Does 3PT% need tuning?

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

Paul Pierce may not be Ray Allen, but he's hardly an average 3 point shooter. Heck, in 2010 he hit a higher % than Allen from three.

Didnt he win the contest that year too.

[domidomdomz]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

Played 7 online ranked matched already and about 5 or 6 of them were taking tons of 3pt attempts because they know that the 3pt shooting % is a bit high.

One thing I noticed though, they start to miss once I started to switch quickly into their 3pt shot taker and contest it with Y.

So I guess, 3pt shooting for online games should be toned down by a bit not many.

[2_headedmonster]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

I play the game alot with my friends who only play on default and I think I am pretty good at the game, but they can drain contested 3s like no ones business. Rashad Lewis is amazing...apparently. Melo is a sniper...it seems. Dont leave us offline players in the cold, i think like 3 or four notches down would be realistic.

[TeddyKGB]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

Paul Pierce may not be Ray Allen, but he's hardly an average 3 point shooter. Heck, in 2010 he hit a higher % than Allen from three.

Well, Pierce is a .369 career shooter from outside and .374 last year so maybe "average" isn't quite the right word, but he's certainly not exceptional from behind the line and that's not my point anyway. My point is that Allen is a .399 career shooter and .444 last year yet the difference between the two is essentially imperceptible in-game. I just think that a greater spread in the ratings is called for between the top and bottom 3 point shooters.

BTW, I use Real Player FG%.

[Brinkybon]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

I was playing against the Lakers in My Player, and was semi-amused to see that basically everyone on the court is running around with a 3 next to their name. Barnes, Fisher, Odom, Brown all with 3 icons. Then the following game, I saw Tony Parker with a 3 icon. These guys aren't 3 pt bombers (okay, Fisher I'd legitimately give a 3 icon to) - just because a guy can hit the 3 (and in the case of Parker, that's rare at best) doesn't mean he's a sniper from deep. The problem is then that these guys all play like bombers as well - give em a step from deep, and they'll chuck it up and most likely, make it in. That's one thing these slider arguments don't take into account; these players will still put up these shots, even if they don't go in, because they have these inflated 3 pt ratings to "justify" taking the shot.

But I do agree what was being said before about AI defense doing nothing to help; its clear that AI teammates are putting no pressure on opposition shooters, and this is exacerbating the problem.

[Brooder]

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In defensive settings I sag off guys like rondo and to an extent westbrook, its just unfair when they hit 3 after 3, I dont care how wide open you are, if you cant shoot a 3 you cant hit them consistently!

[Mos1ted]

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I play the game alot with my friends who only play on default and I think I am pretty good at the game, but they can drain contested 3s like no ones business. Rashad Lewis is amazing...apparently. Melo is a sniper...it seems. Dont leave us offline players in the cold, i think like 3 or four notches down would be realistic.

Raise the on-ball defense slider to 100. By default, the on-ball defense intensity is too weak, hence the consistency of contest shots falling. Raising the on-ball defense slider raises this intensity, thus positively affecting the outcome of contested shots.

[RedmanR]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

I see there are still quite a few people who can't seem to stay on topic or have a civil discussion without becoming a distraction

As far as I'm concerned you have no voice in this community and should be


I'm mainly playing offline, blacktop, practice and exhibition modes. No My Player or Association until the NBA Lock Out is over. I'm on board with everyone else regarding the frequency of 3 pointers being attempted and the high precentages by the A.I. I man-up the ball handler 85% of the time only to attempt a double-team. If I cheat and don't get back to my man it's totally my fault if I give up the three. That's the way it's supposed to be for three point specialist, not every perimeter player in the game

From what I've read the real problem with 3 point percentages lie in Association, My Player(can't adjust sliders) and online modes. I doubt if I will play online after the Lock Out if something isn't done.

Offline sliders can be adjusted but some gamers don't bother while others simply gave up on Association and My Player. Play other modes or step your game up in practice mode until we receive a definitive answer on what's to come in the near future in the form of a fix.

I just don't get what all the hate is about when it's always a matter of time before someone from 2K's development team listens to/addresses our gaming issues.


C'mon MAN

[stillfeelme]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

Raise the on-ball defense slider to 100. By default, the on-ball defense intensity is too weak, hence the consistency of contest shots falling. Raising the on-ball defense slider raises this intensity, thus positively affecting the outcome of contested shots.

Do you do it for user and CPU? I might need to do this and see what I get.

[Krodis]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

I can't speak to MyPlayer or to Online games, but in normal, standard, offline games, I think the 3 point numbers have been pretty spot on.

[Pared]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

Unbelievable how some of you use this as an outlet to voice your frustrations and think you it has a place here.

I'm going to start banning people INCLUDING LONG TIME MEMBERS. This is downright disgraceful. Everyone is playing the same damn game and should be able to discuss this like adults.

If you can't, you don't deserve to be posting here.

[Mos1ted]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

Do you do it for user and CPU? I might need to do this and see what I get.

Yes, I do it for both the user and CPU. What it does is raise the effectiveness of the defense's presence when defending a shooter. I feel it's too flat at 50 and the game is just not recognizing that a defender is there.

