The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

[Optik]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

I'm sick of hearing this revisionist crap. 2K12's defense was abysmal compared to 2K11 AND 2K13. There were a minimal amount of perimeter defense animations and the main one was pretty unrealistic. Guiding your man to help was an exercise in futility, as your opponent would just knock down your help and you would get called with the blocking foul.

There is FAR more contact now, on the perimeter AND in the paint. People are just too LAZY to do their pre-match defensive settings. I haven't heard anyone who is complaining talk about what steps they've actually TAKEN to defend properly.

Sick of Kyle Korver draining threes all the time? Well don't just leave your defensive settings on Auto. That is just wilful stupidity. You'll leave him wide open ALL GAME.

You can't just expect the game to hand you a victory by just showing up an being a "sim player". You've got more defensive options than EVER BEFORE. USE THEM. You can look at your opponent's playstyle by just calling a timeout and switching to the appropriate tab. Mix it up. If you play 100% on ball D all the time, then you DESERVE to get beat.

[sreckless]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

I'm sick of hearing this revisionist crap. 2K12's defense was abysmal compared to 2K11 AND 2K13. There were a minimal amount of perimeter defense animations and the main one was pretty unrealistic. Guiding your man to help was an exercise in futility, as your opponent would just knock down your help and you would get called with the blocking foul.

There is FAR more contact now, on the perimeter AND in the paint. People are just too LAZY to do their pre-match defensive settings. I haven't heard anyone who is complaining talk about what steps they've actually TAKEN to defend properly.

Sick of Kyle Korver draining threes all the time? Well don't just leave your defensive settings on Auto. That is just wilful stupidity. You'll leave him wide open ALL GAME.

You can't just expect the game to hand you a victory by just showing up an being a "sim player". You've got more defensive options than EVER BEFORE. USE THEM. You can look at your opponent's playstyle by just calling a timeout and switching to the appropriate tab. Mix it up. If you play 100% on ball D all the time, then you DESERVE to get beat.

I agree with a lot of this in theory but there are issues in this game and they are very serious. I just got to see one particular glitch in action that I hesitate to even describe.

There are a lot of awesome improvements but also a few areas that have regressed or are simply bugged.

NBA2k12 in its final, patched version, was much more realistic and less exploitable than the new game is right now.

[NINJAK2]

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I'm kind of with you on 2k12 Optik but whether you are playing on ball or off ball should make no difference when it comes to defensive players being acknowledged in paint in relation to certain offensive moves. Same with defensive adjustments(I do that). People should not have to play off ball d a majority of the time to get these type of things and if that is the case 2k needs to take another look at the mechanics-In other words, playing off-ball d should not be a requirement for defensive principles/physics to be recognized.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

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I hate how dumb your defense player's are. If the user or computer push the ball up your teammates act Sooo dumb getting back. Smh. Last year 2k had a great formula stopping the "hail Mary" passes not this year. SMH. Another thing I hate is when everybody is "allegedly" playing tight but is sagging off a player. smh

THIS

I played a guy who only shot threes the whole game and even though I set my thing to 'pressure shooters' my players were sagging off every shooter.

[BornBetter]

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I actually think it's harder to follow your man off-ball than it was in 2K12. I have a really hard time staying with my man and get dominated by screens in this game. Anyone have any tips on this?

THIS

I played a guy who only shot threes the whole game and even though I set my thing to 'pressure shooters' my players were sagging off every shooter.

Ever tried a 3-2 zone defense?

[Vni]

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I actually think it's harder to follow your man off-ball than it was in 2K12. I have a really hard time staying with my man and get dominated by screens in this game. Anyone have any tips on this?

Yes. Go in your controller's option. Turn off Auto shot contest, and turn the Defensive assist slider to 0. I find that it reduces greatly the input lag there is in defense and it also prevents the player you're controlling from doing stupid things on his own, like biting on pump fakes.

[balldoktor81]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

Yes. Go in your controller's option. Turn off Auto shot contest, and turn the Defensive assist slider to 0. I find that it reduces greatly the input lag there is in defense and it also prevents the player you're controlling from doing stupid things on his own, like biting on pump fakes.

+1!!! do it! i have no problem with the game. yes you will see some weird things, but it's the same in reality and it's not like if that happens a lot. get your def. settings right, even your coaching profiles and if you experience any exploits by the cpu... try zone. and keep in mind, maybe your team/players are not that great on D...

[coldkevin]

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I was speaking on the idea of going back to 2k12, which other posters have said multiple times, That's the 'we' I'm addressing.

