"Buying your Player"

[Bernte]

Re: "Buying your Player"

Yeah because spending some money on entertainment you enjoy is such a "kick in the nuts"

well, here's i see it: i buy a full price game, but i cannot fully out of the box enjoy it, because everything is hidden behind the vc wall. and earning enough vc requires an horrendous grind (that's 2ks "kick in the nuts"). but, since 2k is a nice company, they offer me, if i pay an additional amount of money, that i CAN enjoy it directly out of the box and skip their horrendous grind, which blatantly has only been created to make me pay on top of what i've paid for the game itself (it's their "first aid kit").

[ODogg]

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well, here's i see it: i buy a full price game, but i cannot fully out of the box enjoy it, because everything is hidden behind the vc wall. and earning enough vc requires an horrendous grind (that's 2ks "kick in the nuts"). but, since 2k is a nice company, they offer me, if i pay an additional amount of money, that i CAN enjoy it directly out of the box and skip their horrendous grind, which blatantly has only been created to make me pay on top of what i've paid for the game itself (it's their "first aid kit").

See that's not a game problem though, that's more of a you problem. There are many people who do buy the game and enjoy it without spending any money on VC. I'd wager to say the majority of them do.

And I do understand what you mean by "the grind" but cmon man, it's just playing the game.

What the real issue here is patience. You don't have the patience to play the game to get what you like but yet you don't want to spend the money for it either.

Again, that's more of an issue you have because you want what is there if you work at it or pay for it but don't want to do either.

[Bernte]

Re: "Buying your Player"

Like you said we grown out here and I work extremely hard for my money and I spend it on whatever I want. I agree with you 110%, cause I've been at the bar and spent like $250 which is enough to max out two myplayers lol. So just because you don't want to give up the bread whether you don't have it or if you just can't make sense of it doesn't mean that I should follow the same principle. Thats why we have this thing called free will. At the end of the day its a business and 2k knows that and yes business is good lol but thats not gonna stop me from buying vc if I wanted to.

let's go back to the bar: imagine you'd order a drink. you pay the full price up front. only then you realize, that your glass is only half full. the barkeeper offers you to fill the whole glass if you'd clean all the tables in the bar. or, and here's the real deal, you'd pay some additional money and he'd fill your glass immediately without you having to clean the tables. oh, and the fancy umbrella and the tasty fruits and the sugar is also not included. again, some more table cleaning or some additional money.

[ODogg]

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let's go back to the bar: imagine you'd order a drink. you pay the full price up front. only then you realize, that your glass is only half full. the barkeeper offers you to fill the whole glass if you'd clean all the tables in the bar. or, and here's the real deal, you'd pay some additional money and he'd fill your glass immediately without you having to clean the tables. oh, and the fancy umbrella and the tasty fruits and the sugar is also not included. again, some more table cleaning or some additional money.

I've got a better analogy.

You go to the bar to get drunk. Bartender gives you a drink for $5 with 1-shot of vodka and cranberry. You want 3-shots of vodka cuz after all, you're here to get drunk!

He tells you that you can either pay another $5 or you can sweep up the restroom.

You say you aren't going to do either one and he should have just made 3-shots of vodka the standard for a $5 drink in the first place. But since they didn't they should just give you extra shots because you feel like it's unfair.

Meanwhile just about everyone else in the bar is happy with the $5 1-shot vodka & cranberry.

That's a better analogy here.

[El_Poopador]

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Nope, just saying that as a grown up, $50 for months of entertainment is a great bargain. Kick in the nuts? I’m purchasing value and entertainment.

It must be a generational thing. I’m 40, married with kids. If I was 16-17 and didn’t have a job it might be different.

Tomorrow instead of going golfing ($50) or out to the bar ($?? More than 50), I’m spending $50 on something that will last for an entire 12 months. And it will be way more enjoyable to me than either golfing or the bar actually.

But you already paid $60 to play the game. What you're saying is that you're paying an additional $50 to make the game fun.

[ODogg]

Re: "Buying your Player"

But you already paid $60 to play the game. What you're saying is that you're paying an additional $50 to make the game fun.

No, he's saying he enjoys the game and spending more money will get him to the part he enjoys the most in a hurry.

I mean let's all be honest here, if VC didn't exist we'd still be buying the game and playing it and working to get our characters moved up. That would not change.

What you say above would indicate that without the ability to buy VC he wouldn't buy or enjoy the game and that is not the case for anyone here I can tell you almost assuredly.

