It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Alright guys, iv'e been up since 8 this morning doing research and I have to say. The results are not good..

I also studied the incoming rookies, and too be honest, the only attributes that needed to be edited are potential, consistency, durability and MAYBE offensive and defensive awareness..

The players really aren't coming in with superhuman qualities, yeah you may get an 80-83 guy here and there, but for the most part it evens out. In any case, I edited each guy, made his overall lower blah blah blah. The highest rated player coming out was now a 78.

During the first season, we had a total of 8 trades, normal results, so not bad.

During the draft, I believe I had about 5, one blockbuster that sent Danny Granger to the Wizards, okay, everything normal.

Here's where things start to get wonky. Once again, I moved onto to the next season, edited the rookies and had a glimmer of hope something would happen.

I activated trades on Jan. 1st this time and still, not a single trade during the season.

Okay, I get to the draft, I activate trades, 1 trade happened during the draft. Mind you, this didn't happen yesterday when I didn't edit the rookies so maybe it has something to do with that.

I get to the third season, this time I don't touch the rookies, once again, 0 trades happen during the season.

Now, I get to the draft, I activate trades and let the draft begin. There were no trades being made by the CPU and I was getting trade offers left and right for my picks, I mean it was insane, every other picK i was getting an offer for picks and I looked at the board and found out why.

The same player was getting drafted over and over again, the best player on the board, Wesley Holt. The only 80 overall player in the draft was being selected by every team. I have no idea what caused this, but I had to quit the mode right there.

I'll keep tinkering around with this to see if I can solve the trading problem, but as of right now it looks like we're not getting any trades during the season after year 1 now it seems, and if you want trades to happen during the draft, it's best if you don't edit the rookies.

I don't know if this was a fluke one time thing, i'll keep experimenting, but as of right now, there's nothing we can do about trades not happening during the season unless 2K comes in and patches this mess.

Honestly, I can live with the issues at this point. The hca suck, but I've seen upsets in the playoffs so no big deal there. The no trades is the biggest issue for me, but I believe 2k will patch this. The thing about sam playr being drafted...I noticed this as well but its only showing on the board, not actually being drafted so its just a glitch.

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Honestly, I can live with the issues at this point. The hca suck, but I've seen upsets in the playoffs so no big deal there. The no trades is the biggest issue for me, but I believe 2k will patch this. The thing about sam playr being drafted...I noticed this as well but its only showing on the board, not actually being drafted so its just a glitch.

That's mostly what I was trying to solve, the no players being traded issue.

Iv'e tried everything, my eyes hurt from staring at the TV so long, experimenting with all of this. At this point I don't know what to do anymore besides wait for 2K to patch this..

[Serra11]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Don't have time to go deep into it but here's what I did. Lowered every incoming rookies Def and Off awareness by 10pts. Highest rookie is now a 73ovr(he was a 75), so pretty weak draft class anyway to start with from what we've been seeing.

Have morale and chemistry OFF, and trades off until Jan 15th. Starting Jan 23rd up until Feb 15th there were 11 trades so pretty good results there imo. Not going to post what the trades were. Some look good, but some are questionable (i.e. Stave Nash being traded for Luis Scola, and Chase Budinger from Rockets).

The road records were still in shambles but I can look past that, as it's not a gamekiller to me.

PLAYOFFS 1st RD

#1 Lakers vs Warriors (Lakers 4-1)

#4 Spurs vs #5 Rockets (Rockets 4-3) <---Rockets won @ SA in game 7!!

#3 Nuggets vs #6 Jazz (Jazz 4-2) <---Nice upset there!

#2 Mavericks vs #7 Thunder (Mavs 4-2)


#1 Heat vs #8 Bucks (Heat 4-3)

#4 Bulls vs #5 Magic (Bulls 4-3)

#3 Celtics vs #6 Pacers (Celtics 4-1)

#2 Hawks vs #7 Bobcats (Hawks 4-3)

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#1 Lakers vs #5 Rockets (Lakers 4-2)

#2 Mavs vs #6 Jazz (Mavs 4-2)


#1 Heat vs #4 Bulls (Heat 4-1)

#2 Hawks vs #3 Celtics (Hawks 4-3)

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Conf Finals

#1 Lakers vs #2 Mavs (Lakers 4-1)

#1 Heat vs #2 Hawks (Heat 4-3)
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NBA FINALS

#1 Lakers @ #1 Heat (Heat 4-2)
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These looked fantastic!!! Loved the results, with a couple upsets in the west in the 1st rd. VERY realistic imo were the results. The seedings looked good too, and I believe that was due to trades being off until mid Jan. As well has morale being off didn't screw up teams lineups and cause more trades.

