can't do it on the game. Even if you wanted to do it in the game, you could adjust the sliders to make 3 pointers more often. The OP is right, I don't even understand how this is a gripe.

Klay Thompson went 13 of 13 in a quarter. So Shooting over 50% is definitely possible and realistic.


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[Rsnake21]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

I'd like to see a poll of what pro am players and other mode players think about it. I bet you'd find the contrast right there

[torpidbeaver]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

You can do EVERYTHING right in a game of basketball and still lose because somebody else's shots are falling and they’re getting lucky.

Feels like that’s pretty much basketball.

And I mean... are you saying that your shots are always the ones that don’t fall? Shouldn’t the luck even out? It’s not like you’re playing against someone who gets to play with different rules or different game mechanics.

[Rsnake21]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

Feels like that’s pretty much basketball.

And I mean... are you saying that your shots are always the ones that don’t fall? Shouldn’t the luck even out? It’s not like you’re playing against someone who gets to play with different rules or different game mechanics.

I get what he's saying though. In a 7 game series maybe the luck evens out but in 1 game situation and you're on the bad side of things it gets frustrating. And again my point of view is strictly pro am

[qclonewolf]

Re: Stop complaining about not making 50%+ wide open 3s

Since so many ppl are complaining about missing wide open 3s:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/w...-defenses-pay/

Its from reddit. Nba teams have 35-45% form wide open 3s, Steph has 46%.

They don't understand real basketball... nobody shooting 80 or 100% from 3 no matter how wide open you are...it about realistic stats and game play

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