Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

[Souf sia 4 lia]

Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

The only way 400 credits works is if you drastically reduce the prices on card packs and we all know that isn't happening.

In my humble opinion, it looks like CDs greed has killed this game.


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[NWGameDad]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

Those results are not speculative. You can assume those minimums because those are the MINIMUMS. I am just about to finish my star season and I'm going to now get 2 Stars, and 400 credits because I was unlucky enough to end an hour before this was released?

You should have at least tiered credits based upon the minimum price of the card for the season tier you are in. One Star + the minimum for that card might be acceptable. You gave free-players a way to get cash, sure...but a well-thought out way? No.

I know you are probably just sensitive to the critiques by users here because you helped create this game...but no offense, if you don't listen to customer feedback, then you are going to keep releasing crappy products and updates.

That being said, thank you for the player lock feature, enhancement feature, etc...but anything involving credits/money in this game should involve better decision making on CD's part to maximize profit for you and enjoyment for us (and that's ultimately where profit will come from).

I don't mind the feedback and don't take it personally. I just want you to understand some of the thought process in the changes so you see why we did what we did.


I disagree that the values stated for cards isn't speculative. It absolutely is because for cards to become Credits they have to sell. That's a big piece you're overlooking. A big complaint during the Beta was that many cards did not sell, so saying your Star cards are worth x Credits just isn't true. Where as, Credits won in Season games now are definitive and something that is guaranteed. It is also something free players have an opportunity to gain Credits without using the Daily VC Bonus. The added benefit of the Credits as a Season reward is that it will infuse Credits into the AH economy allowing more cards to sell. A win for players on both ends.


I get on the surface it looks like a huge nerf to Season rewards, but in the long run I think players will come to appreciate getting guaranteed Credits for winning Seasons (or placing in the top 4).

[yantelope]

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I too am at a loss regarding the season nerfing. Climbing the tiers is going to take more time than shaving a wookie.

[djase]

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[JPJames]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

No, they will win a Star Card + 400 Credits.

WHAT THE ACTUAL ****... FROM 3 STAR CARDS TO 1 AND 400 CRAPPY CREDITS BASICALLY ONE STAR CARD AND A SUPER RARE FOR YOUR 4 DAY LONG SEASON.. SORRY FOR THE WAIT.

[ActionJack]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

You'd think NW would want to clarify the reward reductions, instead he made a vague statement, made it worse by equating 400 credits with the value of a star card and then ran away.

Well nwgd running from tough questions isn't anything new. He's been ducking card stat, and season inconsistency questions for months now.

That being said, again, I do agree with him in that this is what people asked for.

CD SHOULD be smart enough to not give people what they ask for though if it doesn't make any sense. To all the people begging for free credits, I'd have just told them "no... we give away more than enough free credits" which is the absolute truth, and what I was trying to relay in all those begging/whining threads that popped up around AH beta.

This is a HUGE mistake from CD. While it's all kind of loose, we ALL play this game to win seasons. There is no other mode in the game where there's a tangible benefit for improving your lineups. If CD takes away the ONE reason to care about improving your lineup, the whole house of cards collapses.

Why spend money on Hot Streaks, packs, AH or "Game Night" when the sole motivation for improving your deck is now dashed? One Star and 400 credits really is a joke.

[Reaper16]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

I get on the surface it looks like a huge nerf to Season rewards, but in the long run I think players will come to appreciate getting guaranteed Credits for winning Seasons (or placing in the top 4).

Can you tell us the FULL season rewards structure?

[JPJames]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

Those card values are all speculative though. 400 Credits is 400 Credits. Credits have a flexibility that cards simply do not. Players wanted more ways to win free Credits, so we gave it to you.

WE WOULD HAVE SOLD STAR CARDS FOR 5000 CREDITS BUT INSTEAD YOU GIVE US 400 CREDITS AND MINUS 2 STAR CARDS...I GIVE UP WITH THIS COMPANY.

[alirezzak]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

I don't mind the feedback and don't take it personally. I just want you to understand some of the thought process in the changes so you see why we did what we did.


I disagree that the values stated for cards isn't speculative. It absolutely is because for cards to become Credits they have to sell. That's a big piece you're overlooking. A big complaint during the Beta was that many cards did not sell, so saying your Star cards are worth x Credits just isn't true. Where as, Credits won in Season games now are definitive and something that is guaranteed. It is also something free players have an opportunity to gain Credits without using the Daily VC Bonus. The added benefit of the Credits as a Season reward is that it will infuse Credits into the AH economy allowing more cards to sell. A win for players on both ends.


I get on the surface it looks like a huge nerf to Season rewards, but in the long run I think players will come to appreciate getting guaranteed Credits for winning Seasons (or placing in the top 4).

If you think that way,don't put minimums for all cards?

[apos1914]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

I don't mind the feedback and don't take it personally. I just want you to understand some of the thought process in the changes so you see why we did what we did.