Draft Lottery:

1 T-Wolves
2 Blazers
3 Raptors
4 Pistons
5 Clippers
6 76ers
7 Knicks
8 Cavs
9 Wizards
10 Kings
11 Suns
12 Nets
13 Grizzlies
14 Hornets
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DRAFT DAY TRADES

HUGE TRADE TO START!!

Timberwolves trade #1 overall pick and Charlie Bell to Bucks for Andrew Bogut and #21 overall pick.(Makes no sense at all to me but oh well!)

Bucks drafted a SG #1 btw

Cavs Traded 2011 2nd Rd pick, 2012 1st Rd pick...
Knicks trade Ronny Turiaf and 2012 2nd Rd pick(HAHA Cavs got screwed here lol)

Have you simmed the second season???
Does the weak draft class work with the number of trades???

[Peter_OS]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Anyone else notice how quickly games get simmed, when you sim the games in association mode?? I can sim an entire season in less than a minute. It seems like the scores, and stats are pre-determined, and that no true sim is happening in the background. Just my view and opinion of this.

Just look at NHL 2011 for example, and see how it sims it's games in franchise mode. It takes a longer time to sim through a week, then it takes to sim an entire NBA schedule in NBA 2K11. lol.

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Have you simmed the second season???
Does the weak draft class work with the number of trades???

I did just to see and 0 trades so didn't help. Like Gosens said, trades can't be fixed. I plan to start my chise tonight. I'm going to turn off player roles/morale, and chemistry. Lower all incoming rookies off/def awareness by 10pts, and lower their potential by 5pts. And just play.

[elprez98]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I looked up actual stats. Home court is a HUGE advantage in the NBA. I believe that you guys are not looking at the big picture. Here are the stats for series wins w/HCA, 1998-2009.

Excluding the Conference Finals, its over .800 percent.

<table class="cnnTM" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="cnnIEHdrRowBG"><td class="cnnIEColHdrC">Series</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">W</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">L</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">Pct.</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnIERowAltBG"> </tr> <tr> <td class="cnnIEColTxtL">First round</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">65</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">15</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">.813</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnIERowAltBG"> <td class="cnnIEColTxtL">Conf. semis</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">32</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">8</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">.800</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="cnnIEColTxtL">Conf. finals</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">10</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">10</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">.500</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnIERowAltBG"> <td class="cnnIEColTxtL">The Finals</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">8</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">2</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">.800</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="cnnIEColTxtL" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(172, 195, 209);">Total</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(172, 195, 209);">115</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(172, 195, 209);">35</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(172, 195, 209);">.767</td></tr></tbody></table>
The game isn't nearly as "broken" as you make it out to be. Gotta look big picture guys.

[fcabanski]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Here's another related issue. If we downgrade all the rookies will any superstars develop? If not in about 5-7 years the NBA will be full of role players.

[ffaacc03]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Just wondering ... Have any of us reported within the official bug/glitches thread the lack of trades after the 1st season, the unreasonable time between coaches movement (hired to be fired a week later) and the overdone homecourt advantage that causes constant blows ? ... while I know devs keep an eye on this sort of threads, I will check just to be double sure that we have propperly stated our claims within the correct channel.

THANKS to all of you looking for alternatives and workarounds.

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I did just to see and 0 trades so didn't help. Like Gosens said, trades can't be fixed. I plan to start my chise tonight. I'm going to turn off player roles/morale, and chemistry. Lower all incoming rookies off/def awareness by 10pts, and lower their potential by 5pts. And just play.

We tried man, myself, you and the other guys in this thread tried our hardest to fix this problem.

I want to apologize to everyone who was looking forward to a solution, myself and the other guys did every test we could to try and find a way to fix this no trading problem; I guess it just wasn't meant to be.

I'm not angry towards 2K, just disappointed. I know that no game is perfect, every game will have flaws and glitches, but when the bugs and glitches are in the main mode that a lot of us play, and they basically kill the mode for us, well hey, it's hard not to be angry.

