How did 2K fall so far from grace? Fan reviews are in

[ranger91]

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Not really sure much can be taken from that rating. It's obvious that only people going in to give their rating are those who hate VC. VC deserves some criticism no doubt but the game is not "bad" overall. These low ratings basically reflect the "vocal minority". If a large percentage of people really felt this way, the game wouldn't be sale so many copies each year. VC has been around for years and people continue to buy 2K in huge numbers.

Most people that love this game are busy playing it. They aren't going around the internet trying to post positive messages the way that people who hate the game go around the internet trying to bash it everywhere they can. Same with Madden and people that hate Madden. Obviously, Madden does a lot of frustrating things such as their lack of attention to franchise modes, but it's still a solid game if most people are being honest. The internet in general is going to be filled with people who can't have fun with games and must push their negative agenda.

[Jaysonguy]

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i THINK some are secretly upset they have to play smarter to win a game. These are the cheese players who are complaining.

The grind is not nearly as bad as last year.

No, you're an apologist for underhanded business.

The way they have tried to nerf the game in order to push people into spending more money on modes they have already put a time investment in shows the grind is still there and just as bad.

The only difference is last year people didn't buy the game or skipped modes that they didn't want to grind. This year they promised less grinding, gave extra rewards for games on release, let people get 20-30 hours into the game and then changed everything.

[Jaysonguy]

Re: How did 2K fall so far from grace? Fan reviews are in

Not really sure much can be taken from that rating. It's obvious that only people going in to give their rating are those who hate VC. VC deserves some criticism no doubt but the game is not "bad" overall. These low ratings basically reflect the "vocal minority". If a large percentage of people really felt this way, the game wouldn't be sale so many copies each year. VC has been around for years and people continue to buy 2K in huge numbers.

Most people that love this game are busy playing it. They aren't going around the internet trying to post positive messages the way that people who hate the game go around the internet trying to bash it everywhere they can. Same with Madden and people that hate Madden. Obviously, Madden does a lot of frustrating things such as their lack of attention to franchise modes, but it's still a solid game if most people are being honest. The internet in general is going to be filled with people who can't have fun with games and must push their negative agenda.

The reason you're not seeing the sales drop is that they did a bait and switch.

They paid to have everyone on social media spread that the earnings were fixed and not as outright evil this year. Once the game launched and early access then started doing well with rewards that led more to buy it. Now that people are invested in the game and those who were going to avoid it didn't because the VC problem was fixed they went and changed it.

[Junior Moe]

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Not really sure much can be taken from that rating. It's obvious that only people going in to give their rating are those who hate VC. VC deserves some criticism no doubt but the game is not "bad" overall. These low ratings basically reflect the "vocal minority". If a large percentage of people really felt this way, the game wouldn't be sale so many copies each year. VC has been around for years and people continue to buy 2K in huge numbers.

Most people that love this game are busy playing it. They aren't going around the internet trying to post positive messages the way that people who hate the game go around the internet trying to bash it everywhere they can. Same with Madden and people that hate Madden. Obviously, Madden does a lot of frustrating things such as their lack of attention to franchise modes, but it's still a solid game if most people are being honest. The internet in general is going to be filled with people who can't have fun with games and must push their negative agenda.

Yep. 2K18 was at 2 stars at one point on Amazon last year. Amazon is pretty reputable. Still, it went on to sell 10 million copies. This after such a low rating at launch. People were still on here talking about the games dead. It's more wishful thinking than anything really.

[GisherJohn24]

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What amazes me, if they hate the game so much , these apparently to be the people who continue to buy it . I mean they pretty much knew what they were getting into yet they say they hate the game but they are still working out the money to buy it. I would make the argument that there's enough to do in this game that you don't need to spend any VC at all to get your money's worth.

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No, you're an apologist for underhanded business.

The way they have tried to nerf the game in order to push people into spending more money on modes they have already put a time investment in shows the grind is still there and just as bad.

The only difference is last year people didn't buy the game or skipped modes that they didn't want to grind. This year they promised less grinding, gave extra rewards for games on release, let people get 20-30 hours into the game and then changed everything.

Yall claim that yall hate VC, but you're the reason that it exists and continues to exist.

Like the Star Wars nerds did. Don't like it, don't buy it

[MrWrestling3]

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https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/nba-2k19

Yikes. 2.6 fan/audience score out of 10. Mainly due to accusations of pay to win and insane grinding. Has 2K gotten too greedy?

As long as 2k stays part of Take-Two nothing will ever change. Or in other words as their CEO said this year: "We havent monetarized the players enough".

From a post I made in a different thread on a similar topic:

"You can't give stuff away for free in perpetuity;there's no business model in that.We are convinced that we are probably from an industry view under-monetizing on a per-user basis." - Strauss Zelnick, Take 2 CEO.

"VC is an unfortunate reality of modern gaming.Every game, at some point. in some way has currency and they're trying to get additional revenue from each player that plays the game. You know, the question has to be when does it feel like it's a straight money grab versus when does it feel like it's value added,right?

