"Buying your Player"

[Kleinevos]

Re: "Buying your Player"

. ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONLINE MULTIPLAYER GAME WITH AN AUDIENCE HAS A PAY SYSTEM!

Csgo?
DotA2
LoL?

Wtf u talking about



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[eric7064]

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Even 2k realized it's an issue when they are promoting that its easier to get more VC this year. And you get it for anything you do.

[GLegend1226]

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Stop....stop...stop...I'm going to put an end to your stupid "You don't have to play that mode" argument. I mainly play PNO which gives me 500 VC per game with occasional 600 VC. Still not enough VC. I NEED MORE VC to build my character up. I play My Career....damn...still not enough VC. Okay...what's left? I guess I have to play some ProAm/Park games to help along the process.

WHAT??? I'm still not getting enough. Now what...I guess I have to keep playing games in all the modes to get enough VC, because playing ONLY PNO is not going to cut it. Playing PNO AND MyCareer is not going to cut it. Damn...this is about to be a long grind. I'll throw in 2KTV and mobile app to get some more on the side.

Once again, no one cares about people buying VC. No one cares about the competitive advantage you have (no matter how much you think it's NOT a competitive advantage) with the maxed out 85 character. We're talking about the VC economy that puts pressure on people to purchase VC who made the choice not to. It's like working at a minimum wage job and hoping to buy a Lexus within the year. It's possible, but you have to put in a lot hours to do it.

I love a good debate and listening to different perspectives on how gamers play the game and what their buying processes are. But there is no need for people to insult people in order to get their point across. That's a huge issue in today's society. If we disagree, we have to insult. Not healthy at all.


Back on topic, you said that no one care about the people buying VC and your blame is not on them. That might be for you, but there are people on the thread and who are liking your post are putting the blame on the consumers who purchase VC, like myself. I know that's not on you, but it just goes to my point that there are people who cares about VC purchasers and think we're the cause of your awful experience of grinding.
So as the OP, my point was never to disregard your issues, which is the awful grind that people had to deal with last year. The grind from 85 to 93 was no picnic for me, but I definitely can see how bad the issues were for the people who started at 60. I'm competitive at a 85, a lot of people are not at 60.
But my question to people, is the issue with the people who purchase VC, 2k for making the grind "unbearable", or the industry as who has adopted this practice.
Because I 100% agree with the 2k18 being awful with the micros. And I believe the feedback from us, the consumers, helped in hopefully changing that for 2k19.
But if they eliminate the option for people to get to an 85, that would not change the grind, it would just add more people to the misery. If you made the grind quicker and less taxing, there will still be people who complain about the ones who buys VC to upgrade their player. If they made everyone start off at a 70 besides 60, but gave people the option to buy up to an 85, that would satisfy some. But you would have still have people who would say, "I'm a 70 and people are an 85 the first day, that's not fair". So its all subjective.


What if they just make everyone a 90 off the bat, who that satisfy everyone? No it wouldn't.


So my point of the post was not to disregard the issues that you and others who don't add VC experience, because I agree with them 100%. My point was towards the people who aim the blame towards the VC purchasers.


My opinion on the matter is I like the option to add VC to your player to skip the grind. But I also want them to make it less painful for the grind from 60-85 (and beyond). What 2k has to balance is how to do that, without devaluing the ability to quick boost to an 85. Because if you can go from 60-85 in a week, then I would say, no need for me to add the VC. But there is a balance that 2k, and all companies, have to balance. Not to outprice the market and turn people off, which they did last year. And when they do, 2k has to course correct, which hopefully they did this year.

[ksuttonjr76]

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I love a good debate and listening to different perspectives on how gamers play the game and what their buying processes are. But there is no need for people to insult people in order to get their point across. That's a huge issue in today's society. If we disagree, we have to insult. Not healthy at all.


Back on topic, you said that no one care about the people buying VC and your blame is not on them. That might be for you, but there are people on the thread and who are liking your post are putting the blame on the consumers who purchase VC, like myself. I know that's not on you, but it just goes to my point that there are people who cares about VC purchasers and think we're the cause of your awful experience of grinding.
So as the OP, my point was never to disregard your issues, which is the awful grind that people had to deal with last year. The grind from 85 to 93 was no picnic for me, but I definitely can see how bad the issues were for the people who started at 60. I'm competitive at a 85, a lot of people are not at 60.
But my question to people, is the issue with the people who purchase VC, 2k for making the grind "unbearable", or the industry as who has adopted this practice.
Because I 100% agree with the 2k18 being awful with the micros. And I believe the feedback from us, the consumers, helped in hopefully changing that for 2k19.
But if they eliminate the option for people to get to an 85, that would not change the grind, it would just add more people to the misery. If you made the grind quicker and less taxing, there will still be people who complain about the ones who buys VC to upgrade their player. If they made everyone start off at a 70 besides 60, but gave people the option to buy up to an 85, that would satisfy some. But you would have still have people who would say, "I'm a 70 and people are an 85 the first day, that's not fair". So its all subjective.


What if they just make everyone a 90 off the bat, who that satisfy everyone? No it wouldn't.


So my point of the post was not to disregard the issues that you and others who don't add VC experience, because I agree with them 100%. My point was towards the people who aim the blame towards the VC purchasers.


My opinion on the matter is I like the option to add VC to your player to skip the grind. But I also want them to make it less painful for the grind from 60-85 (and beyond). What 2k has to balance is how to do that, without devaluing the ability to quick boost to an 85. Because if you can go from 60-85 in a week, then I would say, no need for me to add the VC. But there is a balance that 2k, and all companies, have to balance. Not to outprice the market and turn people off, which they did last year. And when they do, 2k has to course correct, which hopefully they did this year.

