NBA X’s & O’s

[vannwolfhawk]

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As far as handoffs, I’d like to Give 51 Side added back in the game. Classic teams need more 3 out handoff plays with the strong side corner clear of any defenders helping on drives.

I never categorized the DHO's where they take plays as I did with the PNR's unfortunately. The reason I say that is because I did categorize some of the PNR's with empty side, single side, 2 side, etc... There are a lot of DHO's that are pretty good, same with cutters as both of those were pretty bad the last 6-8 years.

[taildog]

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We need to get a broken play thread going. Hoping that [mention]The 24th Letter [/mention] starts one up like previous years so we don’t end up duplicating efforts.

[vannwolfhawk]

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We need to get a broken play thread going. Hoping that [mention]The 24th Letter [/mention] starts one up like previous years so we don’t end up duplicating efforts.

To be honest the movement has gotten so much better there aren’t as many broken plays anymore. It’s more spacing issues within a lot of plays or the DHO being stationary at times that kill the spacing in plays. Or it’s the poor ball screen placement inside the 3, or even the screener setup to set the screen in a bad spot where not much room to come off on 2 side.

But when testing they all ram pretty smooth for the most part. It’s just the coding of how they were setup and I think a lot need some love and new locations with spacing in mind. The NBA is all about spacing and those coaches drill it. The other part of that is players can’t react quickly enough to relocate fast enough and some plays don’t have relocating inputted into the play so I had to dig for the ones with backside lifts built in, etc…

But we are 1000x better today than we were 2-3 years ago!

[vannwolfhawk]

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Progress Report

The testing phase is over and all plays have been tested, categorized, organized, and rated. I have now assigned every team 62 different universal plays that fit to today’s NBA play styles in all play types. Don’t worry it’s universal because every team runs these specific plays from game to game. Mostly they are specific actions and concepts. I do this so you will have familiarity with these 62 plays as you change teams and playbooks. Not to mention I narrowed these down from every play in the game as they are the best plays for actions, concepts, spacing, options, & execution from a CPU AI standpoint.

Now I need to add team specific plays and actions. For example if a team likes to run zipper actions, Iverson cuts, horns sets, flip/twist action, 5 out, etc.

Then I will also add some plays for player specific actions and where players like to get the ball in certain spots on the floor. Example: getting Giannis in the short corner wing ISO’s. I will do all this by watching and breaking down film a ton of film to get specific real actions for each team.

Once that is done that’s when I start to eliminate plays from each teams playbooks to dial them in to differ from other teams and individualize each teams play styles and playbooks.

I am blown away by what we can create this year. This was by far the best year to come back playbook wise! The plays and what we can do this year is insane!

This will be the 1st game ever where you will be able to play and simulate and facilitate with guys like Jokic or Adebayo where they can create up at the top of the key.

1 other thing to note. I will also be creating a few random playbooks for you my nba players. Playbooks for your assistant coaches you can change if coaching changes happen in your league. I’m not gonna do a ton but 5-7 extra ones.

1 - 5 Out
2 - Horns / Horns Flip
3 - Flex
4 - Swing
5 - UCLA
6 - Chicago / Pistol / DHO Heavy
7 - Random Zipper / Iverson Heavy
8 - PNR Heavy


It’s all a process, but I’m making great progress! Be patient and know that these will be the best playbooks with even more detail than I’ve ever done in the past! 1 of the reasons is not just the actions czar has put into the game but the motion tech is also game changing! The off ball player movement making cuts with urgency is a difference maker.

Anyways, stay tuned…

[Tynole14]

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Have you noticed that when offensive play calling is on auto that they call plays way too much for the point guard or the same two guys repeatedly? It's either or for me. Can't find a fix either for the last 3 days.
And just running the same action/plays all game. It's killing the experience.

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[vannwolfhawk]

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Have you noticed that when offensive play calling is on auto that they call plays way too much for the point guard or the same two guys repeatedly? It's either or for me. Can't find a fix either for the last 3 days.
And just running the same action/plays all game. It's killing the experience.

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I just started testing in game yesterday and I didn’t notice that BUT I edited the teams playbooks as well as touches. I saw a good variety of plays called which surprised me on auto. However, I also had to change play types around a bit to get variety I wanted as well. It’s a balancing act in tendency and play type edits to get what you are talking about where out of box you are probably right I’m sure…

[Tynole14]

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I just started testing in game yesterday and I didn’t notice that BUT I edited the teams playbooks as well as touches. I saw a good variety of plays called which surprised me on auto. However, I also had to change play types around a bit to get variety I wanted as well. It’s a balancing act in tendency and play type edits to get what you are talking about where out of box you are probably right I’m sure…

I did some edits to touches accurately for the magic and hornets and I was seeing this issue a ton. With playbook work as well. I also fixed all of the tendencies and playtypes accurately.
So, then I went TWolves with no edits and was seeing the same thing. It was all DLo. Barely any Kat.


