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  • El_Poopador
    MVP
    • Oct 2013
    • 2624

    #136
    Re: NBA 2K19 Gameplay Tuning Update Arrives Tomorrow, Details Here

    Originally posted by jyoung
    From what I've seen so far in Park, it looks like "hands down" + "feet down" defense can now become a lightly contested shot if the defender's body is close to the shooter. I disagree with that approach to shot quality grading. I would grade that situation as open (but not wide open). To register a contest, the defender should have to put his hand up or jump before the shooter releases the X button.

    My ideal system for shot contests would be:
    • no defender nearby = wide open

    • defender nearby but he has his hands down & feet down = open

    • defender nearby but his contest is late &/or his hand is at or below the shooter's chest level when the ball leaves the shooter's hand = lightly contested

    • defender's hand is up before the ball leaves the shooter's hand and is at or above the shooter's eye level = heavily contested
    I'm ok with that being lightly contested. If you're taking a shot in real life and a guy is standing right in front of you, it can definitely bother the shot a little bit, even if they don't get a hand up.

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    • loso_34
      MVP
      • Jul 2010
      • 1346

      #137
      Re: NBA 2K19 Gameplay Tuning Update Arrives Tomorrow, Details Here

      Originally posted by El_Poopador
      I'm ok with that being lightly contested. If you're taking a shot in real life and a guy is standing right in front of you, it can definitely bother the shot a little bit, even if they don't get a hand up.
      If the player is already at their release point why would that bother them?

      If you also want balance in a game or a “skills gap” get a hand up how is this different from auto contest.

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      • jyoung
        Hall Of Fame
        • Dec 2006
        • 11132

        #138
        Re: NBA 2K19 Gameplay Tuning Update Arrives Tomorrow, Details Here

        Originally posted by El_Poopador
        I'm ok with that being lightly contested. If you're taking a shot in real life and a guy is standing right in front of you, it can definitely bother the shot a little bit, even if they don't get a hand up.
        Simply having bodies around pro shooters shouldn't be enough to bother their shot IMO.

        Hands touching their body or reaching into their shooting space are needed to disrupt pro shooters.

        To simplify the way I look at it:

        wide open = absence of bodies
        open = absence of hands
        lightly contested = minor hand presence
        heavily contested = significant hand presence

        2K gives you several different input methods for getting some sort of defensive contest on a shooter, and if a player isn't using them, then his defense shouldn't be getting rewarded with any kind of contest.
        Last edited by jyoung; 09-19-2018, 01:11 PM.

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        • triplechin
          Pro
          • Jul 2010
          • 594

          #139
          Re: NBA 2K19 Gameplay Tuning Update Arrives Tomorrow, Details Here

          Greens aren't realistic at all no one is ever certain that a shot will go in don't believe that nonsense.

          We just need Park/JRC to be arcade/comp mode for the kids who want to make every fadeaway 3 with good timing and retune ProAM to be sim-oriented real bball with real percentages and stuff. Make different options to play under instead of trying to meet in the middle of two completely different crowds
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          • El_Poopador
            MVP
            • Oct 2013
            • 2624

            #140
            Re: NBA 2K19 Gameplay Tuning Update Arrives Tomorrow, Details Here

            Originally posted by jyoung
            Simply having bodies around pro shooters shouldn't be enough to bother their shot IMO.

            Hands touching their body or reaching into their shooting space are needed to disrupt pro shooters.

            To simplify the way I look at it:

            wide open = absence of bodies
            open = absence of hands
            lightly contested = minor hand presence
            heavily contested = significant hand presence

            2K has included multiple options for defensive contests in their game, and if a player isn't using them, then their defense shouldn't be getting rewarded with any kind of contest.
            It can definitely bother the shot, just not as much as having a hand up. That's why I'm ok with it being considered lightly contested.

            I think there should be six levels of contest, personally.
            1. Wide Open - No defender within 6 feet
            2. Open - No defender within 3 feet
            3. Lightly Contested - Defender within 3 feet, but no hand up
            4. Medium Contested - Defender within 3 feet and hand up, but feet on the floor, or defender within 1 foot with no hands up
            5. Heavily Contested - Defender within 3 feet, and hand in the shooter's face, or defender within 1 foot and hand up, but feet on the floor
            6. Smothered - Defender within 1 foot, hand in the shooter's face, to the point where it affects the shooter's motion

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            • Caelumfang
              MVP
              • Oct 2012
              • 1218

              #141
              Re: NBA 2K19 Gameplay Tuning Update Arrives Tomorrow, Details Here

              Welp, guess “Hand down, man down” is officially dead. Good luck greening shots when somebody is simply around you now, without putting their hands up to defend.

              And by the way, ‘lightly contested’ shots can now occur when the defender is nearly a full body length away.

