Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

They could use the ranks.

Could use team grade.
W/l.
Quit ration.
Avg stats.
Combine requirements as a start.

Could use a combination.

And so on.

If by rank, you mean Rep, that only goes by whoever has played the most. If Rep can only go up, and can never be decreased due to bad play, then it can’t be used. If you mean something else when you say rank, please explain.


Win/Loss can be tricky in 2k. Remember when people were whining that they were being judged based on their W/L record? That's why they removed being able to view it in the locker room. Depending on the severity of the W/L ratio, I can sort of see it. However, you could find some good players who had subpar records, mainly because they play by themselves more often than not. So would it be fair for skill-based matchmaking to view them as a bad player because of their record? Or you could have someone who is complete compost, but who just so happens to play with 4 really good players who can cover up for his less than stellar play. Wouldn't be fair for 2k's skill-based system to rank him much higher than the guy who can ball out, but the record doesn't show it.


Teammate Grade is a joke. Until it is reworked from the ground up, it can’t be used. It punishes you for playing correct help defense, for crying out loud. You ever wonder why you can never incur ‘Leave Assignment’ in Rec/Pro-Am? The system was so freakin’ broken because it couldn’t recognize what players were doing, that the penalty was completely removed from multiplayer, yet you can still get it in MyCareer.

Quit ratio? That could factor in. However, again, it doesn’t work correctly. If you aren’t aware, there is supposed to be a penalty when you quit out of games. Yet that penalty can be bypassed by either testing your connection, or joining a friend’s session. Can’t be used in its current state.

Avg stats? That’s probably the only thing that can work for the time being. Everything else is ****ed up. Even combining them could still result in some very skewed results with the way 2k basketball is played. Why do you think I said skill-based matchmaking wouldn’t work right now? It wasn't a knock against you, I'm going by the systems in place, and their track record.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

People will always try to figure stuff out.

That should not stop them from trying to improve.

With that attitude they might as well stop making games as people will always try to find the glitches and cheese.

Those people are the problem that plaque this and other games

Seriously you should not let others stop you from improving yourself.
You wont get the most out of your life if you do.

You can call me whatever you want or find whatever you want about me , i will still argue that matchmaking needs improvement.



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Trust me when I say they should always seek to improve. No doubt about it. And by all means, throw out as many suggestions as you can think of. I'm just pointing out what I think would work, and what wouldn't.


A lot of stuff I hear sounds good on paper, but I simply can't see it playing out well in application. That's usually where my beef lies.

[tru11]

Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

They could use the ranks.

Could use team grade.
W/l.
Quit ration.
Avg stats.
Combine requirements as a start.

Could use a combination.

And so on.

If by rank, you mean Rep, that only goes by whoever has played the most. If Rep can only go up, and can never be decreased due to bad play, then it can’t be used. If you mean something else when you say rank, please explain.

Teammate Grade is a joke. Until it is reworked from the ground up, it can’t be used. It punishes you for playing correct help defense, for crying out loud. You ever wonder why you can never incur ‘Leave Assignment’ in Rec/Pro-Am? The system was so freakin’ broken because it couldn’t recognize what players were doing, that the penalty was completely removed from multiplayer, yet you can still get it in MyCareer.

Quit ratio? That could factor in. However, again, it doesn’t work correctly. If you aren’t aware, there is supposed to be a penalty when you quit out of games. Yet that penalty can be bypassed by either testing your connection, or joining a friend’s session. Can’t be used in its current state.

Avg stats? That’s probably the only thing that can work for the time being. Everything else is ****ed up. Why do you think I said skill-based matchmaking wouldn’t work right now?

Played the most stands for experience.
Can certainly be used.
Rep certainly could use a rework and rather see that move up or down then overall.

Rank/tier.
Win/loss can put people in different ranks and tiers.
Meaning you play people that win just as much as you or loose as much as you.
Something i believe pro-am could also use.

I have been saying teamgrade needs to be reworked for years.
Still anything less then A- is worth crying about.

Make it Did not Finish (DNF) rather then quit ratio.
Once the match up is set it counts if you dont reach the VC count at the end.

DNF would solve my problem as it would put me with people that dont quit.

It can work.

Take win/loss with teamgrade and DNF and you can weed out a lot.

Add in tiers/rank and ditch overall and you are well om your way.



