Russell Westbrook.....

[Red Kafe]

Re: Russell Westbrook.....

@Red- you just said Rose is every bit as valuable as Durant and LeBron yet you're calling me the idiot? PLEASE..

He's a superstar in the NBA , A franchise player , the Bulls aren't a tittle contender without him just like The heat and thunder wouldn't be without Lebron and Durant. I see nothing wrong with what I said.

[Red Kafe]

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Rose is the most critized MVP since Nash won it a 2nd time. Just because The Bulls played great defense Rose shouldn't get MVP ? Rose was basically their beginning and end. Lebron won MVP got the best record in the NBA but put up
His regular numbers but Rose cant win it when his team
Had best record and put up career highs ? Idk about y'all but Rose deserved it , Kobe didn't , Lebron didn't because his year washy as good as his year before and the first time the Heat got together . But anyway Rose won it cant change it.

[raiderphantom]

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Rose won an MVP but people have short term memory lol. Rose is arguably a top 5 player. Westbrook is arguably top 10 but no way he should crack anyone's top 5. OP it doesn't help your argument with your name being drose fan. Only makes you look biased.

[ojandpizza]

Rose is the most critized MVP since Nash won it a 2nd time. Just because The Bulls played great defense Rose shouldn't get MVP ? Rose was basically their beginning and end. Lebron won MVP got the best record in the NBA but put up
His regular numbers but Rose cant win it when his team
Had best record and put up career highs ? Idk about y'all but Rose deserved it , Kobe didn't , Lebron didn't because his year washy as good as his year before and the first time the Heat got together . But anyway Rose won it cant change it.

His "career highs" weren't as good as Howard's, LeBron, Kobe, or Durant's numbers were? So what if it was HIS personal best? Give him the most improved then, not MVP.. Who cares if LeBron put up his "regular numbers" his regular numbers are the best numbers in the entire league..

The difference between Nash and Rose is that Nash actually MADE his team.. He made all of those guys better. Rose has an excellent supporting cast, and their defense is the top in the league.. That Phoenix team was nothing without Nash, not even 8th seed playoff team..

And again, like I pointed out before at least Nash was averaging a double double.. You tell me what's impressive about a top 3 PG in the league getting 7 assists?? Not only did he ONLY have 7 assists but also 3 turnovers to go along with it.. That's ELITE right there..

And since you brought up the whole Nash thing it might be worthy of noting that Nash actually averaged MORE rebounds than Rose did as well.. You try to explain how that should ever happen.. All the while Rose was playing more minutes than Nash was too...

Not to mention percentage wise Steve Nash is the best all around shooter in league history.

I stand by what I've always said.. Rose is IMO the most unworthy MVP award winner possibly ever

[ojandpizza]

He's a superstar in the NBA , A franchise player , the Bulls aren't a tittle contender without him just like The heat and thunder wouldn't be without Lebron and Durant. I see nothing wrong with what I said.

That's true but they aren't a title contender with him either.. If you honestly think they are maybe you should go back and watch the past few season over again

[drose_fan]

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That's true but they aren't a title contender with him either.. If you honestly think they are maybe you should go back and watch the past few season over again

They're title contenders with him get over it.... If Wade and LeBron didn't join teams and start this fantasy league mess in the NBA the bulls would have the title..

But as you know Rose plays the game ol skool like it should be done no recruiting players

[IGetBoards]

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Derrick Rose was arguably the most explosive and athletically gifted PG to grace the face of the NBA in a generation... but then he started having back spasms, and toe problems, ankle problems, and finally blew out his ACL...Derrick Rose, will never ever return to his former form and as much as it pains me to admit this I've seen this happen before.

I point to the Sagas of Grant Hill & Tracy McGrady...two players who before they had crippling injuries were arguably some of the most gifted players in the NBA. After these injuries they were never back to form and that isn't a slight against them... it's simply the sad truth of the toll that these guys put on their bodies night in and night out.

It's a wonder how Russel hasn't had any serious injuries yet and his durability is an extraordinary gift in it's own right. He's literally not missed a game since his freshman year of high school...

Comparing Rose's MVP season to Russel; it's not even close...Rose wins. But expecting that same level of performance this season is horribly shortsighted. Nobody in the NBA comes off an injury like that and keeps up their play. Thus, I think it's warranted to have Russel rated higher then Rose. Because I fully expect Russel to out perform him for the bulk of the season until Rose gets back into form...

[ojandpizza]

They're title contenders with him get over it.... If Wade and LeBron didn't join teams and start this fantasy league mess in the NBA the bulls would have the title..

But as you know Rose plays the game ol skool like it should be done no recruiting players

You're completely clue-less, how old are you? Apparently you just don't like the Heat? That's fine, hate the Heat all you want.. You hating the Heat isn't going to ever make Rose better than he actually is lol..

Technically, Garnett and Ray Allen started this new big 3 era crap.. But of course they aren't LeBron so nobody hates them for it.. Hell Howard isn't even getting half the **** LeBron did and he's been 10times worse about it..

Also- big 3's have been around forever, Wilt, West, Baylor - Kareem, Magic, Worthy - Bird, McHale, Parish- Jordan, Pippen, Rodman - just because its starting to happen again and we are moving past the HORRIBLE early 2000s doesn't mean it's a bad thing..

[K.So]

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You're completely clue-less, how old are you? Apparently you just don't like the Heat? That's fine, hate the Heat all you want.. You hating the Heat isn't going to ever make Rose better than he actually is lol..

Technically, Garnett and Ray Allen started this new big 3 era crap.. But of course they aren't LeBron so nobody hates them for it.. Hell Howard isn't even getting half the **** LeBron did and he's been 10times worse about it..

