2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

[howardphillips214]

Re: 2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

I think we suggest things that would be great if 100% of the 2k community were players like you and me. A suggestion like this would hurt players who purposely make SGs to play off the ball. If guard play were TRULY positionless you’d have taller guards occasionally running PG even if they made a Kyle Korver type player.



In your suggestion is who plays what position random or are you locked into the position you grade highest in?


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If you have 6'7 guard VS a 5'7 guard, the one with the higher passing rating should get the 1 spot. It would suck on the defensive end, but if someone wants to be that small to be quick and shoot, why wouldn't he want to be at the 2? I'll tell you why... He only made that player to run around and Jack shots. Whereas, if he wants to shoot then let the guy who plays the 1 dish him the rock.

I just made a slashing playmaker PG. There's only been a handful of times running with randoms that i haven't been the 1 with 88 passing and ball handling. It was bad every time.

I'm not saying I'm the goat PG. But I'm pretty good at seeing the open man. And now that I'm not facing 95+ squads every game running a 2-3, I'm much more confident in getting the ball out of my hands. Every game I've been at the 1 with randoms ive had 10+ assists unless i had a favorable match up to score. I've only played 10 career games and have unlocked 12 playmaking but only 6 finishing badges. What does that tell you?

[Dione2014]

Re: 2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

This is true.

What I come from "I shouldn't have to explain that to you" translate to "I really don't know what I'm talkin about, but I'm going to pretend like I know what I'm talkin about."

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[hesko]

Re: 2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

The better idea may be them classifying players similar to APF 2K8
whereas you have Gold star/tier players, Silver tier/star players, & Bronze
tier/star players. Turn the badges to their abilities or something to that effect.

Positionless basketball to me would be any starting five avg. a double double.

[eddi]

Re: 2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

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[WeFireThoseCannons]

Re: 2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

Maybe for Park and MyTeam type modes.



I only play MyLeague and I wouldn't want them to do away with positions or not adjust ratings based on the changing of position. They can just add some customizable subbing to have a positionless line up add good AI.

[howardphillips214]

Re: 2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

What position is Giannis?

What position is Luka?

What position is LeBron?

[SuperNoVa27]

Re: 2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

2k just needs better matchmaking

This is just a complicated solution for a simple problem. Positions are not why 2k gives you 3 point guards and 2 centers, it’s their match making system that hasn’t improved since it was introduced.

[Cold Snap]

Re: 2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

"Positionless basketball" means "everyone plays the same."

[ILLSmak]

Re: 2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

Bad idea...everyone would just make SF demigods. Personally, I think they need to stick more with the traditional positions and particularly with how the positions were offensively defined during the 80's and 90's. Call me crazy, but 2K Sports needs to do away with the idea that people should be able to create "unicorns" in MyPlayer.

PG - Should be no taller than 6'3" - Playmaker, 3PT threat but not like a SG
SG - Between 6'3" and 6'6" - Shooter or scorer
SF - Between 6'5 - 6'8" - Jack of all trades, but master of none
PF - 6'9" and taller - Mainly rebounder and mid-range shooter
C - 6'10" and taller - Rim Protection and secondary rebounder

https://www.probasketballtroops.com/average-nba-height/

2k has the wackest meta. It's a similar meta in other bball games, but the difference is in 2k, there is no other way to play really. It's like you are mad spiteful if you wanna make a C that scores (I am mad spiteful.) Board man gets paid, ok, I'll get rebs, but I want some touches.



There are enough builds for people to make a diverse set of 'pieces' imo. People are so obsessed with shooting. And you can get in there and reb with a glass cleaner with gold def badges and 70 reb, but you can't wet on people all day with 70 three.



The meta I'd run in 2k would be:


PG: Slashing playmaker, fast but tall enough to defend solo on break and get the ball after they miss. An "honest" 3 pointer.

SG: Playmaking shot creator , if you can get 95 height

SF: Sharpshooter, whatever gets you 95 height

PF: Rim running defender blue red maybe? 6'7
C: Someone who can house anyone inside. Blue, blue/yellow, blue/green. Real big man.


I don't understand how that line up would not be da bess. And that's a legit line up for real bball.



-Smak

[Real2KInsider]

Re: 2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

What position is Giannis?

What position is Luka?

What position is LeBron?

Giannis: PF/C
LeBron: PG/SF
Luka: PG/SF

What that has to do with building a balanced game mode in a video game, I have no idea.

[Sheitan]

Re: 2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

I completely agree on that topic.

Indeed in current NBA positions are meaningless, teams allocate the most appropriate defender in regards to the role and impact (playmaker, 3&D, ...), and not the position. For instance Warriors won't let Curry defend the PG if he is strong offensively, they will put Klay on him, and let Curry defends the second guard.

By putting LBJ, Simmons, Doncic as PG the game creates automatically miss matches where those players are defended by a smaller and less stronger opponent. Because the logic in 2K I suppose is a position should defend the same position, PG vs PG and so on.

Therefore the AI will take advantage of this miss match and it changes completely the result and the meta. That's why Ben Simmons is so broken in this game.

This is completely not a smart reasoning. We need a smarter logic so teams allocate better their defenders to opponents. Regardless positions.

It could be something taking into account :
- height
- weight
- ball usage rate (to hide bad defenders for instance)

Or just by putting in place the 3 positions system as mentioned in the first post :
- Guards
- Wings
- Bigs

[howardphillips214]

Re: 2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

Giannis: PF/C
LeBron: PG/SF
Luka: PG/SF

What that has to do with building a balanced game mode in a video game, I have no idea.

Giannis will grab a rebound, take 5 steps and he's at the other rim smashing on people. He quite often will set up the offense in the half court set. I'd say he's much more a PG than any of the other 4 positions and leads his teams in assists more often than not. You could literally have him play every position offensively and guard them as well.

That breaks the entire formula.

[tru11]

Re: 2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

Their are 450 players on nba rosters and quite alot in fa.
Not counting dleague and such either.

How many of them can play all 5 positions?

A few transcendent talents are not a good representation of the entire league.




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[howardphillips214]

Re: 2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

Their are 450 players on nba rosters and quite alot in fa.
Not counting dleague and such either.

How many of them can play all 5 positions?

A few transcendent talents are not a good representation of the entire league.




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Okay... So Pat Bev is OFFENSIVELY a PG. But he guarded KD in the playoffs 2 years ago.

Tobias Harris, is he a 3 or a 4?

Andre Iguoadala played the 5 in the NBA Finals and won Finals MVP.

Are you really this ignorant?

[tru11]

Re: 2K21 needs to be completely positionless.

Okay... So Pat Bev is OFFENSIVELY a PG. But he guarded KD in the playoffs 2 years ago.



Tobias Harris, is he a 3 or a 4?



Andre Iguoadala played the 5 in the NBA Finals and won Finals MVP.



Are you really this ignorant?

You have a rich fantasy.

You have any data that supports those players playing all 5 positions and equal amount of the time?

Actually do you have any data at all other then something that happend 1 time 2 years ago?

Is harris a 1,2,3,4 and 5?

Green played the 5 and not iggy?

Any more nonesense?


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