We know nowadays that most people don't have the patience to work their way to the top.They just wanna be there right away.So,you know,we look at it as,oh it's an opportunity for us to allow you to skip the grind, but then if the grind is too long,like some people felt last year,they're gonna sit there and they're gonna go 'well,you knew the grind was too long to begin with.'"
-Rob Jones, NBA2K Senior Producer.

Metacritic and their ratings system aside.... Should the day ever come where the entire video gaming industry suffers a crash, or if 2K/Take Two fails financially, I think the type of attitude on display in these quotes will be a large reason why.

It's already one of the reasons I feel less satisfied by most modern games I play than I did with say, Super Nintendo or Playstation 2 games.

[Hassan Darkside]

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What amazes me, if they hate the game so much , these apparently to be the people who continue to buy it .

Some of them aren't though...

I didn't buy the game because before even nba 2k19 was released, you knew that micro transactions were going to be out of control. So, I just gave them a bad review because they deserve it."

Smfh.

[Jaysonguy]

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Yall claim that yall hate VC, but you're the reason that it exists and continues to exist.

Like the Star Wars nerds did. Don't like it, don't buy it

Poor argument.

I don't buy VC and I wasn't going to get the game until I saw that they fixed the rewards portion. Now I can tell you that over 12,000 people went the same way I did as their approach to the game because what happened last year was a downright disaster.

So when they did the bait and switch there were literally thousands of upset people and they fixed it but still needed to pivot to make revenue, enter the "tweaks" that have been done.

It's going to take every single facet of the community to speak up when they're the ones who 2K is leaning on. This isn't a "stop buying game and it's fixed" that's nonsense. That's such incredible nonsense. For every single educated consumer, there's 3 that aren't. The idea that it rests on the uneducated consumer is idiotic. Someone without the ability to understand how to make changes and runs away instead.

There isn't a problem with people who buy VC either. If they want to spend money to advance further so be it. The whole problem right now is progression overall and how to best reward time and effort.

[Mauer4MVP]

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Yall claim that yall hate VC, but you're the reason that it exists and continues to exist.

Like the Star Wars nerds did. Don't like it, don't buy it

I'm 100% against the pay to win model, but I also agree with you. Battlefront 2 last year, I played a ton and had a lot of success without spending a dime on micro transactions.

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Poor argument.

I don't buy VC and I wasn't going to get the game until I saw that they fixed the rewards portion. Now I can tell you that over 12,000 people went the same way I did as their approach to the game because what happened last year was a downright disaster.

So when they did the bait and switch there were literally thousands of upset people and they fixed it but still needed to pivot to make revenue, enter the "tweaks" that have been done.

It's going to take every single facet of the community to speak up when they're the ones who 2K is leaning on. This isn't a "stop buying game and it's fixed" that's nonsense. That's such incredible nonsense. For every single educated consumer, there's 3 that aren't. The idea that it rests on the uneducated consumer is idiotic. Someone without the ability to understand how to make changes and runs away instead.

There isn't a problem with people who buy VC either. If they want to spend money to advance further so be it. The whole problem right now is progression overall and how to best reward time and effort.

The reality of the situation for online gamers who want to skate putting the work in, they provided something for you.

You DONT have to buy it, plain and simple, but it seems like people just want to complain on the internet because they can't control their habits.

Im sorry but if the star wars debacle hadn't shown you whats possible then you might have a say, but this whole argument is nill when you continue to spend money.

Yall dudes complain too much.

[Jaysonguy]

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The reality of the situation for online gamers who want to skate putting the work in, they provided something for you.

You DONT have to buy it, plain and simple, but it seems like people just want to complain on the internet because they can't control their habits.

Im sorry but if the star wars debacle hadn't shown you whats possible then you might have a say, but this whole argument is nill when you continue to spend money.

Yall dudes complain too much.

Again, what you're saying doesn't make any sense.

2K is a business and that's fine, the problem right now is that they're a bad one when it comes to what they make.

2K19 is built around rewarding someone for playing. 2K has admitted they have no idea what to do when it comes to that so we're where we are now.

If people stop buying the game completely they don't get anywhere. Games like this NEED an option for people to pay. There is no questioning that.

What needs to happen is there need to be realistic avenues for people to take to play the game. Right now the creators of the game have no idea about it. They've come out and said as much in PR speak. That's why we saw the VC change and why we continue to see the XP tweaked.

The idea that this is a one sided effort isn't correct. If it was we'd see the rewards unchanged.

Also, Star Wars isn't a good comparison. You had gambling and other problems piled on. With 2K they make a good product but they don't know how to manage time and effort. That's the crux in all of this, time and effort.

[jeremym480]

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Fall from grace because of cry baby "Fan reviews"

They so salty.

[T.B]

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375 days till the release of 2k20 and everyone wants to max out a player ASAP! Cry complain rince and repeat .

I remember when 2k was for actual NBA fans . What happened ?

[Gramps91]

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There's a great game here in modes that don't require VC. Fan reviews prove nothing aside from the fact that people are often quickly angered.