The home court advantage bug, the no trading bug, the free agency bug, the player morale bug, these are all vital to association mode and when they don't work, it's fatal.

I'll continue to play because I love this game, but iv'e done everything under the sun to try and correct some of these problems. We can only hope that 2K is working to fix these problems, most noticeably the trades and HCA bugs.

I don't have the patience to control all 30 teams, it would have been fun to see how teams really mold and shape their roster through trades and free agency, but when the generated rookies come in better than some starters, I see why it's not necessary.

Yet, even when you lower the ratings of EVERY incoming rookie, you still get no trades. Did no one at 2K sim past year 2 in Association and see these problems? Did the guys who worked on "home court advantage" see that it's more than a little out of control?

These things need to be worked on before one can truly enjoy Association mode. Yet I must say, thank you 2K for the best basketball game of our generation, just do us offline guys a favor and fix this for us...

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Just wondering ... Have any of us reported within the official bug/glitches thread the lack of trades after the 1st season, the unreasonable time between coaches movement (hired to be fired a week later) and the overdone homecourt advantage that causes constant blows ? ... while I know devs keep an eye on this sort of threads, I will check just to be double sure that we have propperly stated our claims within the correct channel.

THANKS to all of you looking for alternatives and workarounds.

Yes I reported them as soon as I discovered it..

Seems that not many people care so it got buried, but it's there..

[Serra11]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I did just to see and 0 trades so didn't help. Like Gosens said, trades can't be fixed. I plan to start my chise tonight. I'm going to turn off player roles/morale, and chemistry. Lower all incoming rookies off/def awareness by 10pts, and lower their potential by 5pts. And just play.

Have you tried with players role and chemistry on with your weak draft class???
I'm not at home and I can try by myself...
Promise,my last request!

[Peter_OS]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I looked up actual stats. Home court is a HUGE advantage in the NBA. I believe that you guys are not looking at the big picture. Here are the stats for series wins w/HCA, 1998-2009.

Excluding the Conference Finals, its over .800 percent.

<table class="cnnTM" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="cnnIEHdrRowBG"><td class="cnnIEColHdrC">Series</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">W</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">L</td> <td class="cnnIEColHdrC">Pct.</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnIERowAltBG"> </tr> <tr> <td class="cnnIEColTxtL">First round</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">65</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">15</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">.813</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnIERowAltBG"> <td class="cnnIEColTxtL">Conf. semis</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">32</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">8</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">.800</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="cnnIEColTxtL">Conf. finals</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">10</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">10</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">.500</td> </tr> <tr class="cnnIERowAltBG"> <td class="cnnIEColTxtL">The Finals</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">8</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">2</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR">.800</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="cnnIEColTxtL" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(172, 195, 209);">Total</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(172, 195, 209);">115</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(172, 195, 209);">35</td> <td class="cnnIEColTxtR" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(172, 195, 209);">.767</td></tr></tbody></table>
The game isn't nearly as "broken" as you make it out to be. Gotta look big picture guys.

What about season mode? How can a team be for example 24-17 at home, and 3-37 on the road??

I have simmed through a couple of seasons, and have noticed only 1 to a max 2 teams with a plus .500 on the road. and that is just a few games over .500

I also noticed elite teams like Miami, and Boston in my association mode struggle on the road. They have an amazing home record, but awful road record.

It's broken, don't try to deny it.

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

What about season mode? How can a team be for example 24-17 at home, and 3-37 on the road??

I have simmed through a couple of seasons, and have noticed only 1 to a max 2 teams with a plus .500 on the road. and that is just a few games over .500

I also noticed elite teams like Miami, and Boston in my association mode struggle on the road. They have an amazing home record, but awful road record.

It's broken, don't try to deny it.

Thank you... It's entirely too evident in season mode...

And the home court blowouts in the playoffs also means SOMETHING needs to be tweaked.

it's broken in season mode, needs tweaking in the playoffs

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Have you tried with players role and chemistry on with your weak draft class???
I'm not at home and I can try by myself...
Promise,my last request!

I tried it both on and off, on more than one occasion..

Trades are the most broken aspect of Association mode. It's something I really can't believe

[timid]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Hmmm...glad I'm patient enough to control all 30 teams...I don't have the HCA issues...the 3-37 issues....none of that bull....I guess altering each teams gameplans really does alter the way the sim stats come out.....