Is there going to be a Association insight?

[Gosens6]

Re: Is there going to be a Association insight?

So far the only association news we have is that David Stern now voices the NBA draft. We are about a week away from release and thats the only piece of info we have.

Last year the association blog was one of the first. What the hell is going on here

[clipperfan811]

Re: Is there going to be a Association insight?

If there are no upgrades its ridiculous. Association always been there. They added my player, team up, crew games and now legends. I would have thought since association always been there we would have had a great association by now. They put a huge focus on other game modes but why neglect association.

Same as madden. Madden had the same crappy franchise for years. Ea would say we will focus on next year. They just dont care. I expect upgrades every year to franchise mode because I wait for a whole year for a better product. I spend $60 then realized the main mode I play is unchanged then have to wait another year then see there still are no big changes a year later. I'm hearing about all these other great upgrades but I only play association.

If no upgrades please fix team win/loss records, rotations, injuries, good players sitting in the fa pool and all stuff we got promised last year with the computer AI. I get tired of teams like Miami and Boston winning like 49 games and player stats going down cause they want to play with a sprain ankle. At least fix the basic stuff.

Go back a few years and play some of the older 2k games.... Then come back and apologize to 2k for not appreciating all the enhancements they've made to the association mode over the years.

[kjjnesb]

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Starting to really think they didn't upgrade it at all just took it online..

[clipperfan811]

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Scouting

Should be more rewarding and immersive

-First of all, give us the option to use letter grade overall ratings in Association Mode (Choops has this)

-Add draft combine to the pre-draft workouts. (Draft combine can be use to get a feel for a player while unlocking more projected ratings, basically the same as the old pre-draft workouts but with a realistic atmosphere)

-Keep the existing pre-draft work out feature but limit it to just team work outs where you select 5 prospect to run a 5 v 5 against players on your team.

-Scouts should have a bigger impact on association mode. The better the scouts the more accurate a "projected rating" shall be. (actual ratings shouldn't be revealed until you sign the prospect) As you scout many players throughout the season, you should unlock limited ratings one by one with the more times you scout a player, the more accurate it is (of course poor scouts will have to spend more time with a prospect than a high rated one) We shouldn't be able to see most of a prospect's ratings until we play with them at the combine (of course projected draft stock will give you a idea of who "may" be the best guys in the upcoming draft)

-The Potential and OVR ratings should be hidden until the player is drafted.

-Add Summer League. It doesn't have to be a full blown schedule or anything, heck we can even skip it..Just add it there with a few games so we can test out player thats on our team and even spot some diamonds in the rough who went undrafted...Something similar to ABL in Choops..

Practice and in-season Training

-Should be integrated into one feature. As in previous NBA 2k's, Practice is pretty much irrelevant...There is no point in even using it, you would think that you would have to manage progressive fatigue within association but that feature doest do anything neither except have players jog/walk for 2 sec during a game....Take a book from Choops (again) and use the training system they had in place (don't feel like explaining it for the choops noobs) while integrating practice with it, basically we should have to manage practice time with training time during the season (also off days). Practice should continue to add bonus points to ratings (that actually matter this time) for the upcoming games while also managing fatigue (tired players = bad ratings and risk to injury, so off days should really be important) So with having to manage Game time, Practice time, Training time and Off time throughout a 82 game schedule, the off season is where we shall see drastic rating changes (via progression) because its basically no schedule to worry about...

A Few Key Notes To Piece Everything Together

-In season progression (training, production, Pot = progession)

-Coach ratings should determine how much of a rating boost you get from practice during the games

-Option to set everything to auto for the guys who are not really worried about this stuff

-Like MLB The Show's franchise, every event should be mapped out on a calendar (injuries should now carry on to the next year)

Everything I talked about is basically already in the game, it is just poorly implemented (well I shouldn't use "poorly" because the crew at 2k does a fantastic job with this game)...Lets tighten things up a bit!

Very nice ideas and very nicely written. I definitely would also like to see fatigue being more closely tied in with injuries; that's a great balancing tool and also very realistic.

[haloofduty]

Re: Is there going to be a Association insight?

Go back a few years and play some of the older 2k games.... Then come back and apologize to 2k for not appreciating all the enhancements they've made to the association mode over the years.

Apology? Oh your a comedian. 2ks association mode basically has been the same since 2k9. They added a few things and new menus but its basically the same. Same injury problems, rotation problems, win/loss problem, same boring developmental drills, key free agents not being signed all year, computer AI offering crazy trades, team chemistry needs a overhaul, same scouting system and I'm sure someone can add a few. I'm not asking for huge upgrades I just want it to work right. I don't want to play association with the same bugs for another year. All bugs should be fixed for all game modes.

[haloofduty]

Re: Is there going to be a Association insight?

Scouting

Should be more rewarding and immersive

-First of all, give us the option to use letter grade overall ratings in Association Mode (Choops has this)

-Add draft combine to the pre-draft workouts. (Draft combine can be use to get a feel for a player while unlocking more projected ratings, basically the same as the old pre-draft workouts but with a realistic atmosphere)

-Keep the existing pre-draft work out feature but limit it to just team work outs where you select 5 prospect to run a 5 v 5 against players on your team.

