How to rebuild Celtics?

[MURDR63]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

More info on Austin Daye? What position (sorry, just don't know who he is)? Also, is his rebounding or defense any good?

[OGKing]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

Austin Daye plays for the Pistons, he's currently at the Small Forward Position. His rebounding isn't that great as of right now, his Offensive Rebounding his a 41, while is Defensive Rebounding is a 63, but as i stated, nothing development can't fix. You can also develop him in off season training camp

[MURDR63]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

Austin Daye plays for the Pistons, he's currently at the Small Forward Position. His rebounding isn't that great as of right now, his Offensive Rebounding his a 41, while is Defensive Rebounding is a 63, but as i stated, nothing development can't fix. You can also develop him in off season training camp

Any other suggestions? Wanna keep all my options open.

[sactown_13]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

How are these trades?

Rondo

for

Thorton
'12 1st

Green

for

Thaddeus Young
Nikola Vučević

Those fair?

First one seems fair enough. Do you use real draft classes? With this draft being stacked im not sure they would give up the 2012 but probably 2013. the latter no. Thaddeus Young has more value than Green alone. im sure if you asked danny ainge which he would rather have he would pick young over his already employed green.

[dkrause1971]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

Any other suggestions? Wanna keep all my options open.

You'll have to decide how realistic/reasonable you want it to be. Its very unlikely that the Celtics can land a good or even average young player with the old stars. Your options would be either getting late picks like the Lakers did for Odom, or trading for players with poor contracts like Okafor, Joe Johnson, Turkoglu, etc. But teams with young star talent are not going to trade for Allen, or KG for sure. Pierce is unlikely as well.

The most likely scenario is the Celtics just play out the season and let them walk. That gives them tons of cap room for the 2012 class. I would suggest just simming out the 2012 season. Make sure the other teams trades go how you want (reasonable trades), etc.

[Opinianation]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

Try to trade for javale McGee and Crawford on the wizards.









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[MURDR63]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

Try to trade for javale McGee and Crawford on the wizards.









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For who though? And why would they trade them?

[Steven123]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

I assume you want to keep things realistic. Here's my masterplan for the new Celtics. Follow suite in real life and lock up Jeff Green, he's very versatile can can play the 3 and 4. Trade Rondo for Stephen Curry or Monta Ellis(one of them has to go eventually, Rondo with match perfectly with either one of them playing at the 2). Work out a three team trade where Ray Allen plus picks (preferably from the Lakers) goes to the Pacers, Paul Pierce goes to the Lakers, and you get Danny Granger and Ron Artest. With the arrival of George Paul, Danny Granger might become a trade asset and the Lakers will get their other star to play along Kobe. Keep KG and play him at Center, his skills are invaluable right now. Try to get Greg Oden in FA and sign some lock down 3pt bench shooters, Rudy Fernandez and Bill Walker comes to mind.

So here's my ideal lineup for the Celtics in say... two years.

PG - Stephen Curry (Steve Nash anyone?)

SG - Danny Granger ( Similar player to Paul Pierce), Bill Walker/Rudy Fernandez

SF - Ron Artest (Insane defender, you will need him to lock down the Lebrons, Carmelos)

PF - Jeff Green (Versatile player that can do alittle bit of everything), Brandon Bass ( He's still on the team remember? He might have to be traded to make some trades work though)

C - Kevin Garnett (He's definately a top player at that position), Greg Oden (future and great defender)

You can fill out the rest of the bench players, but I can say this team has a great chance to compete.

[MURDR63]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

I assume you want to keep things realistic. Here's my masterplan for the new Celtics. Follow suite in real life and lock up Jeff Green, he's very versatile can can play the 3 and 4. Trade Rondo for Stephen Curry or Monta Ellis(one of them has to go eventually, Rondo with match perfectly with either one of them playing at the 2). Work out a three team trade where Ray Allen plus picks (preferably from the Lakers) goes to the Pacers, Paul Pierce goes to the Lakers, and you get Danny Granger and Ron Artest. With the arrival of George Paul, Danny Granger might become a trade asset and the Lakers will get their other star to play along Kobe. Keep KG and play him at Center, his skills are invaluable right now. Try to get Greg Oden in FA and sign some lock down 3pt bench shooters, Rudy Fernandez and Bill Walker comes to mind.

So here's my ideal lineup for the Celtics in say... two years.

PG - Stephen Curry (Steve Nash anyone?)

SG - Danny Granger ( Similar player to Paul Pierce), Bill Walker/Rudy Fernandez

SF - Ron Artest (Insane defender, you will need him to lock down the Lebrons, Carmelos)

PF - Jeff Green (Versatile player that can do alittle bit of everything), Brandon Bass ( He's still on the team remember? He might have to be traded to make some trades work though)

C - Kevin Garnett (He's definately a top player at that position), Greg Oden (future and great defender)

You can fill out the rest of the bench players, but I can say this team has a great chance to compete.

