MyTeam Mobile Discussion

[BrandonT]

Re: MyTeam Mobile Discussion

What you're asking for is a real dynamic card game like Magic. It's not realistic to ask for a game like that on a mobile platform which is trying to avoid having a real head-to-head matchup because of how limiting it is.

I'd like it if, at least, where we can currently check previous games played, and see our relative team stats, if we could see cards played, supports used, scenarios that popped up, etc.

It'd be amazing to know the actual relationship between starters and reserves, other than "reserves matter", which is all we know now.

I don't think I'm asking for too much.

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[DCGMoo]

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I understand a 100 point difference isn't huge. My point is that, no matter the difference in points, or the reasoning for a win in a season, versus a loss, the fact that we still don't KNOW why they happen, and that we still can't effectively affect the outcomes of games, makes this change pointless.

The reality is that, even with improved matchmaking, 7 people DON'T have a chance. 7 people are just being made to feel like they do. In a game in which we cannot actually do things to affect the outcome (outside of guessing and hoping), there is no competition. You're fooling yourself to think otherwise. The player that had the best team is going to win. That's it.

Even in the example you gave, it doesn't change anything. So let's say you have 100 higher stats, but it's mostly because of one player. Guess what? Your team is worse than mine ( regardless of if your numbers are slightly higher), you'll lose almost every time, and there's pretty much nothing you can do about it. THAT'S what's not changing here, and as long as that's not changing, nothing else really matters.

Again, this change just serves to make people feel better, but the fact remains that there is little to nothing you can do, to actual affect the outcome of games. As long as that's the case, this isn't competitive at all.

But you're ignoring the opposite scenario.

In my example... if I face that team and a bunch of offense are pulled... correct, I lose. But if the matchups favor defense... then I win. My team isn't worse than yours. My offense is. But the offense limitations mean I'm strong elsewhere, while your 8 400 offense guys means your ball control and defense aren't as well balanced likely.

So having people more even still boils the game down tp luck of the draw. No argument. But before, the draw was irrelevant... a 700 point difference won't be consistently overcome in the playoffs. But that 100 point difference can be changed by support cards, player skills and luck... so yes, this will provide more chances to win for those 7 people. And thats being pessimistic and assuming only 7 people would have a chance.

I despise every time I read complaints that people "don't know how the game works." That FOSTERS competition. If we all knew the exact 5 best cards to put in to "beat" the system... it's not even a fricking game anymore. Its JUST collecting.

Figuring out the system YOURSELF is typically how a game is played. The lack of knowledge is WHY that 100 point difference provides competition. And people want NWGD to spell out the exact details of how games are played? How does that HELP competition?

[The_Josh]

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I'd like it if, at least, where we can currently check previous games played, and see our relative team stats, if we could see cards played, supports used, scenarios that popped up, etc.

It'd be amazing to know the actual relationship between starters and reserves, other than "reserves matter", which is all we know now.

I don't think I'm asking for too much.

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A little more in-depth box score would be kind of cool. Just from a stat nerd perspective.

[SamIam13]

Re: MyTeam Mobile Discussion

I'd like it if, at least, where we can currently check previous games played, and see our relative team stats, if we could see cards played, supports used, scenarios that popped up, etc.

It'd be amazing to know the actual relationship between starters and reserves, other than "reserves matter", which is all we know now.

I don't think I'm asking for too much.

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I still don't see what it does to help you. With all that information at hand, how does it truly affect your decision making? And if it did, like we realize we could add in some D to counteract theirs, all it does is openanother *NWGD pay attention* revenue stream (their perspective)/money grab(our perspective) requiring people to buy sub-ins beyond the 3 we get that favors the money spender rather than the F2P (which isn't necessarily wrong, I'm just stating the change).

[Disca92]

Re: MyTeam Mobile Discussion



Wtf?! Why I beat them and they are 2-0 in the season?

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[Twista209]

MyTeam Mobile Discussion



I am rather shocked at this opponents defense! I don't even know what cards they could have in their LU to be that high. I realize the other categories are low compared to mine but that defense is sick! I also just noticed their offense is higher too. Amazing!


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[BrandonT]

Re: MyTeam Mobile Discussion

I TOTALLY disagree with the premise that ignorance is somehow a good thing in a competitive game.

Ignorance is only good competitively, because it prevents anyone from actually being good. So yeah, in terms of competitive balance, it keeps people on the same level. That level sucks though. It's like watching kindergartners play football or something. Yeah... It's balanced, but only because everyone sucks, and the game itself suffers.

In any competitive game I've ever played, more information only improves the nature of the game. In FPS, understanding the way different guns work and being familiar with maps, respawn points, etc. makes competitions better. In fighting games, knowing spacing, frame data, and having a firm understanding of the physics and game system, is way better than just mashing buttons and hoping.