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[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Played the most stands for experience.
Can certainly be used.
Rep certainly could use a rework and rather see that move up or down then overall.

Rank/tier.
Win/loss can put people in different ranks and tiers.
Meaning you play people that win just as much as you or loose as much as you.
Something i believe pro-am could also use.

I have been saying teamgrade needs to be reworked for years.
Still anything less then A- is worth crying about.

Make it Did not Finish (DNF) rather then quit ratio.
Once the match up is set it counts if you dont reach the VC count at the end.

DNF would solve my problem as it would put me with people that dont quit.

It can work.

Take win/loss with teamgrade and DNF and you can weed out a lot.

Add in tiers/rank and ditch overall and you are well om your way.



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Yeah, but like me and you are both saying, a LOT of the systems are going to have to be reworked from the ground up before they can even THINK about skill-based matchmaking. Let them get the basics right first before we ask them to do something more complicated.


Don't get your hopes high for it in 2k21. New game from the ground up for a next-gen system. Game is more than likely going to be barebones (think 2K14 and the PS4). They would surprise the hell out of me if they can pull it off on the first next-gen game. But just like 14, I'm expecting a basic game that's pretty to look at, and somewhat playable until the severe server issues and multitude of glitches begin to rear their ugly head.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

It goes way over your head.

The fact that you picked cod as an example is telling.

That game has skillbased matchmaking.

If you are an average player you might run into a squad or clan of average players.

Its pretty much impossible to run into a squad or clan of top players.

You play people of similar skill level wether they are solo or in a group.

The skill level is around the same.

In 2K not so much.

You could be a rookie playing your first game and run into a squad of legends...

COD also has modes that DON'T allow parties...I know, because that's mode that I mostly choose.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

All this arguing is stupid. At the end of day, squads of 4+ should not be allowed to play against a squad of randoms. Yes, there will be those rare situations where the randoms win, but a vast majority of them will lose. When randoms go against squads, a vast majority of them will quit when they start getting their asses handed to them.

Also, let's stop pretending that REC squads don't have the same common characteristics. The same way I can tell that I'm playing against a clan in certain COD modes (when I decide I want a challenge), is the same way that I can tell I'm playing against a squad in NBA 2K21. Even when I DO play with randoms where we develop good chemistry, we're STILL individuals playing as a team. I have YET to play with randoms where we suddenly developed good enough chemistry to utilize 5-out offense, zone defense, alley-oop on every possession, and the other big is shooting lights out from 3PT land.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

And....? I’m a SS2 myself, and I’ve gone in and been paired with 3 Elites and another SS2. And we went on a 6-game win streak before I had to get off for work. Does that mean we were a squad? I mean, like, what are you even arguing here?

They could be a squad, they might not be. Not even you can be sure, can you.

Unless PS4 matchmaking is vastly different from XB matchmaking, I can't think of the last time I got matched up with 2 elites let alone 3 on my team.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Unless PS4 matchmaking is vastly different from XB matchmaking, I can't think of the last time I got matched up with 2 elites let alone 3 on my team.

It’s not different, it’s random and rare, but it definitely can happen.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

And whether you like it or not, 2K is doing what it can to REPLICATE THE RECREATION CENTER feeling. Guess what? You can be in a Rec Center playing ball with some people you don't know, and a group of friends can walk right in the door and challenge you all to a basketball game. Then from there, they can proceed to whoop the **** out of your team. Same exact **** can happen in The Rec on 2K.


Or is that too much for you to understand?

Let's bring in the Duke Blue Devils with Coach K polluting your local 24 hr fitness gym every single day. Then let's see you enjoy that azz whooping when you're just trying to get a few competitive games in. You'd be "whining" about it.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Okay FG and Tru, let me clue you two in about gaming, because apparently you two (and whoever the hell else is reading this) don't get it.


2k gives your asses FOUR MODES to play: A casual Park, a competitive Park (Ante-Up), a casual Pro-Am (Rec), and a competitive Pro-Am. Pick one. Hell, go play Cages. If you don't like one, go pick another. What the hell else do you want 2k to do? But at a certain point, you're not going to always be protected. It's as simple as that.



