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    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
    • Feb 2003
    • 39337

    #61
    Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

    Originally posted by Behindshadows2
    Again you assume...if that is the case...why do I own every EA game up til the 2002's from the Sega Genesis, SNES to PS2.
    That's a good question. You're apart of the same "flock" you hate.

    Originally posted by Behindshadows2
    So don't give me that b.s that I'm hating EA! I'm just stating that it is time to stop defending their methods. And I'm not a 2k Fan boy...but you are just swinging on EA's n.....
    And your childish stupidity ensues.

    Originally posted by Behindshadows2
    They are not evolving, they are only pulling the wool over your eyes and throwing shiny stones to get your attention.....Other companies. 989's MLB and The 2k series give you Diamond wrapped in regular boxes.....
    Which I clearly mentioned previously, with the "ignore the label" comment, something you find tremendously difficult.

    Originally posted by Behindshadows2
    You remind me of the guy in the last crusade, grabbing the shiniest cup thinking it was the holy grail...compared to Mr. Jones picking up the dullest cup on the mantle....and tasting the true blood of existence....EA is that shiny cup and 2k is that dull cup that gives you the true experience at the game....
    Wow... pass some of that stuff this way.

    Originally posted by Behindshadows2
    I'm done my point will never be made....
    The point that others shouldn't buy what they enjoy? 'Bout time.
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      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
      • Feb 2003
      • 39337

      #62
      Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

      Originally posted by BoLo
      ...
      That comparison was completely uncalled for. You went as far off the deep end as shadowboy here, if not, further.
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      • Behindshadows
        CEO - BSG Network
        • Nov 2004
        • 8055

        #63
        Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

        Originally posted by KDRE
        Now this thread is going to far.

        Sorry I edited my post....

        Originally posted by BoLo
        You know who you remind me of from the last crusade? A Nazi, and 2K is your Hitler.
        And its insulting to be called a Nazi...Racist comment which I don't respect at all. But its not saying the 2k is God or EA is the Devil...in comparison...I was saying the flash is attention grasping and thats what EA offers. When 2ksports sticks to basics and delivers a more polished and yet more evolving product every year. It took a while for me to go that direction. But beginning with the dreamcast and purchasing the 2k series from there on. I bought both products every year up til 2002! Like I stated I only buy NCAA because its my only choice every year. I buy the MLB and Major League ala World Series 's every year. Again instead of assuming I'm jumping on a 2k wagon...I'm just giving props to where they are due...


        Question of this thread is this...Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

        Most Truthful Answer that Fans will hate to admit: Because EA would rather buy up the Rights, than to hire better artist that will improve their games. Also because as long as they are recieving your dollars anyways. No need to change what isn't preventing them from getting richer.....

        The End.....A 29 year old, former EA Fan. Turned To what so far has yet to let me down. Visual Concepts and 2ksports.
        Last edited by Behindshadows; 08-02-2005, 07:45 PM.

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        • Pared
          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
          • Feb 2003
          • 39337

          #64
          Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

          Originally posted by Behindshadows2
          When 2ksports ... delivers a more polished ... product every year.


          You forgot bug-filled...

          Aye... this thread is too funny, instead of focusing on the fact that Live's graphics have declined, it has become a one vs. all attempt at preaching in favor of "the good guys who care."

          That's all the thread was about: graphics. A shame it had to resort to someone using the word "fanboy," followed by a sermon and reflection of Indiana Jones.
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          • BoLo
            Rookie
            • Dec 2003
            • 226

            #65
            Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

            Originally posted by Pared
            That comparison was completely uncalled for. You went as far off the deep end as shadowboy here, if not, further.
            Pared I have a lot of respect for you and all that you do. I understand that and I take full reponsibility for what I said, however I believe it was taken out of context. I was not calling the man a nazi or trying to compare him to one, I just took the analogy that he used about you I believe and used the same formula but with a different spin on it to show him how ridiculous his statement sounded. If this offened anybody I apologize, however it was just an analogy and that's all it was. One stupid analogy deserves another. That's my final take on the matter, it was not ment to be literal, but if it was taken literally I'm sorry.

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            • Pared
              Legen - WAIT FOR IT
              • Feb 2003
              • 39337

              #66
              Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

              Originally posted by BoLo
              Pared I have a lot of respect for you and all that you do. I understand that and I take full reponsibility for what I said, however I believe it was taken out of context. I was not calling the man a nazi or trying to compare him to one, I just took the analogy that he used about you I believe and used the same formula but with a different spin on it to show him how ridiculous his statement sounded. If this offened anybody I apologize, however it was just an analogy and that's all it was. One stupid analogy deserves another. That's my final take on the matter, it was not ment to be literal, but if it was taken literally I'm sorry.

              That's my word son! I'm out!
              IMO, it's better to just point out how wrong the comparison is than by going over the top using a controversial subject matter.

              But I'm sure after this comment it's understood no harm was intended. Still, just be careful with topics such as that...
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                Johnny Canuck
                • Dec 2004
                • 1279

                #67
                Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

                Originally posted by Behindshadows2
                The End.....A 29 year old, former EA Fan. Turned To what so far has yet to let me down. Visual Concepts and 2ksports.