No competition is improved by hiding the rules and the nature of the competition itself, unless the competition itself wouldn't hold up to any level of scrutiny.

If that's the case, then the game isn't really worth playing anyway.

Which brings me back to my original point... This game is NOT a competitive game. It's a collecting game, under the guise of competition, and this matchmaking "fix" does nothing to change that, and just makes people wait longer to start seasons.

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[mfresh94]

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I am rather shocked at this opponents defense! I don't even know what cards they could have in their LU to be that high. I realize the other categories are low compared to mine but that defense is sick!


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WOW, you have some mega-teams in your season even though you still have best team all around.

[Twista209]

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WOW, you have some mega-teams in your season even though you still have best team all around.

Yeah I am a bit surprised but very happy with the changes. I am still racking my brain to figure out how I could ever get my defense that high.


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[mfresh94]

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Yeah I am a bit surprised but very happy with the changes. I am still racking my brain to figure out how I could ever get my defense that high.


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Did you look at player card stats to see how it is?

[McDiddy]

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Which brings me back to my original point... This game is NOT a competitive game. It's a collecting game, under the guise of competition, and this matchmaking "fix" does nothing to change that, and just makes people wait longer to start seasons.

Some people see this as a collection game, but MOST see it as a competition, see for yourself: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...mpetition.html

[BrandonT]

Re: MyTeam Mobile Discussion

You miss a potential few factors. If 7 people has a shot at winning that is more than 1. It might be luck at that point between those 7 but it is > 29 people with no chance. Second, the people who are more likely to be waiting are higher people. Lower people have more people around, get matched up faster and benefits them. If there is still a bottom 7 or whatever they probably waited a lot less compared to that top 7 and thus their state isn't any worse than before the update. Finally, you seem to overlook or ignore the possibility of a "weak" deck say 1600 across actually if the matchmaking does it's job gets a chance to be "king" which basically never happened before since there's always be 1 or more decks if not in total blowout range (5000+).will still lose to someone rocking a rare pro deck of 2000 across.

I am overlooking that, I'll admit.

I just don't think it's very important.

The time between when you start the game, and when you reach an all Rare Pro lineup is minor. If you can't win a season for that 2-3 week period, I'm not gonna cry for you.

It's certainly not a bad thing that they may be able to win seasons now though, so I'll grant you that.

[Anchen]

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Yeah I am a bit surprised but very happy with the changes. I am still racking my brain to figure out how I could ever get my defense that high.


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Multiple bill russells, Shawn kemp, and Dwight Howard's probably could do it. Although his specific stats I'm looking for some power forward or maybe center with high d and bad mental game. We don't have stats for a legendary like that atm but it probably exists.

[United]

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Yeah I am a bit surprised but very happy with the changes. I am still racking my brain to figure out how I could ever get my defense that high.


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Lol, there could be a lot of Bill Russell Pros on that team...

[SamIam13]

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I TOTALLY disagree with the premise that ignorance is somehow a good thing in a competitive game.

Ignorance is only good competitively, because it prevents anyone from actually being good. So yeah, in terms of competitive balance, it keeps people on the same level. That level sucks though. It's like watching kindergartners play football or something. Yeah... It's balanced, but only because everyone sucks, and the game itself suffers.

In any competitive game I've ever played, more information only improves the nature of the game. In FPS, understanding the way different guns work and being familiar with maps, respawn points, etc. makes competitions better. In fighting games, knowing spacing, frame data, and having a firm understanding of the physics and game system, is way better than just mashing buttons and hoping.

No competition is improved by hiding the rules and the nature of the competition itself, unless the competition itself wouldn't hold up to any level of scrutiny.

If that's the case, then the game isn't really worth playing anyway.

Which brings me back to my original point... This game is NOT a competitive game. It's a collecting game, under the guise of competition, and this matchmaking "fix" does nothing to change that, and just makes people wait longer to start seasons.

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Very few companies actually promote the underpinnings of their game. Sure FPS's give info about recoil, dmg, rof, but they never really discuss how much dmg and in what body part constitutes a OHK. That information is amost always discovered by meticulous players.

And I don't understand this concept of "guise of competition." This game is about what you want it to be. To many it's a card collection game. To many it's a competitive game. The first rivals event had Kobe who was worse than a Legendary Pro. Still, Twista worked his tush off to collect a limited edition card. That card didn't crack his LU, but I would think he appreciates having it.

I understand the poll shows that most people on this forum like the competitive, but you have to think that there is already a bias that competitive people would seek out a forum about how to be better. I don't necessarily know why a person who is solely a card collector would search out a forum. Maybe to see other cards that they don't have, but I'm still not so sure they would go around posting and voting.