Also- big 3's have been around forever, Wilt, West, Baylor - Kareem, Magic, Worthy - Bird, McHale, Parish- Jordan, Pippen, Rodman - just because its starting to happen again and we are moving past the HORRIBLE early 2000s doesn't mean it's a bad thing..

Yeah, Big 3s have been around forever, so why is anyone griping about LeBron...:

60s Celtics
70s Lakers
Magic/Kareem/Worthy
Bird/McHale/Parish
Jordan/Pippen/Rodman
KG/Allen/Pierce
LeBron/Wade/Bosh
Kobe/Howard/Nash/Gasol

etc...

[drose_fan]

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You're completely clue-less, how old are you? Apparently you just don't like the Heat? That's fine, hate the Heat all you want.. You hating the Heat isn't going to ever make Rose better than he actually is lol..

Technically, Garnett and Ray Allen started this new big 3 era crap.. But of course they aren't LeBron so nobody hates them for it.. Hell Howard isn't even getting half the **** LeBron did and he's been 10times worse about it..

Also- big 3's have been around forever, Wilt, West, Baylor - Kareem, Magic, Worthy - Bird, McHale, Parish- Jordan, Pippen, Rodman - just because its starting to happen again and we are moving past the HORRIBLE early 2000s doesn't mean it's a bad thing..

Lol dude I like the heat and I don't have anything against them... Matter fact to clear up the biasness to my username everyone is bringing up here's who I think are top 5 in the league, d rose isn't #1... But when he is healthy It's like this....

1. LeBron
2.Wade
3. Rose
4. Durant
5. CP3/ Toss up between about 3 players don't really care because right now those top 4 are the best franchise players REGARDLESS IF YALL LIKE IT OR NOT


AND as for Russel being better than wade just cause wade doesn't play like a wreckles 20 yr old anymore is funny lol wade is 10xs better, that's why he has more rings

[grahf21]

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CP3 > DRose = Westbrook

[drose_fan]

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CP3 > DRose = Westbrook

Cp3 used to be my fav point guard but have u seen the way rose man handles him? But cp3 is not alone he man handled the hell outta d will, rondo, u name it...

Westbrook is the only smart enough to let Sephalosh guard him, he knows that's a problem he don't want.

Besides LeBron with all the help defense and team schemes to stop Rose who else can guard Rose???? Guy gets hurt and everybody forgets he's the best scoring guard since Iverson. Smh

[badman33462]

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The importance of D. Rose will be measured this year....when he misses most of the year. The Bulls will be a 6th seed (IN THE EAST) at best without D. Rose. With him, they're a top 5-6 team in the league. Anyone else says different just doesn't know basketball.

It's amazing the short term memory that people have. The fact that yall are saying he didn't deserve the MVP is baffling. Are yall serious? SMH. Also, in Game 1 last year against Philly, the Bulls were up by almost 20 before he gets hurt at the end. Without him, they went 1-4 against Philly (an 8th seed) and lost the series.

Russell Westbrook is a damn good player but don't (for a minute) think that if D. Rose was in OKC and Russell was in Chicago that the result would have been the same.

Pre-ACL injury, D. Rose was the better player (and that's really not debatable). Post-ACL injury, we will find out.

[SaylaB]

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Yeah, Big 3s have been around forever, so why is anyone griping about LeBron...:

60s Celtics
70s Lakers
Magic/Kareem/Worthy
Bird/McHale/Parish
Jordan/Pippen/Rodman
KG/Allen/Pierce
LeBron/Wade/Bosh
Kobe/Howard/Nash/Gasol

etc...

The last 3 Big 3's aside...

How many of them were formed through free-agency and how many through the draft?

KG/Allen/Pierce; LeBron/Wade/Bosh; Kobe/Howard/Nash/Gasol; all through free-agency.

Pippen and Jordan were both drafted to the Bulls, while Rodman joined later, but the Bulls had already won 3 championships by that time.

I'd be curious as to see what the others looked like as well. I might look up some draft history to find out.

[ojandpizza]

Cp3 used to be my fav point guard but have u seen the way rose man handles him? But cp3 is not alone he man handled the hell outta d will, rondo, u name it...

Westbrook is the only smart enough to let Sephalosh guard him, he knows that's a problem he don't want.

Besides LeBron with all the help defense and team schemes to stop Rose who else can guard Rose???? Guy gets hurt and everybody forgets he's the best scoring guard since Iverson. Smh

He's the best scoring guard since Iverson??? Maybe you haven't been watching much of the NBA at all.. Do Kobe or Wade count? They are always ahead of him..

In 08/09 - Wade, Kobe, Roy, Paul, Parker, Johnson, Harris, Carter, Gordon, Terry, Mayo, Billups, Richardson

09/10- Kobe, Wade, Ellis, Johnson, even with Evans

10-11 - Kobe, Wade, Ellis & Martin only 1 point behind

11/12 - Wade, Kobe, Westbrook, Ellis agains only one point behind, Williams equal..

That's the players ahead of or close to Rose season by season.. He has never once been the leading scoring guard in the league..

Also, HE PLAYS PG.. His measly 7 assists per game in his MVP is FAR from impressive.. Like I said earlier, the only PG since the 50s to win MVP and not average at least 10APG..

Not to mention when Iverson was the leading scoring guard he was actually the leading scorer in the entire league. Rose has never even cracked the top 5..

His best season was 25 points, 7 assists, 4 rebounds, 3+ turnovers, .44FG%, .33Fg3%, only one steal.

^there is nothing mind blowing by that at all.. Good numbers, MVP numbers? No way.. Best PG in the league numbers? NO WAY...

I have no idea what you think you are seeing in this guy but it obviously just isn't there..