You also can't present how your personal enjoyment of the game is as 'fact'. I definitely agree on some of your defensive complaints though..

The 'we' was referring to all those, and they are many, who are experiencing the same problem. My personal enjoyment depends from what i expect, and so do others i think, from a sports simulation, that is certainly not perfection, but not even issues like the ones i see in the defensive part of 2k13.
All I can hope is that 2k listen to my voice, and to the voice of many others from what i can see.

[Vni]

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Lastly I would like more forced pick up dribbles when defenders have position and stop ballhandlers repeatedly when they try to pound paint

I agree. They should loose the ball/pick up their dribble more often when they try to force their way into a defender.

[robny23]

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Offline or unranked online play vs friends, if on high difficulty and correct settings game is near perfect. Many may assume and judge the game by the ranked quick matches which is clearly terrible at the moment. There is no way you can compare 2k12 to this game at all. 2k13 is by far better in all aspects, when the game is properly set on the correct settings and difficulty, its close to a perfect game.

All the points in the paint, off reb, long passes, high shot percentages when contested, all that is toned down on higher settings. What 2k needs to fix is online quick matches, change settings, cause it terrible at the moment. Thats why some people may assume the game plays bad by judging quick matches.

[wingsworld]

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NBA 2K12 defensive play was excellent. The main problem with that game was the offensive play, it was just way too dominant that the defense wasn't good enough to stop. If they had kept NBA 2K11's offensive play and the pace of the game, NBA 2K12 would have been superb.

Now we have NBA 2K13: gaudy menus, deteriorated presentation elements. At least with NBA 2K11 and 2K12, the game felt like Simulation basketball. Now, it turned into a true video game .... virtual currency, constant fast breaks, high field goal percentage.

However, I will admit NBA 2K13 is a great game if you are playing 5 minute quarters. A lot of sim ballers like to play 12 minutes (like the real game). 2K Sports, go turn on NBA 2K11, take notes and make up a patch. Defensive play is essential to Simulation basketball.

WHAT GM WAS U PLAYING IT HAD ALL KIND OF ISSUES DEFENSIVELY PLEASE SIT DOWN

[TheRealHST]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

After several games now i can say that. Period!

And does not depend only from knowledge of basketball of who has the joypad in the hands, but from the incorrect application of fundamentals of the cpu.

Not so fast...what are your sliders like?

[Fakeemail1on1]

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If you play this with the stock settings and sliders, the defense is really bad this year. It seems the game was meant to be an offensive game, with mid range jumpers going in 60%+ and dunk animations literally being unstoppable. Try blocking someone going up in a dunk animation and even if you time it perfectly, you will be pushed out of the way. The same happens with lay ups, although it is actually possible to block those.

The steal is actually pretty good, maybe even OP against the CPU, but even 1 inch of space is money for the computer because the on-ball defense in this game is pretty iffy (my experience with my athletic SF with 75 on-ball def, 80 speed, 80 quickness, not sure if it gets better with higher stats.) I will say I like how intense defense automatically contests some shots realistically now (hand in the face, reasonable jumps, etc).

[TheRealHST]

Re: The defensive logic of this game is completely messed up!

If you play this with the stock settings and sliders, the defense is really bad this year. It seems the game was meant to be an offensive game, with mid range jumpers going in 60%+ and dunk animations literally being unstoppable. Try blocking someone going up in a dunk animation and even if you time it perfectly, you will be pushed out of the way. The same happens with lay ups, although it is actually possible to block those.

The steal is actually pretty good, maybe even OP against the CPU, but even 1 inch of space is money for the computer because the on-ball defense in this game is pretty iffy (my experience with my athletic SF with 75 on-ball def, 80 speed, 80 quickness, not sure if it gets better with higher stats.) I will say I like how intense defense automatically contests some shots realistically now (hand in the face, reasonable jumps, etc).

I turned the jumpsot defense strength and layup defensive strengths all the way up. With it all the way up I cant just freely shoot in front of people and neither can they and layups are a little harder to complete.

[Fakeemail1on1]

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I turned the jumpsot defense strength and layup defensive strengths all the way up. With it all the way up I cant just freely shoot in front of people and neither can they and layups are a little harder to complete.

I definitely need to try that then, because in its current state, you can literally walk up and take a mid range jumper and get 10 straight points with almost any player before the CPU reacts and double teams that said player. Also the CPU makes it on your CPU teammates all the time, it's pretty funny.