You don't get the MVP for effort, you should get it for being the most valuable player. Dwight Howard was, by far, the most valuable player in the NBA. If you get MVP because of speech and character, that just shows me that the MVP is a joke award.
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You don't get the MVP for effort, you should get it for being the most valuable player. Dwight Howard was, by far, the most valuable player in the NBA. If you get MVP because of speech and character, that just shows me that the MVP is a joke award.Tampa Bay Rays
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Dude... I agree with you Rose got the MVP award because of popularity! Gosh your acting like Derrick Rose averaged 10 Points and 3 AssistComment
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Like the Heisman, the MVP is generally awarded to the best player on the best team. The problem with just looking at numbers is that someone like LeBron should win EVERY year if you base it off of numbers. Yea D. Rose only had 7 assists but he scored more too. The MVP award is a combination of numbers and wins courtesy of said player.
When Steve Nash won his 1st MVP in 04-05, he averaged 15.5 pts and 11.5 asts. Do that math and he accounted for roughly 39 points.
Steve Nash's 2nd MVP in 05-06: 18.8 pts and 11.5 assists...accounted for roughly 42 points.
When AI won it in 00-01: 31.1 pts and 4.6 assists...accounted for 40 points
D. Rose's MVP year: 25 points and 7.7 asts and he also accounted for roughly 39 points.
So that's the first part of the MVP equation. The 2nd part is wins. The Bulls had 62 wins that year and had the best record in the league. At the beginning of the year, NO ONE in the league was expecting that looking at the Bulls roster. The Bulls overachieved that year and it was all because of D. Rose. He alone is probably responsible for 15-17 wins. Without him, the Bulls are a 42-45 win ballclub. That cannot be said for Westbrook. Why? Because he has Durant. Westbrook may account for 7-10 wins.
Russell Westbrook is a DAMN good player but he will ALWAYS be in Durant's shadow and that will hurt him. He will never win a MVP award as long as he plays with Durant. His situation with Durant is similar to Pippen's with MJ. Damn good player that just happened to be on the team with a better player.Comment
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As for the OP's question, I think Rose and Westbrook being even is understandable. Rose is asked to do more than Westbrook, but I think Westbrook would do pretty well in Rose's role. However, his efficiency ratings would be lower.
I give Rose the slight edge for that reason but the difference is small.Originally posted by billmaticRadman is more like the ******** homeless man's version of Okur.Comment
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For one: why is he rated higher than d rose am I missing something? I know rose was hurt but I mean Sheesh be respectful... And he's 93 so how is wade not at least 95.
Two: in association mode he's always leading the league in scoring.... News flash he's the second option on his team how is he leading the league let alone scoring more than Durant...
I like and respect westbrook but his rating should be like 89, speed,durability,med range, and defense are the only things he should be high in... Idk why 2k overrated him like they did, that's crazy.......Comment
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Dude if y'all think Westbrook is even in the same league as him just cause athleticism you clearly don't know basketball... Rose has way more body control on the attack, way more acrobatic, his med range is better too he shoots better percentage on med range yr in n yr out that Westbrook...
3 point range no question rose got him beat.
Westbrook may be a better defender but then again he may not be he just LOOKS way more enthused and passionate, he's more expressive...
If y'all were starting a team who would u pick of the 2?? All 30 gm's would laugh at that questionComment
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The last 3 Big 3's aside...
How many of them were formed through free-agency and how many through the draft?
KG/Allen/Pierce; LeBron/Wade/Bosh; Kobe/Howard/Nash/Gasol; all through free-agency.
Pippen and Jordan were both drafted to the Bulls, while Rodman joined later, but the Bulls had already won 3 championships by that time.
I'd be curious as to see what the others looked like as well. I might look up some draft history to find out.Originally posted by jd@osYeah...but if I go buy it late with him on the cover will it still be there? Or will it disappear late in the game like he does?Originally posted by blues rockeri'm not sure what to think about the fact that there are 2 wolfman threads...but i think i like it. i've always said this forum needs more wolf talk.Comment
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For one: why is he rated higher than d rose am I missing something? I know rose was hurt but I mean Sheesh be respectful... And he's 93 so how is wade not at least 95.
Two: in association mode he's always leading the league in scoring.... News flash he's the second option on his team how is he leading the league let alone scoring more than Durant...
