Dribble Move & Finish Move tendency update

[gk05]

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Are these up for ps3? Would someone want to collaborate and put these into a roster set like rashidi or dirty south's association rosters?

[leon0714]

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After editing these roster for two weeks now. I have watched tons of game footage and I am going to be posting my sliders and coach settings to go along with the roster edits.

Also I will be doing some more tendency edits throughout to get a better gameplay experience. Probably not every player but each teams starting PF, C (post moves) and all All-Star Caliber players will definitely get some tendency (post, attack and a few more) updates.

Some things that I will be looking into:
- Post moves (try and give the better post players more diversity)
- Attack tendency (I hate that if a player has a lane that he just stands there and dribbles until either the play is finished or the shot clocks runs down to low)

Wow...that would be top notch roster. Can't wait it.

[Colts18]

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Chia, not sure if this is what you do, but the best way to test these is to start up a 1-on-1 Blacktop Matchup. I watched Jamal vs. Tony Allen and they both were on point, especially with their hesitation dribbles.

Very good stuff man.

[jah.volunteer]

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Can't seem to find these on 2k Share via PS3????

They are on 2k share under:

Gamertag: Chiazzle55

or

Filename: Chia51-Dribble and Finish Move Update Apr18

[hulyan]

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Can't seem to find these on 2k Share via PS3????

it's for 360

[JohnDoe8865]

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I am going to be posting my sliders and coach settings to go along with the roster edits.

I'm wanting to see these especially.

[MJHSpanda57]

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Are these up for ps3? Would someone want to collaborate and put these into a roster set like rashidi or dirty south's association rosters?

I'm sure durty souf would be open to help you with it, shoot him a pm.

[chia51]

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Thanks man!! Great Work

Thanks

Are these up for ps3? Would someone want to collaborate and put these into a roster set like rashidi or dirty south's association rosters?

For you Ps3 guys I will be going back through all the teams in the game as I have made changes to what I have posted above. I will highlight each team in RED to note that they are up to date with what I have on my 360.

Wow...that would be top notch roster. Can't wait it.

Thanks, I have no time frame on how long it may take. But as I find out what does what I will keep this thread updated.

Chia, not sure if this is what you do, but the best way to test these is to start up a 1-on-1 Blacktop Matchup. I watched Jamal vs. Tony Allen and they both were on point, especially with their hesitation dribbles. Very good stuff man.

I have never gone into BT mode at all. All of my testing was done in game situations. But I will check BT mode out now though.

Can't seem to find these on 2k Share via PS3????

As stated a few times already, these rosters are 360 only on 2k share. But the numbers are posted, feel free to start adding them to your own roster.

I'm wanting to see these especially.

Will try and get these up today. I usually go for a slider set that plays as close as possible to the roster/tendency ratings.

I need to check out the coaching sliders and how they effect Association mode simming results and then find a balance between good sim numbers and gameplay.

[Colts18]

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Understandable, but I think 1-on-1 is a pure mode to test dribbling tendencies in since there aren't any outlying factors. (Help Defense, Shot Clock, Fatigue, etc).

Good stuff again man.

Are important are simmed stats to you? If they are I have a few ideas.

[chia51]

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Colts,

As for simmed stats, for me as long as they are relatively close I am fine with it. (ie. Nuggets averaging 104 instead of 107 or whatever)

[chia51]

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Update on WIP - 4/19 @ 1125am EST

Sent PM's to a few people to check out some things for me. Please send me a PM back if you can help or not, no biggie if not.

Have had the NBA statistics for a while now on an Excel spreadsheet. Finally got a chance to sit down and actually look at them. (Noticed Oraeons thread about statistics with the sliders and coaching sliders) so I took some of his knowledge/results and compared it with what I have been testing on my personal test files.

I have mad respect for Oraeons methods as he and I have done similar work with NCAA 11. So with that in hand, some of my coaching sliders were very similar to what he came out with.