I disagree that the values stated for cards isn't speculative. It absolutely is because for cards to become Credits they have to sell. That's a big piece you're overlooking. A big complaint during the Beta was that many cards did not sell, so saying your Star cards are worth x Credits just isn't true. Where as, Credits won in Season games now are definitive and something that is guaranteed. It is also something free players have an opportunity to gain Credits without using the Daily VC Bonus. The added benefit of the Credits as a Season reward is that it will infuse Credits into the AH economy allowing more cards to sell. A win for players on both ends.


I get on the surface it looks like a huge nerf to Season rewards, but in the long run I think players will come to appreciate getting guaranteed Credits for winning Seasons (or placing in the top 4).

So if i want to get a specific star card to make a pro, i need to win 13 Star seasons (400x13=5200), and go buy him in AH... With the previous rewards, in 13 seasons i would get 30-39 Stars... The chances to get that Star dupe would be much much greater....

[SmartForce]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

I don't mind the feedback and don't take it personally. I just want you to understand some of the thought process in the changes so you see why we did what we did.


I disagree that the values stated for cards isn't speculative. It absolutely is because for cards to become Credits they have to sell. That's a big piece you're overlooking. A big complaint during the Beta was that many cards did not sell, so saying your Star cards are worth x Credits just isn't true. Where as, Credits won in Season games now are definitive and something that is guaranteed. It is also something free players have an opportunity to gain Credits without using the Daily VC Bonus. The added benefit of the Credits as a Season reward is that it will infuse Credits into the AH economy allowing more cards to sell. A win for players on both ends.


I get on the surface it looks like a huge nerf to Season rewards, but in the long run I think players will come to appreciate getting guaranteed Credits for winning Seasons (or placing in the top 4).

This isn't even below average PR speak. If I want a star card, it will cost me 6,500 credits to buy the pack which guarantees me a star card. Therefore, star cards have a very high value/cost.

Taking away 2 star cards (13,000 credits) and replacing it with 400 credits (A net loss of 12,600 credits in value) and calling that an improvement is literally crazy.

You also are guilty of bait and switch for all of us with ongoing seasons who spent real money on them. It IS illegal and I encourage everyone to copy my lead and fill out the appropriate consumer advocacy forms.

What you just did is gonna cost your legal department far more money than your greedy decision makers expect to gain from it, assuming even a small portion of the dedicated playerbase takes simple five minute actions to hold you accountable.

[vauux]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

Congrats on killing the game. I am thankful I haven't paid a single cent on this game though, so I got that going for me.

[ocwng]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

I don't mind the feedback and don't take it personally. I just want you to understand some of the thought process in the changes so you see why we did what we did.


I disagree that the values stated for cards isn't speculative. It absolutely is because for cards to become Credits they have to sell. That's a big piece you're overlooking. A big complaint during the Beta was that many cards did not sell, so saying your Star cards are worth x Credits just isn't true. Where as, Credits won in Season games now are definitive and something that is guaranteed. It is also something free players have an opportunity to gain Credits without using the Daily VC Bonus. The added benefit of the Credits as a Season reward is that it will infuse Credits into the AH economy allowing more cards to sell. A win for players on both ends.


I get on the surface it looks like a huge nerf to Season rewards, but in the long run I think players will come to appreciate getting guaranteed Credits for winning Seasons (or placing in the top 4).

The problem of cards not selling was not the cards themselves but with the market being flooded with pro cards having the same listing price as with regular cards. And 400 credits can't buy you an ultra card. What use will it have for star level players where the minimum prices are 5000 and above. You will need to win 13 seasons to afford 1 star card. In which the same time with our current rewards could have gotten 26. This is a Nerf to the rewards plan and simple.

[Aristocrat1]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

What he means is. Less cards won = less star cards in market = higher prices more bidding. Ppl get their stuff sold for more.

[SlightlySnaked]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

I appreciate the feedback in the thread, and the questions during the Q&A last week.


A few clarifications:


1. I was incorrect in saying top 3 get Credits from Seasons. I was thinking about it in that way just because I was laying out the rewards as 1, 2, 3, but the 3rd tier of rewards is indeed given to both players from either side of the bracket that lose in the Semi-Finals. That means both will earn the Credits reward for "3rd place". So 4 people from each Season will earn Credits.


2. The amount of Credits you can win depends on the Season tier you're playing in. The higher the tier the more Credits you can win.


3. I didn't mention this since it wasn't directly asked, but one of the changes we're making in the AH is that single card minimum bids are being lowered for most tiers. As I mentioned in the Q&A, singles and Pros now have different minimums.

Hmm, any other clarifications you might have left out nine days ago? Anything at all? Because all the stuff in the Q and A looked great! Anything left to say before the update goes global...

-Snake

BTW: Pretending to be a Ghost isn't making any of us "Players" feel any better.