2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

[zten11]

Re: 2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

I agree, I hate having to go through the hassle of putting together rosters every year. But tbh, if they won’t put the effort into making rosters as accurate as possible or pay these legends to be in game. Then at the very least they need to give us better tools to do it ourselves, more efficiently and less time consuming. Better player creation customization. Better court and arena customization. Easier attribute and tendency editing. Etc etc …I wish they would give us like 10-15 slots to create our own teams to use in play now.

Yeah, I have spent 90% of my time the last four years in roster editing mode and not actually playing the game. I wish there were some statistical aspect to apply directly to the ratings. True shooting and effective field goal percentage abilities instead of all the counter options.

[daveberg]

Re: 2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

Ah yes, on that note artists shouldn't be paid for having their songs used on the track. They already put in the work, they didn't have to show up anywhere. It's pure greed that they want money for it. They should just be happy to be used by a corporate entity that generates billions in profit.

This is what you're spewing.



You apparently don't, so let's head to Google.



Your belief that players should bend to your whims is a selfish desire. That they're not people. That they exist PURELY for your entertainment.

Expecting a paycheck for one's body of work isn't greed.



Lol. How did they become millionaires? Next you're going to say they should be honored to bounce a ball for a living. One simply doesn't maintain being that by working the next 40 years pro-bono.




You should try dealing in actual, objective scenarios.




NBA 2K sold 8 million units this year.





TLDR: Every thing should be free.

Your comprehension skills are sorely lacking. Try paying attention a little more next time instead of injecting your own narrative into the equation.
Nobody is saying they shouldn't get paid. Not once was that stated, so you can reverse that truck right now.

Maybe next time I'll use a larger font size - perhaps that way you'll avoid misconstruing what's been previously typed.

'actual, objective scenarios' - Guess you struggle with imagination. You should try it, might loosen you up a little.

So....I'm the selfish one for raising an eyebrow at multi millionaires not wanting to sign on the dotted line for a standard payout, as oppose to their full pockets crying about not getting paid enough for simply having a cyber face in a video game? Sure thing, chief - I'm the selfish one......

No-one is questioning how hard they worked to attain their money. Again, not sure what angle you're playing there. That was never the topic. They are/were paid handsomely for their efforts.

They're not getting paid to play basketball, or even do a job here. Just the rights to their likeness. That's not a 'body of work'. They're getting paid for a digital face.

Not quite 'work' is it?

[Real2KInsider]

Re: 2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

Just the rights to their likeness. That's not a 'body of work'.

You care about their likeness specifically due to their body of work.

I.E. why we play NBA 2K and not Dave 2K.

Sorry you can't understand why artists deserve to get paid, and for proving why the control they have over their likeness is so important.

They're not getting paid to play basketball, or even do a job here.

You understand actors get royalties for re-runs right

[daveberg]

Re: 2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

You care about their likeness specifically due to their body of work.

I.E. why we play NBA 2K and not Dave 2K.

Sorry you can't understand why artists deserve to get paid, and for proving why the control they have over their likeness is so important.



You understand actors get royalties for re-runs right

Again, no-one is questioning the body of work, or what they were paid for it on the court. Do we need crayons at this stage to illustrate this fact?

You need to reel the point in. It's obviously way past you.

Sorry you can't understand the fact that absolutely no-one is saying they shouldn't be paid royalties.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: 2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

Again, no-one is questioning the body of work, or what they were paid for it on the court. Do we need crayons at this stage to illustrate this fact?

Musicians make money long after they've left the studio.
Actors make money long after they've left the stage.

You talk about crayons while making candy land hypotheticals.

Sorry you can't understand the fact that absolutely no-one is saying they shouldn't be paid royalties.

You have suggested multiple times that they are immoral for doing so.

[vtcrb]

Re: 2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

Again, no-one is questioning the body of work, or what they were paid for it on the court. Do we need crayons at this stage to illustrate this fact?

You need to reel the point in. It's obviously way past you.

Sorry you can't understand the fact that absolutely no-one is saying they shouldn't be paid royalties.

You can't reason with him. He just likes to keep baiting people with his condescending remarks. He does it all over the Forums.

To get back on track with thread I seriously doubt we ever get True Retro Gameplay from Classic Teams, you will see more Legends added, but they will Continue to Focus on the Money Modes.

