Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

[Souf sia 4 lia]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

This is a bait and switch. When I started the season the rewards were stated 3 stars for the championship. As I have went undefeated in the last 3 seasons.

Now you're going to change my rewards other than the original conditions without a label of "Rewards are subject to change"?

How is this not a bait and switch?

I will have no desire to play seasons for 400 credits, when I play $400 USA during a RC.

Hopefully you and the rest of the other top tier players vote with your wallet. It will definitely change things.


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[kclutch24]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

I don't mind the feedback and don't take it personally. I just want you to understand some of the thought process in the changes so you see why we did what we did.


I disagree that the values stated for cards isn't speculative. It absolutely is because for cards to become Credits they have to sell. That's a big piece you're overlooking. A big complaint during the Beta was that many cards did not sell, so saying your Star cards are worth x Credits just isn't true. Where as, Credits won in Season games now are definitive and something that is guaranteed. It is also something free players have an opportunity to gain Credits without using the Daily VC Bonus. The added benefit of the Credits as a Season reward is that it will infuse Credits into the AH economy allowing more cards to sell. A win for players on both ends.


I get on the surface it looks like a huge nerf to Season rewards, but in the long run I think players will come to appreciate getting guaranteed Credits for winning Seasons (or placing in the top 4).

What about the 30% tax?

"credits won in season games now are definitive". No they are not. You have to win the damn season to get credits. And by long run, do you mean 10 seasons = 40 days = 4000 credits. And that isn't even guaranteed since you have to win the season. 4000 credits can't even get you a single Star from AH.

From 3 Star cards (potentially 15000 credits minus tax) to 1 Star card + 400 credits...scrap the credits and just keep the rewards as is.

[VizzyXV]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

Also why can we only list 5 cards on AH when you said that was only for the Beta?

[Poetic]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

Please reconsider. I don't mind if my Bad star Cards don't sell. You lowered the minimum so that actually solved the problem already.

And suggesting that I might appreciate this more over time. You get the benefit of the doubt but that is just insulting to everyone who can use a calculator. The Numbers on this won't change over time. If I win three seasons. That gives me 1200 Credits. If only one of the nerved six star cards would have Sold for 5000 Credits. Well. You can do the maths as can we.



MVP Magic Johnson

[ActionJack]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

WE WOULD HAVE SOLD STAR CARDS FOR 5000 CREDITS BUT INSTEAD YOU GIVE US 400 CREDITS AND MINUS 2 STAR CARDS...I GIVE UP WITH THIS COMPANY.

NWGD is right to say that Stars are NOT worth 5000. It is speculative, because they very well could not sell.. They also very well could sell for more than 5000 also.

So 5000 isn't the right number necessarily... but 400 isn't even remotely close to correct. And for 2!

So the real worth of a Star card, according to CD is 200 credits! Except for when they're selling one, in which case it's 5000 credits for a small chance at one...

I don't have AH data in front of me obviously. But if we were to remove the "speculative" nature of all this, and just average out what every Star that went to market sold for during the AH, including ALL the 0's for unsold cards, we all know the number doesn't come to 200.

I'd guess it's around 3000 or so, but it could be higher or lower.. It's DEFINITELY not 200.

So, as seems to be a usual act here, NWGD says something truthy, but not truthful. It's TOTALLY correct to call 5000 a speculative value for Star cards, but if you're gonna use that logic, you have to follow it to completion. It's beyond disingenuous to call 5000 speculative, then site 200 as proper. It implies that 200 credits IS the value, when taking sales into account. We all know that's nonsense.

[sraven]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

Wow i was so hyped for this Update! But These rewards are sad sad sad.... I can now stay in leg season and get 1 star , bot Giving a **** about 400 credtis! ****ting in the new Players ...

[djase]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

[JPJames]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

NWGD is right to say that Stars are NOT worth 5000. It is speculative, because they very well could not sell.. They also very well could sell for more than 5000 also.

So 5000 isn't the right number necessarily... but 400 isn't even remotely close to correct. And for 2!

So the real worth of a Star card, according to CD is 200 credits! Except for when they're selling one, in which case it's 5000 credits for a small chance at one...

I don't have AH data in front of me obviously. But if we were to remove the "speculative" nature of all this, and just average out what every Star that went to market sold for during the AH, including ALL the 0's for unsold cards, we all know the number doesn't come to 200.

I'd guess it's around 3000 or so, but it could be higher or lower.. It's DEFINITELY not 200.

So, as seems to be a usual act here, NWGD says something truthy, but not truthful. It's TOTALLY correct to call 5000 a speculative value for Star cards, but if you're gonna use that logic, you have to follow it to completion. It's beyond disingenuous to call 5000 speculative, then site 200 as proper. It implies that 200 credits IS the value, when taking sales into account. We all know that's nonsense.

No no no. THEY put the price of Star cards at 5000, they valued packs at 5000.... THEY put the prices of these cards at where they are. THEY set the minimums in AH.