I have therefore taken some of his coaching sliders and used them in my coaching sliders as his are based on statistics and mine although similar in numbers were based on my intuition of the teams and how the game plays.

Some theories that I am testing.

- Coaching tendencies override the Players tendencies.
- Gameplay sliders are an amplifier to the ratings and tendencies with + or - Neutral being 50 creates neither a + or - on ratings/tendencies
- Putting gamplay tendency sliders at 0 will default the players tendencies to whatever the coaching tendencies are. (for those tendencies, ie. Inside, Attack, 3pt etc.)
- If 50 is neutral (which I believe) than increasing it to 100 would double the rating, while decreasing it to 0 would reduce the rating to 0. (for example; Rose has an attack tendency of 99. If we went into the game play sliders and reduced it to 0 then it should change his attack tend. to 0 for game play, but since the coach has an attack tendency it would therefore default to that rating {or some variation of the players in combo with the coaches} or strictly the coaches attack tend.) Okay so now if we change the coaches to 0 and game play to 0, what happens? Well I can tell you that the player won't attack. He may penetrate or drive but won't attack the rack.

- There are tendencies that we assume would be the same, but they aren't. For example, Drive the lane, penetrate, attack. We assume that they are all one in the same, but they are vastly different to what happens on the court.

Drive the lane means how often the player will drive to the rack with the intentions of scoring.

Penetrate means how often the player will "drive" to the paint without going for a score.

Attack is how often the player will finish after the drive, not the penetration.

So if you look at the coaching slider for attack, you would now think that it will increase the chance of the player finishing at the rim. But no, the definition states "how often the player will drive" so if attack is raised it will increase how often the player goes to the rack, but the individuals attack finish ratings will determine what he does (either lay, dunk or pass out)

Pass Out tendency is shown with attack tendency in the player. So you would think that it would be out of 100, either 99 attack and 1 pass out or whatever combo equaling 100 but no. These tendencies work with each other but they are weighted tendencies. We can turn them into 100 based tendencies though if we apply the 100 method. But with them being weighted if you have Attack at 90 and pass at 10 then it will be the same as having them base 100. But what if they are both 90, well then the player gets an even shot at either an attack finish or pass out.

Enough thinking out loud for now, I will continue this tomorrow. I wish 2k would just let us know how all this ish works together.

[Colts18]

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I have ALWAYS thought that coach sliders (shooting sliders (plus drive)) should be at 50. I always was under the impression that they screw up tendencies.

[ONEFORALL]

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I tested some against the Lakers. I put 0 on all gameplay tendency sliders and also 0 for every gameplay tendecy for the Lakers and played a game against them. The game feels much better this way. Kobe plays like Kobe. I havent seen Kobe penetrating and dishing it out to Gasol for a jumper like in real life until now. Atleast Lakers played more like in real life. I have to now put all those tendencys to other teams and do more testing.

[JohnDoe8865]

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chia, I havent had a chance to test yet, but i will as soon as i can

[chia51]

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I have ALWAYS thought that coach sliders (shooting sliders (plus drive)) should be at 50. I always was under the impression that they screw up tendencies.

That's what I am trying to figure out right now. I am also under the impression that the gameplay tendency sliders should be at 50 otherwise they would be altering the players tendencies from what they show in the roster edit screen.

I tested some against the Lakers. I put 0 on all gameplay tendency sliders and also 0 for every gameplay tendecy for the Lakers and played a game against them. The game feels much better this way. Kobe plays like Kobe. I havent seen Kobe penetrating and dishing it out to Gasol for a jumper like in real life until now. Atleast Lakers played more like in real life. I have to now put all those tendencys to other teams and do more testing.

Could you let me know what gameplay sliders specifically you put at 0 and also did you mean the Lakers coaching sliders? I know you said all, but if you could list them it would help immensely.

chia, I havent had a chance to test yet, but i will as soon as i can

Thanks, let me know how it goes.