[El_Poopador]

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No, he's saying he enjoys the game and spending more money will get him to the part he enjoys the most in a hurry.

I mean let's all be honest here, if VC didn't exist we'd still be buying the game and playing it and working to get our characters moved up. That would not change.

What you say above would indicate that without the ability to buy VC he wouldn't buy or enjoy the game and that is not the case for anyone here I can tell you almost assuredly.

But if VC didn't exist, they would likely make the starting point more balanced. That's the issue I have with it. Starting off as a complete scrub with no skills or athleticism is not fun whatsoever. Like I said, if they would at least give us physical attributes that are on par with the rest of the NBA, I would have no problem. But if I create a PG, I shouldn't be slower than an average center, with less agility as well.

[Bernte]

Re: "Buying your Player"

I've got a better analogy.

You go to the bar to get drunk. Bartender gives you a drink for $5 with 1-shot of vodka and cranberry. You want 3-shots of vodka cuz after all, you're here to get drunk!

He tells you that you can either pay another $5 or you can sweep up the restroom.

You say you aren't going to do either one and he should have just made 3-shots of vodka the standard for a $5 drink in the first place. But since they didn't they should just give you extra shots because you feel like it's unfair.

Meanwhile just about everyone else in the bar is happy with the $5 1-shot vodka & cranberry.

That's a better analogy here.

actually, no. it would only work if 3 shots of vodka were $5 before. and then, for no particular reason besided ripping alcohol addicts off, 1 shot is $5. the other two, you can clean the restrooms for, or pay again.

[Bernte]

Re: "Buying your Player"

No, he's saying he enjoys the game and spending more money will get him to the part he enjoys the most in a hurry.

I mean let's all be honest here, if VC didn't exist we'd still be buying the game and playing it and working to get our characters moved up. That would not change.

What you say above would indicate that without the ability to buy VC he wouldn't buy or enjoy the game and that is not the case for anyone here I can tell you almost assuredly.

the thing is, there is a correlation between vc becoming the focal point of nba 2k and the "horrendousness" of the grind. in case you haven't noticed...

[T.B]

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But if VC didn't exist, they would likely make the starting point more balanced. That's the issue I have with it. Starting off as a complete scrub with no skills or athleticism is not fun whatsoever. Like I said, if they would at least give us physical attributes that are on par with the rest of the NBA, I would have no problem. But if I create a PG, I shouldn't be slower than an average center, with less agility as well.

No complaining then when you're bored after 4 months saying there's nothing else to do in the park is boring

[ODogg]

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the thing is, there is a correlation between vc becoming the focal point of nba 2k and the "horrendousness" of the grind. in case you haven't noticed...

Well I agree with you there that there are degrees of it..last year they went a bit too far and people got mad. This year, from what I hear though, that has been alleviated and the balance is back.

[El_Poopador]

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No complaining then when you're bored after 4 months saying there's nothing else to do in the park is boring

I wouldn't complain. Playing basketball is fun. It's why sports games in general existed for years before introducing career modes. People still played NBA 2K for a full year when the only modes were using NBA players, where attributes generally didn't change at all.

If the game on the court isn't the fun part, then they're not doing it right.

[ODogg]

Re: "Buying your Player"

I wouldn't complain. Playing basketball is fun. It's why sports games in general existed for years before introducing career modes. People still played NBA 2K for a full year when the only modes were using NBA players, where attributes generally didn't change at all.

If the game on the court isn't the fun part, then they're not doing it right.

^^^^^^THIS

Gamers have become way too entitled!

[jaebonez34]

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But you already paid $60 to play the game. What you're saying is that you're paying an additional $50 to make the game fun.

Nah what I'm saying is that I enjoy the game regardless but because I have the money and its not gonna hurt me in the long run to pay $50 or whatever amount I want, then thats what I CHOOSE to do. I had fun playing 2k back in the day when VC wasn't a thing, I've been playing 2k since the first one with AI on the cover for the Dreamcast. So they have been getting my money for a very long time lol.

[ImInThis]

Re: "Buying your Player"

The problem with VC is the grind becomes unbearable for those of us who don't want to spend $130(Game + New Player + Animations) AND another $80 for each new player.


I couldn't care less about whoever buys VC, just don't make me grind hard as hell.


I don't know how long it takes now, but I can't imagine the grind for 2-3 builds. 2k should've made it to where your new builds get bonus xp after your initial build hits 90.