I would honestly recommend going back to Older 2ks, which I am sure you already have done.

I had a bunch of memory cards I misplaced that had a Ton of Classic Teams Created.

[daveberg]

Re: 2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

Musicians make money long after they've left the studio.
Actors make money long after they've left the stage.

You talk about crayons while making candy land hypotheticals.



You have suggested multiple times that they are immoral for doing so.

'Musicians make money long after they've left the studio.
Actors make money long after they've left the stage.' - No-one claimed they didn't. That's never been in question and has nothing to do with my stance on this particular topic.

'candy land hypotheticals' - for which you seemingly lack even the most basic imagination for. Step outside the box, you might like candy land. Lots of treats to turn that frown upside down.

'You have suggested multiple times that they are immoral for doing so.'

Comprehension is key. I'm not saying that the players receiving money for cyberface likenesses is immoral. That's never been my argument.

Shall we continue this passive aggressive two step, or simply acknowledge our differences, put on our big boy pants and move on, my dear fellow?

You can't reason with him. He just likes to keep baiting people with his condescending remarks. He does it all over the Forums.

To get back on track with thread I seriously doubt we ever get True Retro Gameplay from Classic Teams, you will see more Legends added, but they will Continue to Focus on the Money Modes.

I would honestly recommend going back to Older 2ks, which I am sure you already have done.

I had a bunch of memory cards I misplaced that had a Ton of Classic Teams Created.

Meh, he's just another faceless name behind a keyboard. I'll go round in circles all day with him if that's what he prefers. I'm stubborn like that. Not constructive in the slightest, and a waste of both our energies but I'm more than happy to play the game to pass the time, until I get bored, of course.

Ideally two people at an impasse should simply agree to disagree and move on, but this is the internet....digital ego is king for some people, lol.

Yeah I hear you there. I stayed with 2k20, and am still in the process of adding more teams and created classic players. It's a grind, but there's little else that can be done. Sadly I'm on PS5 and not PC, so I don't get the luxury of cyberface mods or retro courts, but I make do with what's on offer.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: 2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

Comprehension is key. I'm not saying that the players receiving money for cyberface likenesses is immoral. That's never been my argument.

immoral
not moral
broadly : conflicting with generally or traditionally held moral principles

Synonyms
bad, dark, evil, iniquitous, nefarious, rotten, sinful, unethical, unlawful, unrighteous, unsavory, vicious, vile, villainous, wicked, wrong

Antonyms
decent, ethical, good, honest, honorable, just, moral, right, righteous, sublime, upright, virtuous

Money.

Essentially it comes down to elite sports personalities or formers players who are mostly millionaires anyway, or far wealthier than an average person, wanting MORE money for being in a video game.

I can understand their demands if they were on the bread line, looking to make a living off it, but they're not. A lot of them no doubt have more money than most people could dream of, yet still fuss over monetary rights for their likeness in a video game.

Greed isn't pretty.

'Services rendered' - You mean just having their likeness in a video game, demanding ridiculous amounts of money for doing absolutely nothing but allowing their cyberface & name to be included. Ok then......

We all know what the definition of greed is, no-one asked for the breakdown, but thanks.

So millionaires who essentially want for nothing, financially, want to dig their heels in and demand more massive payouts to add to their already ridiculous stockpile of cash. Sounds like greed to me.

It's never been your argument, of course.

Shall we continue this passive aggressive two step, or simply acknowledge our differences, put on our big boy pants and move on, my dear fellow?

This isn't a two-step. You're bad with words.

[vtcrb]

Re: 2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

immoral
not moral
broadly : conflicting with generally or traditionally held moral principles

Synonyms
bad, dark, evil, iniquitous, nefarious, rotten, sinful, unethical, unlawful, unrighteous, unsavory, vicious, vile, villainous, wicked, wrong

Antonyms
decent, ethical, good, honest, honorable, just, moral, right, righteous, sublime, upright, virtuous








It's never been your argument, of course.



This isn't a two-step. You're bad with words.

Why are you in this Thread? You do nothing with Classic Team Rosters. As usual you are here to try to Cyberbully people and Degrade them. If you are as intellectually superior as you believe you are, why do you constantly respond to those who you believe are below you?