I'm playing on Superstar right now against the Heat with the Clippers, and D.Wade is 1 for 4 (half way through the first quarter) because I'm closing out on him when he receives the ball. Unfortunately for me, Lebron James is also on the floor, so I'm having a tough task trying to close out on both LOL. But I'm currently up 19-14.

In a previous game, I held Steve Nash in check by closing out on him the same way. He had built a house right in the middle of the court thanks to all the bricks he was throwing up. This also affects their rhythm somewhat on wide open shots, but whatever you do, don't get lazy and leave shooters uncontested.

I'm also noticing that the AI is less likely to just jack up shots because the defense is now recognized as being there like I mentioned earlier. They will be more deliberate in ensuring they're taking open shots.

[zelo_atari]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

I only play MyPlayer mode and here's what i have to say.

When a play is not completed, the AI will just dribble the ball outside the 3pt line and wait for the clock to run down. And at about 4-2 seconds left on the shot clock he will then just put up a shot which will go in, even when someone is in front of him. Crazy right? That applies to every pg,sg,sf, and sometimes even pf's

Another is that sometimes your teammate just lives a player outside the arc on/off ball. I remember 1 time our opponents pg is on iso and my stupid ai team mate just decided to runaway. Ofcourse the ai took the 3 and hit it.

[ffaacc03]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

Hi, Beluba:

The bellow comments sum pretty well the situation and possible solution.

I think this is relates to the conversation.

http://www.youtube.com/precise40#p/a/u/0/ouWQgR7F6ug

I haven't covered it in a video yet but the new defensive rotations especially on PnR's will need the base shot %'s to come down a tad in order to get the percentages at the right number in the right way.

Yes you can overcompensate with defense right now but real strategy demands that you let non shooters actually shoot. And laugh as they attempt it. LOL right now your not laughing your scrambling and running full speed to close out on a guy that you would normally prefer proves it first.

IMO of course.

Adjust player rating not the 3 point slider.

1. The patch does apply to MyPlayer and modes where offline gamers don't have sliders.
2. Wouldn't a roster update with more realistic 3PT ratings address the online problem?

I understand guys like J.J. Redick and Ray Allen will still be deadly from deep, but the 3PT ratings given to mediocre deep shooters on the default rosters are way too high. The same problem exists with big men shooting mid-range jumpers from 20 feet because they have shooting ratings in the 70's/80's. People complained about Kobe's mid-range rating, but if 2K applied that same microscope to the rest of the NBA then the game would play much better.

I think a ratings update to go with a patch that brought the default 3PT Success slider from 50 to 49 would be the best of both worlds for Online and Offline modes.

That is my opinion as well sliders will only mask the problems, there has to be rating adjustments all around to solve this problem.

Again, I agree with all above comments and to further demonstrate the efect of the increased 3pt ratings, see bellow:

Glad to see that this worked for you. It's a little trick I've been using in My Player to help on closeouts. I get (as you said) a mild contest, and sometimes it's the only thing you can do on a closeout because jumping/throwing up hands just wont work in time.

As for the thread what is the current NBA team average for 3pt shots?

Also what everyone is saying about 3pt ratings being too high is true. If you sim a season and look at percentages you'll see some ridiculous ones.

Here are a few from mine (80 games in):

Carmelo Anthony 49%! (League leader..)
Ray Allen 48%
Richard Jefferson 47%
Grant Hill 46.5%
Danny Granger 44.5%
Rudy Gay 41.7%
Lebron 40.4%

There were plenty of other big names in between here, but I just picked these for whatever reason. Maybe tendencies weigh in a bit here, but there's just no way that any of these guys should be bombing like this (yes even Ray Allen). Practically everyone needs a dramatic 3% drop, but of course adjusting the slider is much easier. Adjusting the sliders will normalize live games, but if even the computer thinks that these %s are ok then something's wrong.

Ratings need to be tweaked (for offline purposes) and then a slight adjust on the online sliders, like the one suggested.

P.S:

a simple solution would be to add sliders into online assoc that would fix the assoc problem.....

Sorry, could not let it pass, we absolutely need game styles and sliders on this mode as they are the key to balance multiple and different playstyles and make possible having a close simulation of the NBA.


Ah, and like your cam by the way !

[rangerrick012]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

1. The patch does apply to MyPlayer and modes where offline gamers don't have sliders.
2. Wouldn't a roster update with more realistic 3PT ratings address the online problem?

I understand guys like J.J. Redick and Ray Allen will still be deadly from deep, but the 3PT ratings given to mediocre deep shooters on the default rosters are way too high. The same problem exists with big men shooting mid-range jumpers from 20 feet because they have shooting ratings in the 70's/80's. People complained about Kobe's mid-range rating, but if 2K applied that same microscope to the rest of the NBA then the game would play much better.

I think a ratings update to go with a patch that brought the default 3PT Success slider from 50 to 49 would be the best of both worlds for Online and Offline modes.

This. There are too many guys w/ the 3pt icon right now. I have no idea why 2K decided to bump up the 3pt ratings for so many guys, but it's bad right now.

That and lowering the slider would be the perfect fix. Though it would seem that a roster update would be a good first step, because the 3pt ratings are bad right now.