I like and respect westbrook but his rating should be like 89, speed,durability,med range, and defense are the only things he should be high in... Idk why 2k overrated him like they did, that's crazy.......
last year numbers Drose ppg 21.8 rbg 3.4 apg 7.9 spg 0.9 bpg 0.7 fg%.435 3pt.312 ft%.812
the guy you hating on ppg 23.6 rpg 4.6 apg 5.5 1.7 bpg 0.3 fg% .457 3pt% .316 ft% .823 with the scoring champ on his team? bruh get lost u have no valid points rite now your talking like rose is so much better dont bring up old Rose mvp numbers no one cares last year westbrook was just as good if not better with KDTrey5 on the same team. im done...Comment
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The last 3 Big 3's aside...
How many of them were formed through free-agency and how many through the draft?
KG/Allen/Pierce; LeBron/Wade/Bosh; Kobe/Howard/Nash/Gasol; all through free-agency.
Pippen and Jordan were both drafted to the Bulls, while Rodman joined later, but the Bulls had already won 3 championships by that time.
I'd be curious as to see what the others looked like as well. I might look up some draft history to find out.
KG and Allen were acquired to the Celtics via trade. They traded away a ton of young talent to get that done, including #5 pick in draft.
Gasol and Howard went to LAL via trade. Nash not, but the rest were.
If you want the most recent big 3 via draft, you probably have to go to the Spurs ... Duncan, Ginobili, Parker.
However, none of those are like the Heat, who formed their joke of a union because of a free agent coup to Miami.Comment
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Dwight averaged 23 and 14, an actual DOUBLE DOUBLE. Defensive player of the year, all NBA first team, all defensive first team and he got his team to the playoffs just like Rose did.. You take Rose away from Chicago and Howard away from Orlando and tell me which team does better...?
Howard was EASILY more VALUABLE than Rose was that year and he even had better numbers.. There is no reason that man should not have won MVPComment
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Like the Heisman, the MVP is generally awarded to the best player on the best team. The problem with just looking at numbers is that someone like LeBron should win EVERY year if you base it off of numbers. Yea D. Rose only had 7 assists but he scored more too. The MVP award is a combination of numbers and wins courtesy of said player.
When Steve Nash won his 1st MVP in 04-05, he averaged 15.5 pts and 11.5 asts. Do that math and he accounted for roughly 39 points.
Steve Nash's 2nd MVP in 05-06: 18.8 pts and 11.5 assists...accounted for roughly 42 points.
When AI won it in 00-01: 31.1 pts and 4.6 assists...accounted for 40 points
D. Rose's MVP year: 25 points and 7.7 asts and he also accounted for roughly 39 points.
So that's the first part of the MVP equation. The 2nd part is wins. The Bulls had 62 wins that year and had the best record in the league. At the beginning of the year, NO ONE in the league was expecting that looking at the Bulls roster. The Bulls overachieved that year and it was all because of D. Rose. He alone is probably responsible for 15-17 wins. Without him, the Bulls are a 42-45 win ballclub. That cannot be said for Westbrook. Why? Because he has Durant. Westbrook may account for 7-10 wins.
Russell Westbrook is a DAMN good player but he will ALWAYS be in Durant's shadow and that will hurt him. He will never win a MVP award as long as he plays with Durant. His situation with Durant is similar to Pippen's with MJ. Damn good player that just happened to be on the team with a better player.
Like I said Rose had 7 assists and 3 turnovers and he averaged LESS rebounds than Nash did all while playing more minutes!
Nash also averaged a double double, which many of you don't seem to think is important but if you're supposed to be the top PG in the league you should be damn good at setting up your teammates..Comment
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The MVP never is given to the player with the most value to his team; if that's the case, Howard and LeBron should have had all of them by now it seems...
Anyways, Rose is better than Westbrook. Not sure how Rose'll be after his rehab, but before that, for sure. Rose is a better scorer, and unlike Westbrook, he doesn't have Kevin Durant to draw away defensive attention, or James Harden. Who's the defense going to fear on the Bulls...Luol Deng? Come on. Rose is a much better passer, especially in the drive-and-dish game...what is Westbrook better at? Maybe not even defense, since Rose only surrendered 0.77 points-per-possession last season, and don't make excuses it was for Chicago's great interior D that got him that number, because he only allowed 0.75 PPP in isolation plays,Canucks | Packers | Blue Jays | Lakers | Raptors
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Westbrook plays with Durant. That alone gets him great looks and driving lanes because there's no chance in hell that someone is going to give Durant an open look.Twitter: @TyroneisMaximus
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