No way Curry gets traded.

[MURDR63]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

bump for more opinions

[jeremym480]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

This is just my thought process and I know everyone approaches association differently and all, which is perfectly fine. However, I don't make many moves at the beginning of the season. If I did I would almost always find myself asking the question that I've seen throughout this thread.. "Why would so and so do that?" That's why I wait until around January or closer to the trade deadline to look at trades. This way it's easier to justify making certain moves.

For example, if I'm using the Celtics and we're in the process of making a playoff push, we may want an upgrade at center. So I may look at someone like Chris Kaman in New Orleans. He's in the last year of his current deal and if they are looking at a possible lottery pick, then it makes a lot of sense for them to move him. On the flip side if if I'm struggling and a team like Dallas (or another playoff team) loses Dirk for the year, then maybe I look to trade KG to fill the void.

*disclaimer - I have no idea if either of trades could work something out financially, I'm just using them for the purposes of giving examples.

[Paulinho]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

I'd build around Rondo and build through the draft.

[MURDR63]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

I'd build around Rondo and build through the draft.

Any trade suggestions?

[EccentricMeat]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

I assume you want to keep things realistic. Here's my masterplan for the new Celtics. Follow suite in real life and lock up Jeff Green, he's very versatile can can play the 3 and 4. Trade Rondo for Stephen Curry or Monta Ellis(one of them has to go eventually, Rondo with match perfectly with either one of them playing at the 2). Work out a three team trade where Ray Allen plus picks (preferably from the Lakers) goes to the Pacers, Paul Pierce goes to the Lakers, and you get Danny Granger and Ron Artest. With the arrival of George Paul, Danny Granger might become a trade asset and the Lakers will get their other star to play along Kobe. Keep KG and play him at Center, his skills are invaluable right now. Try to get Greg Oden in FA and sign some lock down 3pt bench shooters, Rudy Fernandez and Bill Walker comes to mind.

So here's my ideal lineup for the Celtics in say... two years.

PG - Stephen Curry (Steve Nash anyone?)

SG - Danny Granger ( Similar player to Paul Pierce), Bill Walker/Rudy Fernandez

SF - Ron Artest (Insane defender, you will need him to lock down the Lebrons, Carmelos)

PF - Jeff Green (Versatile player that can do alittle bit of everything), Brandon Bass ( He's still on the team remember? He might have to be traded to make some trades work though)

C - Kevin Garnett (He's definately a top player at that position), Greg Oden (future and great defender)

You can fill out the rest of the bench players, but I can say this team has a great chance to compete.

Curry isn't going anywhere, and the Lakers and Celtics don't do business, let alone for Paul Pierce...

[insideoutside15]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

I really wouldn't trade any of the Big Three. Garnett and Allen are both huge expiring contracts and you'd probably have to take back some junk just to make the salaries work in a trade. It's better to hang onto them and bring them back on much cheaper deals as role players next season.

I think a fun way of rebuilding is to do something kind of counter-intuitive and trade Rondo and Green. My Association plan is to trade Rondo, Jermaine O'Neal, JaJuan Johnson, and my '12 first rounder for Steve Nash, Marcin Gortat, and Phoenix's '12 first rounder. With the exception of swapping the draft picks (in real life Phoenix either wouldn't give up a first or would heavily protect it), it's a pretty fair trade for both stars. Nash is a huge offensive upgrade over Rondo, albeit a much worse defender, and about an equally good playmaker. Gortat gives the Celtics a reasonably cheap, much more durable and consistent big man than a broken down JO. Phoenix gets a young All-Star point guard locked into a favorable long term contract, salary cap relief in JO, and a very minor prospect in Johnson.

After that, Green can be flipped for whatever. I like extra size with upside off the bench, so I'll probably see if I can get Tyrus Thomas from Charlotte. I'll end up rounding out the bench with guys like Redd and Posey on the cheap, giving me a lineup of:

Nash/Dooing/Bradley
Allen/Redd/Daniels
Pierce/Posey
Garnett/Thomas/Bass
Gortat/Thomas

Here's where it gets interesting. The above is potentially a championship caliber team in 2K but Nash, Allen, and Garnett alone combine for over $40 million in expiring contracts. The only players you'll have left under contract after the season are Pierce, Gortat, Thomas, and Bradley. Gortat and Thomas are both valuable enough players on contracts that are very moveable, giving the Celtics a lot of flexibility. When you factor in the high lottery pick from Phoenix, the gobs of cap room, and the valuable trade assets in Bradley, Gortat, and Thomas, you have so much room to operate that it's crazy.