[SlightlySnaked]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

I don't mind the feedback and don't take it personally. I just want you to understand some of the thought process in the changes so you see why we did what we did.


I disagree that the values stated for cards isn't speculative. It absolutely is because for cards to become Credits they have to sell. That's a big piece you're overlooking. A big complaint during the Beta was that many cards did not sell, so saying your Star cards are worth x Credits just isn't true. Where as, Credits won in Season games now are definitive and something that is guaranteed. It is also something free players have an opportunity to gain Credits without using the Daily VC Bonus. The added benefit of the Credits as a Season reward is that it will infuse Credits into the AH economy allowing more cards to sell. A win for players on both ends.


I get on the surface it looks like a huge nerf to Season rewards, but in the long run I think players will come to appreciate getting guaranteed Credits for winning Seasons (or placing in the top 4).

So in the beta, how many Star Cards sold for less than 400 credits. Speculative or not, how stupid do you think we all are to ever get on board with 400 Credits+1 Star>3 Stars?

You keep throwing around the word "Guaranteed" like it means something. I could spend Five dollars and guarantee myself 600 credits. $5 will not get me what I could have gotten before.

What is the value of 400 credits? Geez, what's the value of 40,000 credits? I can get new flashing cards that bounce around that will be outdated in a month.

In the end, maybe this will be a good thing. Never really sure what drew me to thing tap tap taparoo game anyhow, aside from enjoying the community banter. Kind of taking a step back and seeing this game for what it is: a psychological brain wash to suck the money out of my bank account.

-Slightly Sickened

[ActionJack]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

No no no. THEY put the price of Star cards at 5000, they valued packs at 5000.... THEY put the prices of these cards at where they are. THEY set the minimums in AH.

Yeah... that logic is wrong. Sorry.

You're still plenty right to be upset by this.. just that piece right there is just logically false.

[warras007]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

I don't mind the feedback and don't take it personally. I just want you to understand some of the thought process in the changes so you see why we did what we did.


I disagree that the values stated for cards isn't speculative. It absolutely is because for cards to become Credits they have to sell. That's a big piece you're overlooking. A big complaint during the Beta was that many cards did not sell, so saying your Star cards are worth x Credits just isn't true. Where as, Credits won in Season games now are definitive and something that is guaranteed. It is also something free players have an opportunity to gain Credits without using the Daily VC Bonus. The added benefit of the Credits as a Season reward is that it will infuse Credits into the AH economy allowing more cards to sell. A win for players on both ends.


I get on the surface it looks like a huge nerf to Season rewards, but in the long run I think players will come to appreciate getting guaranteed Credits for winning Seasons (or placing in the top 4).

I doubt any1 wants 400 credits at the expense of 2 star cards. How in the world did u assume 400 credits justify taking away 2 star cards. I would understand it if it was a free market but it's not with all the restrictions. I know 3 stars are bit generous. However 2 stars cards would be perfect jus like in supercard. Also 400 credits are not much, no1 is going to be buying stars off AH w/ 400 credits. In the end we use credits to buy cards, but taking away cards and giving fraction of credits don't help sell more cards on AH or whatever u trying to say to justify this.

Just ruined the hype and excitement of a great update...smh


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[Poetic]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

Ok guys. Where will we go. Is there another nba card game?



MVP Magic Johnson

[Aristocrat1]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

Im happy with the update. 9 good things out of 10. Sure its alot worse to do seasons but hey we got new game modes. No need to do it

[SmartForce]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

Would you guys like me to link to BBB and FTC complaint forms?

You'll have to look up your own state consumer advocacy agencies and your state Attorney General.

Please only fill these forms out if you are currently IN a season and if you have actually spent money. Otherwise you don't actually have the grounds to complain.

I have a feeling enough of us can make a legitimate claim of illegal Bait and Switch to make life a bit uncomfortable for the "decision makers" who are behind this.

If you've spent a significant amount of money (Looking at you, top end players), you may want to consider filling a small claims court case. The cost won't be much to you, and you will almost certainly win and be awarded a judgment equal to what you've spent, perhaps with punitive damages depending on your state.

The reason you will almost certainly win is because it will cost CD/2K more money to send a lawyer to defend the case than to just allow you to win by default. You'll have to spend some time badgering them to pay the judgment, but if they drag their feet long enough, you could end up with grounds to sue asking the court to hit them with a large punitive judgment for refusal to pay.

If you've spent significant money on this, you DO have recourse. The law is on your side (at least, for those of us in the U.S.).

[Souf sia 4 lia]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

You introduced wacky rules to govern the AH namely insane minimums. This is why cards didn't sell. Had you done it properly and let the market dictate itself, there never would have been any complaining. Now to clear up your greedy mistakes, you backdoor it with another insane, greedy decision to nerf season rewards. Do you honestly think your buying customers are that stupid and don't see this?

Serious question


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