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              • EarvGotti
                MVP
                • Nov 2009
                • 2249

                #142
                Re: NBA 2K19 Gameplay Tuning Update Arrives Tomorrow, Details Here

                This update only applies to park/pro am right? Nothing else?
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                • Mikelopedia
                  The Real Birdman
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 1523

                  #143
                  Re: NBA 2K19 Gameplay Tuning Update Arrives Tomorrow, Details Here

                  The improved registering of what is a contested shot or an open shot was one of the best gameplay changes separating 2k19 from 2k18. Simply standing next to a shooter is not good defense or even ok defense. Not to mention I had a jumper last night where i came off of a screen, rose up to my release point before the defender got his hand up, as I released the shot he started to get his hand up and it registered as a heavily contested shot.

                  Not sure why we're going backwards. From an animation standpoint just bring back auto contest. That's basically what this update did anyway. Learning to anticipate and play defense is not a priority.

                  Oh btw this was in MLO. Not park or any of the things that this update was supposedly only affecting. MyLeague Online. Smh 2k
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                  • GudStuffzz
                    Rookie
                    • Feb 2013
                    • 352

                    #144
                    Re: NBA 2K19 Gameplay Tuning Update Arrives Tomorrow, Details Here

                    havent been able to play, this update only affects the online aspect of MyCareer correct? I absolutely love how the shot contest system feels vs the CPU in that mode and in the other offline modes

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                    • GudStuffzz
                      Rookie
                      • Feb 2013
                      • 352

                      #145
                      Re: NBA 2K19 Gameplay Tuning Update Arrives Tomorrow, Details Here

                      Originally posted by El_Poopador
                      I'm ok with that being lightly contested. If you're taking a shot in real life and a guy is standing right in front of you, it can definitely bother the shot a little bit, even if they don't get a hand up.
                      gotta disagree with that. If the shooter is already at the apex of his jumpshot why should a defender standing in front of him with no hands up be able to affect his shot?

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                      • Mikelopedia
                        The Real Birdman
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 1523

                        #146
                        Re: NBA 2K19 Gameplay Tuning Update Arrives Tomorrow, Details Here

                        Originally posted by El_Poopador
                        It can definitely bother the shot, just not as much as having a hand up. That's why I'm ok with it being considered lightly contested.

                        I think there should be six levels of contest, personally.
                        1. Wide Open - No defender within 6 feet
                        2. Open - No defender within 3 feet
                        3. Lightly Contested - Defender within 3 feet, but no hand up
                        4. Medium Contested - Defender within 3 feet and hand up, but feet on the floor, or defender within 1 foot with no hands up
                        5. Heavily Contested - Defender within 3 feet, and hand in the shooter's face, or defender within 1 foot and hand up, but feet on the floor
                        6. Smothered - Defender within 1 foot, hand in the shooter's face, to the point where it affects the shooter's motion
                        My brother, you're telling me that if I stood 3 feet in front of you in a defensive stance, regardless of our likely height difference, just stood there, didn't swipe at the ball as you rose up, didnt fake poke you in the eye, didnt push your chest, hands at my side, nothing, that I would bother your shot in the slightest?
                        Even within one foot, again no swipe at the ball so you can freely rise up without worrying about the ball being exposed.
                        That just isn't a contest on any level, I'm sorry.
                        Die hard Heat and Dolphins fan since '89

                        PSN: MiiikeMarsh

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                        • Goffs
                          New Ork Giants
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 12279

                          #147
                          Re: NBA 2K19 Gameplay Tuning Update Arrives Tomorrow, Details Here

                          Lol this is going to be a fun year for Mike. So much for balancing the badges.

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                          • Rockie_Fresh88
                            Lockdown Defender
                            • Oct 2011
                            • 9621

                            #148
                            Re: NBA 2K19 Gameplay Tuning Update Arrives Tomorrow, Details Here

                            Originally posted by Goffs
                            Lol this is going to be a fun year for Mike. So much for balancing the badges.

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                            He created this green light monster lol
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                            • Mikelopedia
                              The Real Birdman
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 1523

                              #149
                              Re: NBA 2K19 Gameplay Tuning Update Arrives Tomorrow, Details Here

                              Originally posted by Rockie_Fresh88
                              He created this green light monster lol
                              He is Cersei Lannister arming the Faith Militant.

                              SHAME

                              SHAME

                              SHAME
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                              • El_Poopador
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2013
                                • 2624

                                #150
                                Re: NBA 2K19 Gameplay Tuning Update Arrives Tomorrow, Details Here

                                Originally posted by Mikelopedia
                                My brother, you're telling me that if I stood 3 feet in front of you in a defensive stance, regardless of our likely height difference, just stood there, didn't swipe at the ball as you rose up, didnt fake poke you in the eye, didnt push your chest, hands at my side, nothing, that I would bother your shot in the slightest?
                                Even within one foot, again no swipe at the ball so you can freely rise up without worrying about the ball being exposed.
                                That just isn't a contest on any level, I'm sorry.
                                I'm not saying it should heavily impact the shot by any means. I'm saying it should not be the same as there being no defender present; it should have minimal impact, but impact nonetheless.

                                And yes, if a defender is standing within one foot of me, that is absolutely going to affect my shot; at a minimum, it will affect my gather, because if I go straight up, the ball is going to hit that defender. The ball itself is ~9" in diameter. Add to that the distance the ball is held from your body, and it will be more than a foot.

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