In ANY SORT OF ONLINE COMPETITIVE GAME, people are GOING to bum-hunt. 2k, COD, Battlefield, Street Fighter, Pokemon, and whatever else you want to add. It ****ing happens, and it will ALWAYS happen. It's been a part of online gaming from the very beginning, and likely will never change. Every game isn't going to sit back and coddle people who continuously cry and get their feelings hurt because 'the big bad bullies keep beating us!' Get the hell over it. Everyone can't be ****ing coddled and protected on every single front. Some people will always find a way to circumvent the system, whether it's purposely lowering/dropping their rank, starting new profiles, playing mostly in the casual/unranked lobbies, etc etc. You can NEVER 100% stop it from happening, so stop thinking that you can. There are wolves in every community, deal with it. At some point in time, you are eventually going to have to come across these wolves, and the game can't protect you.



I'm an old-school gamer, and I pretty much know that it comes with the territory. I'm from the era before patches, and when you got your *** killed in a game, YOU STARTED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING because there were no save points, AND I survived and thrived in the original XBOX LIVE 360 lobbies (quite sure a lot of you would wilt under that level of utter ruthlessness). So my mentality is much different than yours, which is why I don't give a **** if a challenge pops up (a squad in Rec). I'm not gonna sit here and bitch about it like a 6-year-old. If you don't like it, either leave the ******* lobby, play another mode, or play another game altogether. Or MAYBE, just MAYBE, get better at the ****ing game, or go find your own clan/squad/group to play with. It's not that ****ing hard. If you aren't completely garbage at the game (I'm REALLY starting to wonder about some of you), SOMEBODY will pick you up. Then guess what? You can happily go set the example and go jump in Pro-Am and never play Rec again. But I bet you that won't happen, will it? All that **** you all talk, and I bet your asses will be right in the Rec WITH YOUR SQUAD.


I bet if you jump on COD RIGHT NOW, you will eventually run into a clan/squad with the same clan tag, and they'll happily be in Team Deathmatch/Kill Confirmed/Ground War/etc BUM-HUNTING. Or jump on Battlefield, and you will eventually run across that one lobby with a full *** clan BUM-HUNTING. Jump on the unranked Street Fighter lobbies, and I'm willing to bet every dollar I have that you'll eventually come across some high-ranked players BUM-HUNTING and stomping y'all the hell out. And I'm willing to bet there's some Pokemon or Smash Bros regional champion stomping out little Georgey right now in an unranked lobby getting his rocks off.



This isn't advocating, defending, or being Pro-Bum Hunting, (highlighting it so you can understand) but IT HAPPENS. You can not and WILL NOT be protected in every game mode. You're literally bitching about a TEAM-BASED GAME that ENCOURAGES you to find others to play with. Just because you want to lone-wolf it out here isn't 2k's fault. That's a YOU problem, not a 2K problem. Get the **** over yourselves.

Nah, you a bum hunter. Just own it.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Nah, you a bum hunter. Just own it.

I'm ain't no bum, lol.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Okay FG and Tru, let me clue you two in about gaming, because apparently you two (and whoever the hell else is reading this) don't get it.


2k gives your asses FOUR MODES to play: A casual Park, a competitive Park (Ante-Up), a casual Pro-Am (Rec), and a competitive Pro-Am. Pick one. Hell, go play Cages. If you don't like one, go pick another. What the hell else do you want 2k to do? But at a certain point, you're not going to always be protected. It's as simple as that.



In ANY SORT OF ONLINE COMPETITIVE GAME, people are GOING to bum-hunt. 2k, COD, Battlefield, Street Fighter, Pokemon, and whatever else you want to add. It ****ing happens, and it will ALWAYS happen. It's been a part of online gaming from the very beginning, and likely will never change. Every game isn't going to sit back and coddle people who continuously cry and get their feelings hurt because 'the big bad bullies keep beating us!' Get the hell over it. Everyone can't be ****ing coddled and protected on every single front. Some people will always find a way to circumvent the system, whether it's purposely lowering/dropping their rank, starting new profiles, playing mostly in the casual/unranked lobbies, etc etc. You can NEVER 100% stop it from happening, so stop thinking that you can. There are wolves in every community, deal with it. At some point in time, you are eventually going to have to come across these wolves, and the game can't protect you.