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[vannwolfhawk]

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I did some edits to touches accurately for the magic and hornets and I was seeing this issue a ton. With playbook work as well. Also fixed all of the test of the tendencies too.
So, then I went TWolves with no edits and was seeing the same thing. It was all DLo. Barely any Kat.


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Hmm… what’s there play types? What plays you seeing called? For example if DLo has PNR as 1st play type and KAT has Pick & Roll Man as 1st as well you will see the same thing. So maybe switch his play types a bit. Not saying that’s the issue why that you are seeing but could be? I honestly have not seen it. But I will say also some playbooks only had 21-23 plays in them and in different play types so that would be a problem as well…not enough variety…

[Tynole14]

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Hmm… what’s there play types? What plays you seeing called? For example if DLo has PNR as 1st play type and KAT has Pick & Roll Man as 1st as well you will see the same thing. So maybe switch his play types a bit. Not saying that’s the issue why that you are seeing but could be? I honestly have not seen it. But I will say also some playbooks only had 21-23 plays in them and in different play types so that would be a problem as well…not enough variety…

At work but no Kat has post up as his first play type. We completely changed the playbooks for the hornets and magic. We've tested all of the plays. We know which ones work and don't. Seeing a lot of pick & roll and handoffs. It's repeating as well.
I have freelance order on dynamic and do not repeat as well. This was never an issue in the last two years of 2k. I thought the CPU play calling was good. Idk what's happened for me here.

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[vannwolfhawk]

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At work but no Kat has post up as his first play type. We completely changed the playbooks for the hornets and magic. We've tested all of the plays. We know which ones work and don't. Seeing a lot of pick & roll and handoffs. It's repeating as well.
I have freelance order on dynamic and do not repeat as well. This was never an issue in the last two years of 2k. I thought the CPU play calling was good. Idk what's happened for me here.

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Ya, idk then? Sounds like you know what your doing. All I know is I haven’t seen that. I do know there is a toggle for repeat play on success in settings, but I thought that was for freelance? Can’t recall. Just spitballing

[Tynole14]

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Ya, idk then? Sounds like you know what your doing. All I know is I haven’t seen that. I do know there is a toggle for repeat play on success in settings, but I thought that was for freelance? Can’t recall. Just spitballing

Yeah, I have it on do not repeat. I wonder why I'm seeing this but you aren't getting this. Very strange.
For example
Fultz 85 touches tendency
Suggs 85
Okeke 80
Isaac 83
Carter 78
And most of the plays will go to Fultz. Some to Suggs. No one else. I even tried changing all of the offensive coaching gameplan. Such as pound the ball isnide , get shooter open, and etc.

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[vannwolfhawk]

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Yeah, I have it on do not repeat. I wonder why I'm seeing this but you aren't getting this. Very strange.
For example
Fultz 85 touches tendency
Suggs 85
Okeke 80
Isaac 83
Carter 78
And most of the plays will go to Fultz. Some to Suggs. No one else. I even tried changing all of the offensive coaching gameplan. Such as pound the ball isnide , get shooter open, and etc.

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What’s you play run slider at? Also, what gets run after a make or miss matters as well between tendencies. You can also change their system as well.

[Tynole14]

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What’s you play run slider at? Also, what gets run after a make or miss matters as well between tendencies. You can also change their system as well.

Run plays at 65
Running balanced offense

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[vannwolfhawk]

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Run plays at 65
Running balanced offense

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Ya Id go way higher than that personally. They will still run a lot of freelance and as long as the plays you choose are concepts and good PNR same thing anyways. There is no freelance in the game that catches how teams are playing today.

My other Suggestion is make sure you add plays specifically for a 2G (magic example) where suggs runs different plays than Fultz. You can also assign 1 with p&R point and the other P&R wing to differ. You can get creative. All testing and tweaking…

[Tynole14]

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Ya Id go way higher than that personally. They will still run a lot of freelance and as long as the plays you choose are concepts and good PNR same thing anyways. There is no freelance in the game that catches how teams are playing today.



My other Suggestion is make sure you add plays specifically for a 2G (magic example) where suggs runs different plays than Fultz. You can also assign 1 with p&R point and the other P&R wing to differ. You can get creative. All testing and tweaking…

Appreciate helping out. We've been making a roster for three years and this is the first time we are seeing this. Been doing so much testing. Stumped on finding a fix but I'll try this out.
Let me know , if you are start seeing this too.

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