                29........Sad, very sad.

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                • Playmakers
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 15418

                  #68
                  Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

                  Originally posted by Pared
                  Oh damn...

                  Anyway, yeah, the graphics in '05 looked GREAT in the ASW, but on the court were terrible. This mostly was b/c of the horrible camera angles. While '05 was clearly the better game, '04's graphics were a LOT smoother.

                  To add insult to injury, my lil' brother bought '03 used a while back... and the player personalization was even BETTER than both of them. Stockton with high shorts, and so on...

                  It's almost as if EA just decided to make the players shine and call it improved graphics... UGH.

                  The '06 shots don't look great either, at this point....

                  You know I would have to say it's a personal opinion. Because I didn't think the graphics were great last year but they weren't bad either. I loved Live 05 and thought it played very good basketball overall once I finished adjusting and editing things.

                  As for 06 the NEXT GEN models look damn good to me. But then that's my opinion just like you had your opinion. The Gameplay is the #1 priority to me and that's what most guy's seem to take for granted. But hey you can top notch graphics and if the gameplay sucks then all you have is Eye Candy running around on the court.
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                  • Behindshadows
                    CEO - BSG Network
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 8055

                    #69
                    Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

                    Originally posted by Pared


                    You forgot bug-filled...

                    Aye... this thread is too funny, instead of focusing on the fact that Live's graphics have declined, it has become a one vs. all attempt at preaching in favor of "the good guys who care."

                    That's all the thread was about: graphics. A shame it had to resort to someone using the word "fanboy," followed by a sermon and reflection of Indiana Jones.
                    Ok well lets talk about bugs when it comes to live. The fact that even with slider adjustments, the games offensive rebounding is non-existent. The cpu A.I. Is stupid and completely off balance. The game has a freezing issue. Live is a game it has bugs. NBA 2k5 is a game it has bugs, but amazing how Visual Concepts released a patch on XBOX live that fixed their bugs. I didn't see EA Sports take the same effort to do so....Again they don't care they got their money. Every year these games come out almost back to back or on the same day.....and Every year its a rivalry...Most people who buy live have the same excuse on why they don't buy 2k5. They talk about gameplay. But when you ask them did they adjust the sliders, they look at you with blank silence. This year, nobody even knew about the sliders or the patch. People really need to stop defending EA, they are rich because of the ignorance that lies around this world. And because of the lack of change by their consumers. No one is complaining or showing them that their graphics are an issue.

                    Someone mentioned that their Next Gen graphics were nice. To be honest no they weren't. They were nice compared to current live graphics. But even NBA 2k6 graphics have more detail, EA just had that nice *** sweat effect which was impressive on the close up videos. But far away the player models were still skinny and weak looking, everyone was zombie and doll faced. The stadiums were terrible for 360 graphics and did anyone notice when the shot went it...the net didn't move and the ball just stuck in the goal. Unless you want EA to give you another 5 years of Gimmicks and false improvements you really need to stop defending them and start voicing complaints and constructive criticism.... I apologize if you feel that I'm hating on them, but honestly I just want them to improve. I'm use to having multiple b-ball games every year. But for the last 4 I've only had one....Minus the disappearance of ID, which are now working as a team with VC. EA games and graphics will never truly show any true potential or graphical advancements, because they don't feel they need to. Gameplay this and gameplay that...if the game is looking outdated its a turn off to play. Now I'm sure alot of you hate to admit it....but aren't you getting tired of 7 feet centers being the same height and weight as 6 feet guards with big bobble head and mis-preportioned body's.

                    I would really like to enjoy Live games again....but until they do more as a overall game, that means improving the game to a more realistic aspect. Then I will never like live again or give it props. I'm sorry Freestyle, ASW and none of that crap means anything without better and more realistic graphics.

                    Originally posted by whatdog
                    29........Sad, very sad.
                    What is sad is I'm 29 and speak my mind, and you are how ever old and had no point but to write.....Sad very sad....if things turn into a heated debate on here I'm fine with that. But as least my voice is heard because it strikes nerves.....

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                    • Pared
                      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 39337

                      #70
                      Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

                      Originally posted by Behindshadows2
                      Ok well lets talk about bugs when it comes to live. The fact that even with slider adjustments, the games offensive rebounding is non-existent. The cpu A.I. Is stupid and completely off balance. The game has a freezing issue. Live is a game it has bugs.
                      Hey, if you're going to talk about issues from a few years ago, why not go back to earlier consoles!? Gimme a break.

                      You want to talk about issues with Live? How about the lack of authentic team play styles? How about a franchise with stat problems? At least have some clue what you're talking about if you're going to talk about last year's iterations.

                      Originally posted by Behindshadows2
                      NBA 2k5 is a game it has bugs, but amazing how Visual Concepts released a patch on XBOX live that fixed their bugs. I didn't see EA Sports take the same effort to do so....
                      Amazing. Granted, 2k HAS utilized XBL to patch bugs plenty of times... but does that make it anymore right that they release games that way? You sit there and rip on EA Sports as a whole, yet you ignore how there was a PC patch for MVP baseball last year to address the lefty issue, and the year before EA Sports went as far as to ship new copies of the XBox Madden to anyone that wanted it to address the draft class omission? Stop being so one sided.