Personally, I would never take away the option for people to purchase VC. As I said in a different thread, 95% of the people who purchase VC to max out their characters already know how to play the game minus the yearly adjustments made to the gameplay. There will be that small percentage of people who's picking up the game for the first time, buy VC to max out their characters, but they'll get exposed quick enough. In my eyes, the 95% is just skipping the "tutorial" of the game. I understand. For me, I just like the challenge of building up my character with the exception of how it was done in NBA 2K18.

As for the whole "Microtransactions exist, because people bought into it" argument. I don't subscribe to that mindset. Microtransactions was the future of gaming no matter what as long we live in a society that wants instant gratification over hard work. That's just (for better or worse) human nature. Take 2 (parent company of NBA 2K) just got greedy, because they saw the success they were having with GTA5. At this point, gamers (for better or worse) have accepted microtransactions and loot boxes as being part of the "gaming experience". Gamers was supposed to have nipped that problem way back in the day when they started selling DLC in the first place. Over the years, game companies start testing gamers to see what they were willing to buy and what they wasn't willing to buy. Take 2 just took it to a level that I didn't think was possible.

[HustlaCJ]

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Stop....stop...stop...I'm going to put an end to your stupid "You don't have to play that mode" argument. I mainly play PNO which gives me 500 VC per game with occasional 600 VC. Still not enough VC. I NEED MORE VC to build my character up. I play My Career....damn...still not enough VC. Okay...what's left? I guess I have to play some ProAm/Park games to help along the process.

WHAT??? I'm still not getting enough. Now what...I guess I have to keep playing games in all the modes to get enough VC, because playing ONLY PNO is not going to cut it. Playing PNO AND MyCareer is not going to cut it. Damn...this is about to be a long grind. I'll throw in 2KTV and mobile app to get some more on the side.

Once again, no one cares about people buying VC. No one cares about the competitive advantage you have (no matter how much you think it's NOT a competitive advantage) with the maxed out 85 character. We're talking about the VC economy that puts pressure on people to purchase VC who made the choice not to. It's like working at a minimum wage job and hoping to buy a Lexus within the year. It's possible, but you have to put in a lot hours to do it.

Whatever bruh I picked up the game at 3:30 and my store had the 60 dollar version so I’m done with this convo and about to buy this 50 in vc to get 85 and unlock some animations..good talking though bruh, enjoy your day

[HustlaCJ]

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And for the record, I agree with everyone that the grind to 99 was ridiculous, but that wasn’t the fault of VC buyers..you’re basically saying the money we spent on 2k17 made them change the model..2k changed that on their own by trying to move from legend to 99 mode..they realized their mistake and claim to have fixed it..don’t point the finger at the micro transactions..it was a game company experimenting

[Walt Frazier]

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My Player is a complete farce IMO.

I am a dinosaur, but I fail to see WHY anyone plays it.

I played once...played team ball, got myself free, came off screens...i.e. HOW you are meant to play..................and I shot 0 from 7 from downtown.


Everyone else had high level players they'd paid to 'upgrade'.


I paid for VC...upgraded my 3 ball shooting....played another game........did all the same things and shot 4 form 7 from downtown.

In other words, i paid to make those shots.

Why bother?

Me v the CPU and that is it for me personally. I fail to see why anyone bothers online.

[GK_11]

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Ive never spent a dime on VC, but i got the anniversary version cause I wanna play tonight. If you wanna get in the club without waiting for 2 hrs, sometimes you gotta slide the bouncer a 20.

Or go to a different club.

Just dont be mad at the dude whos in the club having fun cause he could afford to skip the line.

[ksuttonjr76]

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My Player is a complete farce IMO.

I am a dinosaur, but I fail to see WHY anyone plays it.

I played once...played team ball, got myself free, came off screens...i.e. HOW you are meant to play..................and I shot 0 from 7 from downtown.


Everyone else had high level players they'd paid to 'upgrade'.


I paid for VC...upgraded my 3 ball shooting....played another game........did all the same things and shot 4 form 7 from downtown.

In other words, i paid to make those shots.

Why bother?

Me v the CPU and that is it for me personally. I fail to see why anyone bothers online.

Human vs human competition....

[ph33]

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Me v the CPU and that is it for me personally. I fail to see why anyone bothers online.

It's basically a 5 on 5 basketball RPG

A lot of dudes here keep up with friends or just chill through these games. It's why Fortnite took off as much as it did, group games are the rage

[Juve]

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I LOVE the idea of a ranked system or ranked courts. Knowing that we would be playing against players ranked similar to us would make alot of people feel better about the grind and VC, I believe

I think alot of vc is bought just to be able to compete with everyone else faster

If I knew I could take my player and play around the same rated people everytime, I probably wouldnt feel the need to buy any extra VC

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[RockinDaMike]

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I honestly don’t see the big deal. I don’t pay for VC and If i wanted competition I play regular matches.

And if you love that mode then take half the time you grind in the game and grind in real life and you can buy whatever you want plus more.

You don’t even have to spend that much. I’ve seen people spend crazy amounts on GTA5. At least it’s not erased and you have to start over again next year like 2k.








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[XxCavaliers360]

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Me v the CPU and that is it for me personally. I fail to see why anyone bothers online.

Because being able to outsmart a human is more fun than outsmarting a computer that can't adapt to you; just my two cents.

[Juve]

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I think it has more to do with casual gamers tend to play more myplayer and pro am

And I'd bet that theres alot more casual gamers than there are hardcore sim gamers

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[Geolink]

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If you're too busy to grind then quite frankly you need to do something else with your time.