I'm an old-school gamer, and I pretty much know that it comes with the territory. I'm from the era before patches, and when you got your *** killed in a game, YOU STARTED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING because there were no save points, AND I survived and thrived in the original XBOX LIVE 360 lobbies (quite sure a lot of you would wilt under that level of utter ruthlessness). So my mentality is much different than yours, which is why I don't give a **** if a challenge pops up (a squad in Rec). I'm not gonna sit here and bitch about it like a 6-year-old. If you don't like it, either leave the ******* lobby, play another mode, or play another game altogether. Or MAYBE, just MAYBE, get better at the ****ing game, or go find your own clan/squad/group to play with. It's not that ****ing hard. If you aren't completely garbage at the game (I'm REALLY starting to wonder about some of you), SOMEBODY will pick you up. Then guess what? You can happily go set the example and go jump in Pro-Am and never play Rec again. But I bet you that won't happen, will it? All that **** you all talk, and I bet your asses will be right in the Rec WITH YOUR SQUAD.


I bet if you jump on COD RIGHT NOW, you will eventually run into a clan/squad with the same clan tag, and they'll happily be in Team Deathmatch/Kill Confirmed/Ground War/etc BUM-HUNTING. Or jump on Battlefield, and you will eventually run across that one lobby with a full *** clan BUM-HUNTING. Jump on the unranked Street Fighter lobbies, and I'm willing to bet every dollar I have that you'll eventually come across some high-ranked players BUM-HUNTING and stomping y'all the hell out. And I'm willing to bet there's some Pokemon or Smash Bros regional champion stomping out little Georgey right now in an unranked lobby getting his rocks off.



This isn't advocating, defending, or being Pro-Bum Hunting, (highlighting it so you can understand) but IT HAPPENS. You can not and WILL NOT be protected in every game mode. You're literally bitching about a TEAM-BASED GAME that ENCOURAGES you to find others to play with. Just because you want to lone-wolf it out here isn't 2k's fault. That's a YOU problem, not a 2K problem. Get the **** over yourselves.

Ok Grandpa since you're an "Old School gamer", like the rest of us just started playing yesterday lmao, I guess everything you say is correct. "Back in my day we didn't have fair matchmaking! Back in my day we played videogames in the snow!" Foh lol. No one cares. No one cares how stupid your ideas are just because they're old, outdated ideas.


If you weren't a certified Bum Hunter, you really wouldn't care this much and be defending lopsided matchmaking. This isn't that hard of concept to understand.

If you actually play basketbal IRL, you also should know there are "tiers" if the court has multiple courts. There's always an "A" and "B" court. A is where the best players play at. That's all this is for 2K. Separate the courts.


I'm an Elite 1 with a good online record. I've played with some of the best Pro-Am squads. Has nothing to do with ducking comp or a measurement of skill, this is about 2K having a system that provides a good experience playing the game that makes sense - like fair matchmaking. What whacked out argument would be against placing players in the right tiers / situations? Or do you think NCAAB Division 1 schools should play Division 3? Maybe the Div 3 shoul stop "crying" about the competition in that situation.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I'm ain't no bum, lol.

Didn't say that lol just that he likes tryhard squads vs random matchmaking

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Ok Grandpa since you're an "Old School gamer", like the rest of us just started playing yesterday lmao, I guess everything you say is correct. "Back in my day we didn't have fair matchmaking! Back in my day we played videogames in the snow!" Foh lol. No one cares. No one cares how stupid your ideas are just because they're old, outdated ideas.





If you weren't a certified Bum Hunter, you really wouldn't care this much and be defending lopsided matchmaking. This isn't that hard of concept to understand.



If you actually play basketbal IRL, you also should know there are "tiers" if the court has multiple courts. There's always an "A" and "B" court. A is where the best players play at. That's all this is for 2K. Separate the courts.





I'm an Elite 1 with a good online record. I've played with some of the best Pro-Am squads. Has nothing to do with ducking comp or a measurement of skill, this is about 2K having a system that provides a good experience playing the game that makes sense - like fair matchmaking. What whacked out argument would be against placing players in the right tiers / situations? Or do you think NCAAB Division 1 schools should play Division 3? Maybe the Div 3 shoul stop "crying" about the competition in that situation.

I used to love playing on the "money court" back in my young buck days [emoji16]. Torn up my back on a bad layup attempt, and I was regulated to the scrub court [emoji35].

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Nah, you a bum hunter. Just own it.

You sound like a complete moron since you apparently know something about me that I don’t, but okay dude. ����