                      As for the rest of your post... good lord, you act as if you really want EA to do better... THEN STOP BUYING THEIR GAMES. WHINING ON A MESSAGE BOARD IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Hit 'em where it hurts, Che.

                      As Fossen put it earlier today to someone doing the same exact thing you're doing in response to Madden, "if they haven't changed due to user feedback on message boards up to this point, why even think they will now?"
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                      • Behindshadows
                        CEO - BSG Network
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 8055

                        #71
                        Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

                        Originally posted by Pared
                        Hey, if you're going to talk about issues from a few years ago, why not go back to earlier consoles!? Gimme a break.

                        You want to talk about issues with Live? How about the lack of authentic team play styles? How about a franchise with stat problems? At least have some clue what you're talking about if you're going to talk about last year's iterations.



                        Amazing. Granted, 2k HAS utilized XBL to patch bugs plenty of times... but does that make it anymore right that they release games that way? You sit there and rip on EA Sports as a whole, yet you ignore how there was a PC patch for MVP baseball last year to address the lefty issue, and the year before EA Sports went as far as to ship new copies of the XBox Madden to anyone that wanted it to address the draft class omission? Stop being so one sided.

                        As for the rest of your post... good lord, you act as if you really want EA to do better... THEN STOP BUYING THEIR GAMES. WHINING ON A MESSAGE BOARD IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Hit 'em where it hurts, Che.

                        As Fossen put it earlier today to someone doing the same exact thing you're doing in response to Madden, "if they haven't changed due to user feedback on message boards up to this point, why even think they will now?"
                        And the ignorance continues to flow from your mouth with constant remarks at me.....EA Sports is a Joke when it comes to Live and Madden....Whooptie doo..they re-shipped Madden...yeah because it was completely unplayable.....Live has issues and the Live I'm referring too is Live 2005 moron. So talk what you know. Live has issues but its still playable...so the minor flaws it had were not fixed....Next up MVP on CPU who cares.....we are talking consoles not PC...I can care less about MVP on pc......Again I bought NCAA Football 2006. As stated ...its fun against a friend and weak as hell as solo play. I'm not whining I'm stating facts...obviously the only immature person about the whole discussion is you, which your constant smartazz remarks, which are uncall for...if you don't like what I'm saying the shut up and don't comment. Damn, like I said earlier you are truly on EA's nutts and too blind to see, that all I'm doing is stating facts and constructive criticizm in which you are trying to interpret into more than what it is..

                        Again I'm talking about improving Graphics and you continue to dawn back on this gameplay issue......Talk about Graphics, GRAPHICS when we talk about GRAPHICS AND THE LACK OF IMPROVING GRAPHICS.....LIVE SUCKS.......
                        Last edited by Behindshadows; 08-02-2005, 08:45 PM.

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                        • Pared
                          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 39337

                          #72
                          Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

                          Originally posted by Behindshadows2
                          Blah blah blah... Yadda yadda yadda....
                          1. Keep up the insults and you won't make it to a year here on the boards. Your comments may seem cute on the street, but this ain't the street. (You're 29?) Personal insults are against the TOS. READ it some time.

                          2. Your "issues" may have held water in 2004. I've already posted complaints about 2005. You're obviously a year behind in the times. Want another one that I just thought of? People complained that the ability to fastbreak in '05 was "broken." I'm sure you've READ that. I've posted a bit more on issues that hit close to home on '05. Again, you're off. (no pun intended)

                          3. Many people here agree Live's graphics aren't cutting it in '06. In fact, if you READ the thread, you'd see me claiming '03 had better graphics than most think, and the series took a turn downhill from there. I continue to "dawn back on this gameplay issue?" Are you seriously reading what is being written? You're making comments on EA Sports as a whole, yapping on about Indiana Jones and such... and I'm going back on this gameplay issue?

                          Read through the thread again. It just might help.
                          Last edited by Pared; 08-02-2005, 09:03 PM.
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                          • BoLo
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                            • Dec 2003
                            • 226

                            #73
                            Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

                            Originally posted by Playmakers
                            You know I would have to say it's a personal opinion. Because I didn't think the graphics were great last year but they weren't bad either. I loved Live 05 and thought it played very good basketball overall once I finished adjusting and editing things.

                            As for 06 the NEXT GEN models look damn good to me. But then that's my opinion just like you had your opinion. The Gameplay is the #1 priority to me and that's what most guy's seem to take for granted. But hey you can top notch graphics and if the gameplay sucks then all you have is Eye Candy running around on the court.
                            Exactly! Very well put, couldn't have said it better myself.
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                            • mjb2124
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                              • Aug 2002
                              • 13649

                              #74
                              Re: Why can't EA make Live games Look Realistic?

                              Sorry guys, this one has gotten out of hand.

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