People with the type of Behavior You are displaying seriously need to get Off the Computer and Gaming Systems and interact with people in person. Now stop derailing this thread.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: 2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

Why are you in this Thread? You do nothing with Classic Team Rosters.

You seem very informed on what I do or don't do.

(Should have also highlighted the file on the right)

[vtcrb]

Re: 2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

You seem very informed on what I do or don't do.

(Should have also highlighted the file on the right)

Such a Long History there, LOL. Show me some of your Classic Roster Threads you have made? Not a bunch of typed up Spreadsheets that I can't even Zoom in and see what they say.

Myself and Others have been doing Classic Rosters since 2k11(Neuropathy wont allow me to noe), some before then. We were old school and used Notebooks. Lol

[Real2KInsider]

Re: 2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

Such a Long History there, LOL. Show me some of your Classic Roster Threads you have made? Not a bunch of typed up Spreadsheets that I can't even Zoom in and see what they say.

Myself and Others have been doing Classic Rosters since 2k11(Neuropathy wont allow me to noe), some before then. We were old school and used Notebooks. Lol

Good for you and your content. You implied I don't work on Classic Team content, which is evidently not the case.

As far as an OS thread? Lol. I don't even have a thread for my main roster and haven't had one in probably 10 years. I have one of the top downloaded files each year w/o promoting my content. I do this for fun, not fame. The people who care know where to find it.

[daveberg]

Re: 2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

immoral
not moral
broadly : conflicting with generally or traditionally held moral principles

Synonyms
bad, dark, evil, iniquitous, nefarious, rotten, sinful, unethical, unlawful, unrighteous, unsavory, vicious, vile, villainous, wicked, wrong

Antonyms
decent, ethical, good, honest, honorable, just, moral, right, righteous, sublime, upright, virtuous








It's never been your argument, of course.



This isn't a two-step. You're bad with words.

I'm amazing with words, dear fellow. Try to loosen up. You seem a little stiff.

Your lack of imagination and rigidity is stifling you from grasping things, which is amusing, especially reading your rebuttals, with a search engine in your back pocket. A for effort using google. F for overall grasp of the topic in hand.

My issue has never been about them being paid, it's about them demanding MORE than they need to cover their overinflated sense of self worth, when they already sit atop of a financial mountain. That's GREED.
but hey, have your opposing train of thought - That's your prerogative. What ever does it for you, champ. We're not obliged to sing from the same hymn sheets.

You seem far more concerned about getting in the last word than actually concentrating on points made. Digital egos can be awfully sensitive. I understand your pride not wanting to take a hit but this can end here - simply agreeing to disagree so we can give the floor back to the topic in question. It's easy. Give it a try.

I personally don't think you're capable. Feel free to prove me wrong. Be happy to put this trivial difference of opinion to bed.

If not, we can continue this dance all day long until someone does the right thing and locks the thread. I've got time to waste - the choice is yours, big fella.

Why are you in this Thread? You do nothing with Classic Team Rosters. As usual you are here to try to Cyberbully people and Degrade them. If you are as intellectually superior as you believe you are, why do you constantly respond to those who you believe are below you?

People with the type of Behavior You are displaying seriously need to get Off the Computer and Gaming Systems and interact with people in person. Now stop derailing this thread.

Ah, pay no mind to him man. I'm having fun with it all right now, though I apologize for derailing the thread from my side of the fence. That half is on me - my bad, brother.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: 2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

My issue has never been about them being paid, it's about them demanding MORE than they need to cover their overinflated sense of self worth, when they already sit atop of a financial mountain. That's GREED.

You're vilifying men for controlling their image and deciding their own worth (something you can't comprehend, because you're a lesser man who will never have that type of control/opportunity).

You sit here playing the victim acting like they're stealing from your food stores. Sorry, but there isn't an NBA player alive who owes you a damn thing.

Let's also not pretend you wouldn't be a wide-eyed silent mouse if you ever met one of these "greedy" people.

[zten11]

Re: 2K please Show More Love To Classic Teams/Players in 2K23

Somebody on my roster from 2K21 said he played his league with some really good idea regarding older players and rosters - combining them somehow and also utilizing past draft classes. I'm sure there are people out there that create their own imaginative ideas. As much as I like creating the current rosters, I kind of really want to do something of that sort in 2K23.