-Scouts should have a bigger impact on association mode. The better the scouts the more accurate a "projected rating" shall be. (actual ratings shouldn't be revealed until you sign the prospect) As you scout many players throughout the season, you should unlock limited ratings one by one with the more times you scout a player, the more accurate it is (of course poor scouts will have to spend more time with a prospect than a high rated one) We shouldn't be able to see most of a prospect's ratings until we play with them at the combine (of course projected draft stock will give you a idea of who "may" be the best guys in the upcoming draft)

-The Potential and OVR ratings should be hidden until the player is drafted.

-Add Summer League. It doesn't have to be a full blown schedule or anything, heck we can even skip it..Just add it there with a few games so we can test out player thats on our team and even spot some diamonds in the rough who went undrafted...Something similar to ABL in Choops..

Practice and in-season Training

-Should be integrated into one feature. As in previous NBA 2k's, Practice is pretty much irrelevant...There is no point in even using it, you would think that you would have to manage progressive fatigue within association but that feature doest do anything neither except have players jog/walk for 2 sec during a game....Take a book from Choops (again) and use the training system they had in place (don't feel like explaining it for the choops noobs) while integrating practice with it, basically we should have to manage practice time with training time during the season (also off days). Practice should continue to add bonus points to ratings (that actually matter this time) for the upcoming games while also managing fatigue (tired players = bad ratings and risk to injury, so off days should really be important) So with having to manage Game time, Practice time, Training time and Off time throughout a 82 game schedule, the off season is where we shall see drastic rating changes (via progression) because its basically no schedule to worry about...

A Few Key Notes To Piece Everything Together

-In season progression (training, production, Pot = progession)

-Coach ratings should determine how much of a rating boost you get from practice during the games

-Option to set everything to auto for the guys who are not really worried about this stuff

-Like MLB The Show's franchise, every event should be mapped out on a calendar (injuries should now carry on to the next year)

Everything I talked about is basically already in the game, it is just poorly implemented (well I shouldn't use "poorly" because the crew at 2k does a fantastic job with this game)...Lets tighten things up a bit!

You know what I dont like about these ideas? They probably never gonna happen.

[haloofduty]

Re: Is there going to be a Association insight?

Good luck with that

I know he keeps ignoring me lol. He could at least say he has no information or something. He is tweeting back to other people though. I feel unimportant lol

[clipperfan811]

Re: Is there going to be a Association insight?

Apology? Oh your a comedian. 2ks association mode basically been the same since 2k9. They added a few things and new menus but its basically the same. Same injury problems, rotation problems, win/loss problem, same boring developmental drills, key free agents not being signed all year, computer AI offering crazy trades, same scouting system and I'm sure someone can add a few. I'm not asking for huge upgrades I just want it to work right. I don't want to play association with the same bugs for another year. All bugs should be fixed for all game modes.

Yes I was trying to keep things friendly and funny...

Actually the trading bugs where totally different this year, in the past you had way too much movement, this year you had 1 or 2 trades all year long, they tried to correct it but I guess they over-corrected.

In 2k9 you could not:

Import draft classes or even edit player faces beyond changing the eye color. *This is a Major difference and gives a ton of replay value to games via draft class downloads either real life or made up. I kept association interesting this year by spending a nice chunk of time creating fictional draft classes which possessed interesting mixes of players with unique abilities and personalities (looks and tendencies).*

You could not split your mid level exception meaning if you were over the cap and signed a player for 1 million your whole 5.xx exception was wasted

The draft was a pink screen with names listed... and yeah ....that was it, no draft day trades, no podium, basically no excitement at all.

I am not saying that I don't want to see some well thought out improvements because I do but they have added a lot to the experience since 2k9 which you said was basically the same thing. Some things were game changers like the 2k share other things were cool touches that made you lose yourself and forget you were playing a game, like the revamp of the draft (which is going even deeper this year)

I've made post in the past about improvements I'd like to see but there's a constructive way to do things and there's a whiny/bash the game way to do it. One of those ways might grab the attention of a developer, one way has no chance at all.

But don't be angry we're all friends on the eeenteeerrrrrnetttt

[Toaster]

Re: Is there going to be a Association insight?

Judging by the video of the 2k12 association menus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_U9UH1NXRc) any changes made this year are very hard to spot. Hoping the insight will shed some light.

[Gosens6]

Re: Is there going to be a Association insight?

Judging by the video of the 2k12 association menus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_U9UH1NXRc) any changes made this year are very hard to spot. Hoping the insight will shed some light.

Looking at this, there are no changes. We can only hope they fixed the problems from last year, like that horrible horrible trade bug.

Ugh, this might be a long year for us association players.

[@ Lanc City]

Re: Is there going to be a Association insight?

I ask the guy who posted the video to see if the draft combine and summer league were in, nothing else though.

[likegreen]

Re: Is there going to be a Association insight?

lets hope they fixed the playing time for computer teams. manual or auto, i dont care if i have to do every single player, but i really want change to be made.

[edwho]

Re: Is there going to be a Association insight?

see....golly gee...this spells trouble for me...I love the assoc. mode but how much longer without it working right and it is time for a style change...nba.com can be improved and maybe a better rumor mill......CRAP CRAP CRAP!!

[Spartan901]

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I know he keeps ignoring me lol. He could at least say he has no information or something. He is tweeting back to other people though. I feel unimportant lol

Don't feel bad, he's been ignoring me for weeks lol

[DoWork]

Re: Is there going to be a Association insight?

Don't feel bad, he's been ignoring me for weeks lol

Me 2 lol. I just stopped following him, he will get no more tweets from me.